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Even if he is Australian, it's a bit rich to assume he's unfamiliar with the New Yorker
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Ras Het posted:Even if he is Australian, it's a bit rich to assume he's unfamiliar with the New Yorker Chirst, what an rear end in a top hat!
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Tunicate posted:Chirst, what an rear end in a top hat!
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Tunicate posted:Chirst, what an rear end in a top hat! the australian new yorker is the same way except it's just a bunch of bill leak cartoons with this caption e: or this one HEY GAIL posted:SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT
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HEY GAIL posted:Gout Patrol, i think by your avatar that you are Australian--New Yorker is an American magazine that's full of great articles like that, and about half of them are available on the internet without a subscription I'm American, I just enjoy the cartooning style of David Pope 
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GoutPatrol posted:I'm American, I just enjoy the cartooning style of David Pope Well in case you're not a New Yorker you should check out the New Yorker, a New York magazine full of great articles and lovely cartoons.
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Are they ever about New York ?
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my dad posted:Belgrade gets razed on average once every 50 years or so, and has been doing so since around 3rd century BC. You can say that the city was built on top of rich Belgrade deposits. So what you're saying is, we're lazy and behind schedule.
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This is cool. http://www.caitlingreen.org/2017/03/a-very-long-way-from-home.html It also provoked the dumbest comment I've seen in a long time, a reply to a picture of Roman glass found in Korea. "amazing! in this times glass was unknown in Europe!"
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Grand Fromage posted:This is cool. http://www.caitlingreen.org/2017/03/a-very-long-way-from-home.html They meant real Europe. You know, Germany
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HEY GAIL posted:the foolish man built his house upon sand, and then venice and new orleans built their houses upon pudding Geography is quick to make a fool of man. In the past floods regularly inundated hundreds of square miles, before the levees. The Mississippi alluvial plain used to be very dynamic, today you can even visit oxbow lakes formed by the meandering of the Ohio river, in Mississippi! Things change a lot. Relatively speaking though the Mississippi is gentle. Probably the most dangerous river in the world is the Yellow River in China, in terms of historical catastrophe and potential for future destruction. The Ganges-Brahmaputra system is pretty serious too, but I don't know as much about it. Chinese history and archaeology is punctuated with monstrously destructive flood events. For example Sanyangzhuang village, found in 2003, was buried under five meters of sediment following floods in A.D. 14–17 which effected somewhere around 10 million people and caused a massive revolt against the Han dynasty. The founding myth of China describes the mythical Emperor Yu taming the river, and is likely based on a massive flood occurring in 1922 BC following the breach of a natural dam as tall as the Empire State building and which put down sediments up to 20m thick.  Historical routes of the Yellow River. in major floods the entire North China plain can be inundated and the outlet may shift to any point on the coast. Naturally the Chinese got really good at river management way before everyone else, beginning to construct major levees around 3000 years ago. Controlling floods is relatively simple in principle: you build levees or reinforce natural ones to keep water from overflowing the banks, and you straighten channels so water can flow faster into the ocean. Simple in principle, difficult in practice. The upper reaches of river flow through the loess plateau, from which about 1.1 billion tons of sediment erode into the river every year. Overtime this material builds up the river bed, which can rise as fast as 10cm a year. Today in its lower stretches the bed can sit as much as 10 meters above the surrounding plain. When floods do breach the levees, the water naturally flows away from its former course, sometimes shifting hundreds of miles over several decades. Chinese engineers had a solid understanding of these issues thousands of years ago, from a good essay I read on the subject recently: CHAPTER XX: Huanghe, the Yellow River posted:In 8 BC an advisory committee led by the engineer Jiarang suggested three steps toward control: to "channelize" the river, improving its rate of flow to the sea; to divert enough water down irrigation canals and into diversion basins that floods would be mitigated; and last, to build higher levees. All three methods have been applied, with less than complete success. A Han successor Wangjing, working from about 58 AD to 76 AD, was able to stabilize the Yellow River with levees in a way that lasted for centuries. He was lucky, however, because the river had shifted its course about 11 AD, and had been wandering uncontrolled across the flood plain. Wangjing therefore inherited river flow across low land, and low levees were enough for temporary control while higher ones were built. It took the river a long time to silt its bed back to the critical levels that Jiarang had faced. Squalid fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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Grand Fromage posted:This is cool. http://www.caitlingreen.org/2017/03/a-very-long-way-from-home.html How much has been written about the Christian communities in Southwest India? If the Byzantines were trading with them regularly they must have known but what I remember from world history classes is that once the Portuguese got there they didn't know they would find Christians.
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Squalid posted:Probably the most dangerous river in the world is the Yellow River in China... that is tremendous, thank you very much
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HEY GAIL posted:that is tremendous, thank you very much It's hard for me to wrap my head around the scale of disaster that could be a Yellow river flood. Like imagine what would happen if one spring the Rhine rose up and inundated everything between Paris and Berlin and when the waters finally receded its course had settled down so its outlet was in Lubeck. And now imagine that happening during the 30 years war. . . and that's why Chinese civil wars dominate "List of Wars by Death Toll" on wikipedia.
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GoutPatrol posted:How much has been written about the Christian communities in Southwest India? If the Byzantines were trading with them regularly they must have known but what I remember from world history classes is that once the Portuguese got there they didn't know they would find Christians. The Portuguese were looking for Christians everywhere they went. When they first encountered Hindus in East Africa they wrote home about all the great depictions of saints in the local cathedrals.
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This site's full of good stuff, I think I've seen it before but didn't go reading other articles. http://www.caitlingreen.org/2016/04/heptarchy-harun-ibn-yahya.html
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Squalid posted:It's hard for me to wrap my head around the scale of disaster that could be a Yellow river flood. Like imagine what would happen if one spring the Rhine rose up and inundated everything between Paris and Berlin and when the waters finally receded its course had settled down so its outlet was in Lubeck. And now imagine that happening during the 30 years war. . . and that's why Chinese civil wars dominate "List of Wars by Death Toll" on wikipedia. Yep, unfortunately there's not enough money in the budget for wars and dam maintenance at the same time, never mind that a million desperate homeless refugees will immediately start another war, leaving less money for dams, not to mention losing all the food we used to grow there and the taxes on it that paid the soldiers, who are now bandits too, and someone else please take this report to the emperor cause im gonna go drown myself in an ornamental fish pond
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P-Mack posted:Yep, unfortunately there's not enough money in the budget for wars and dam maintenance at the same time, never mind that a million desperate homeless refugees will immediately start another war, leaving less money for dams, not to mention losing all the food we used to grow there and the taxes on it that paid the soldiers, who are now bandits too, and someone else please take this report to the emperor cause im gonna go drown myself in an ornamental fish pond
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HEY GAIL posted:does it help that your sleeves are really big? really really big afaik romans did not have sleeves
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vintagepurple posted:afaik romans did not have sleeves Wasn't Julius Caesar notorious for his sleeved togas with tassels? That's what I recall from the Dan Carlin podcast, at least.
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vintagepurple posted:afaik romans did not have sleeves literally every tunic had short sleeves, making them longer was not wizardry.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:literally every tunic had short sleeves, making them longer was not wizardry. This guy disagrees 
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vintagepurple posted:afaik romans did not have sleeves pretty sure HEY GAIL was talking about ancient China
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Elyv posted:pretty sure HEY GAIL was talking about ancient China Romans didn't have long sleeves, and very few romans were killed by the Yellow River flooding. Clearly a lack of sleeves protected them.
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I don't think the Roman mind could actually conceive of sleeves. Or indeed flooding 
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Waci posted:Romans didn't have long sleeves, and very few romans were killed by the Yellow River flooding. Clearly a lack of sleeves protected them. This guy gets it. I love y'alls thread and I really want to read the Star Trek goons' thread about the 21st century. vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Strategic Tea posted:I don't think the Roman mind could actually conceive of sleeves. Or indeed flooding chalk them up next to "more than three colors" and "the self"
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Here's a picture of a Han era levee, exposed in a clay pit by a modern brick factory: It's a little hard to tell what it is at a glance but the sediment structures are quite different between the man-made levee and natural structures. It's interesting by itself, but just look at how deeply buried it is. While two thousand years ago it would have risen more than three meters above the surrounding plain, today you have to dig at least a meter underground just to scrape the top! In parts of Europe and North America with low rates of deposition and erosion you just walk around and find the foundations of neolithic houses and stone flakes sitting on the ground right where they were dropped one or two or three thousand years ago, but at this site they'd be at least 16 feet underground. Weirdly geologists in the Mississippi valley often rely on archaeological surveys of ancient settlements to date avulsion events. Channels don't leave much in the way of dateable evidence on their own, but if you find a fire pit on the ancient levee with lots of clam shells and fish bones, you can easily assume it occurred while the channel was active.
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The fact that all these ancient structures end up buried over time just supports the Expanding Earth Theory.
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I'm currently living in Naples (American expat) and am wondering about Imperial Roman era opinions of the south. Currently, northern Italians tend to look down on Neapolitans as a bunch of untrustworthy petty thieves with a weird dialect/thick accent. Was the Roman Italian peninsula area more or less homogeneous, or did writers mention needing to hire extra gladiator bodyguards when traveling to the southern cities?
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Depends when exactly. Ethnically, southern Italy and a lot of Sicily were Hellenic in the early Roman period - the Romans referred to it as Magna Graecia, greater Greece - and this certainly persisted to some extent into the imperial period even though technically speaking by that point everyone in Italy was a Roman citizen. Ironically these days the North Italians look down on the South Italians, but given the reputation Greeks had with Romans the Romans thought whatever Greek heritage the south had was pretty cool. Conversely, what's now northern Italy was inhabited by Gaulish people who the Romans considered scarcely better than total barbarians right up until Julius Caesar's day. So perhaps the answer is that in the republic it wasn't homogeneous at all, with a progressively greater degree of homogeneity being achieved over the course of the imperial period which broke down most, but not all, of the major regional identities that had existed before Rome. The Greek heritage of Magna Graecia was one that survived. To Romans, Naples was a Hellenic cultural center and a resort town where rich people often holidayed. I think but don't know for sure that any modern reputation Naples has for being a shithole full of thieves probably has to do with the unusual degree of poverty southern Italy has relative to the North, which is a relatively modern phenomenon.
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Latium and Campania were the Roman heartland. Early on the area was Samnite which was a problem, and Capua and Rome had a rivalry that concluded in them making the bad choice of throwing in with Hannibal, but other than that I don't think there were any distinct problems.
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Naples was the Miami of Rome.
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Isn't there still a few greek-speaking communities in southern Italy and Sicily?
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vintagepurple posted:Isn't there still a few greek-speaking communities in southern Italy and Sicily? There's Griko ethnic community in Salento and Calabria who speak Greek dialects, but it's unclear whether it's a community and language continuous since antiquity or is the product of medieval or post-Byzantine migrations, or some of both.
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vintagepurple posted:Isn't there still a few greek-speaking communities in southern Italy and Sicily? There are in Turkey, with language that preserves many traits of ancient Greek. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/jason-and-the-argot-land-where-greeks-ancient-language-survives-2174669.html
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HEY GAIL posted:i love the mediterranean Then, if you have an hour to spare, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4 1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed (Eric Cline, PhD)
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Grand Fromage posted:This is cool. http://www.caitlingreen.org/2017/03/a-very-long-way-from-home.html I'm obsessed with Britain after the end of Roman rule, so thanks for this link.
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It might have been another thread but thanks whoever recommended Colleen McCullough's Rome series. I haven't read such good historical fiction in years.
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