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Charlie: David, why are you wearing a suit, man? David 8: I beg your pardon? Charlie: You don't breathe, remember? So why wear a suit? David 8: I was designed like this because you are more comfortable interacting with your own kind. If I didn't wear a suit, it would defeat the purpose. Once you go down the road of pure functionality, then you have to explain why Major Motoko Kusanagi doesn't look like BigDog or a fuckin' cloud.
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Isn't there a character in the first season of SAC who was has this weird cube-shaped "body" by choice? Why doesn't the Major have one like that?! It would make for a very interesting movie 
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Mar 23, 2017 15:41
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Mierenneuker posted:Isn't there a character in the first season of SAC who was has this weird cube-shaped "body" by choice? Why doesn't the Major have one like that?! It would make for a very interesting movie Similarly, to pull from another Shirow work, why isn't she shaped like Briaeros? Not that Shirow has pulled the "repurposed sex doll" before, first with the Puma sisters then at least twice in GITS.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:04
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I mean if you ignore blending in with human society, there's not much functional reason for her to retain a humanoid body at all. But ignoring blending in with society is dumb. Like, even for the psychological stability of the person who has been shelled. People would want to look human, specifically in ways that resembled their pre-shelled persons or ways that adhered to their culture's aesthetic tastes. There's a reason sticking human brains in less humanoid bodies in the RoboCop sequels makes for such effective body horror. If I got shelled, there might not be a functional purpose in my mechanical figure looking like a bodybuilder, but I'd totally request it.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:11
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Also see: Literally all MMO characters.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:36
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Young Freud posted:Similarly, to pull from another Shirow work, why isn't she shaped like Briaeros? The Puma sisters are the most gratuitous because IIRC they weren't modified or otherwise augmented in anyway, just a plain old off the shelf sex bot is well versed in all military hardware and battle tactics and is basically indestructible. But that fit the more more 2000 AD-esque absurd setting.
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Mar 23, 2017 16:56
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Why do people have reconstructive plastic surgery?
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Bugblatter posted:I mean if you ignore blending in with human society, there's not much functional reason for her to retain a humanoid body at all. That's the funny thing about SAC, starting from the first episode but evident in the second episode, when you learn the one engineer has a prosthetic body that looks like an overweight nerd. I remember thinking that guy chose that body when he could have looked like Brad Pitt or Gackt. It wouldn't have mattered because it would probably easier to build a Brad Pitt body than a fat Asian copy of CAD's Tim Buckley. Then you have cases where you have government officials that have prosthetic bodies that look like old men, instead of man of steel super hunks (or sexy nurses, like that one dude ). Even Gouda has little reason to have a disfigured face, he basically chose that face for effect (I think he even says that). Mithaldu posted:Also see: Literally all MMO characters. Second Life especially. If they aren't a furry or a troll, most folks playing that game or super-cut muscular dudes, supermodels, or heavily sexualized thots with giant boobs and asses. Running across someone in a nonhumanoid body is rare.
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Mierenneuker posted:Isn't there a character in the first season of SAC who was has this weird cube-shaped "body" by choice? Why doesn't the Major have one like that?! It would make for a very interesting movie That would be pretty interesting: 
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Mar 23, 2017 18:10
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More bad scenes http://io9.gizmodo.com/watch-the-major-go-into-another-mind-in-this-exclusive-1793565482
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Mar 23, 2017 18:21
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Young Freud posted:That's the funny thing about SAC, starting from the first episode but evident in the second episode, when you learn the one engineer has a prosthetic body that looks like an overweight nerd. I remember thinking that guy chose that body when he could have looked like Brad Pitt or Gackt. It wouldn't have mattered because it would probably easier to build a Brad Pitt body than a fat Asian copy of CAD's Tim Buckley. Then you have cases where you have government officials that have prosthetic bodies that look like old men, instead of man of steel super hunks (or sexy nurses, like that one dude ). Even Gouda has little reason to have a disfigured face, he basically chose that face for effect (I think he even says that). Gouda I can buy. The guy was all about being as headfucky as possible. I think he says he kept it because before it he was unremarkable and un-noticed, but now he's impossible to forget. Gouda was one of the best parts of season 2 of SAC. I was never a big fan of Kuze, it seemed like something failed in the execution of his character to me, I never bought him as like, a super-charismatic leader like I could buy Gouda as a psy-ops nazi-demon. He was even an incel or man going his own way or whatever, who made his terrorist virus target virgins like him. And he gets his head blown off right after smack talking socialism. That's great! Kuze meanwhile was just kind of boring, and was too closely a mirror of the Major without anything to make him interesting as an individual.
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Mar 23, 2017 18:26
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gohmak posted:More bad scenes quote:it at least has a really great visual language It is visually impressive in the way any art in the genre of Hyperrealism is, but that's it. Watching him delve into high school level "what could it mean" interpretations of scenes that are only there to be pretty is funny though.
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Mar 23, 2017 18:36
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Mithaldu posted:It is visually impressive in the way any art in the genre of Hyperrealism is, but that's it. You know you've got problems when you're contradicting yourself in just two sentences.
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Mar 23, 2017 18:40
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If you try to make that point, at least be smart enough to say "one sentence".
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Mar 23, 2017 18:45
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Mithaldu posted:If you try to make that point, at least be smart enough to say "one sentence". ?
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Mar 23, 2017 18:51
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Oh jeeze, if this is what happens when you serious-post, please skip it and go straight to the bible allusions next time.
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Mar 23, 2017 18:52
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I'm pointing out how you, in one sentence, complain about 'high school level interpretation' while, in the other, you misidentify the clip as a genre of painting (?) that you insist is a 'meaningless genre'. Of painting.
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Mar 23, 2017 19:05
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Yes, that intent was obvious. You overlooking the subtler own is just sad though.
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Mar 23, 2017 19:11
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Mithaldu posted:Yes, that intent was obvious. You overlooking the subtler own is just sad though. I don't follow.
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Mar 23, 2017 19:14
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Bugblatter posted:I mean if you ignore blending in with human society, there's not much functional reason for her to retain a humanoid body at all. One good reason to be human shaped is so you can use equipment made for humans. Admittedly if you can plug directly into just about everything in the world like you can in much of GitS it's less compelling, but if it's still a human's world you don't want to give up being able to easily use things like cars and doors.
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There was a scene in SAC where Batou asked Kusanagi why she didn't just get a male body since they were stronger. I don't remember exactly what she said in response but she did kick his rear end.
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Mar 23, 2017 19:25
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gohmak posted:More bad scenes
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Mithaldu posted:lol no Actually, no. The film is not visually 'impressive,' but the cinematography is well-composed and the editing choices are distinct and purposeful, even in this potentially truncated form. Like, here is literally just the first few shots of the scene, before anything 'impressive' gets a chance to happen - when it is explicitly just the mundane, industrial interaction on the fringe of this speculative hyperspace.      What's illustrated here is actually Sanders' rather understated portrayal of his distant, toyish dystopian universe, to the extent that the logic in the formal composition of each shot is only revealed when married to a sequence that conveys how the environment has ostensibly been made for a distinct 'anti-aesthetic' purpose, that even at the basic level of plot, characterizing its creators, it was literally built for "no one." This is the vibe you get from Major laying down on the huge, slab-like bed (a noticeable contrast to the cumfy barbershop chairs of The Matrix, and Batou standing over her. Far from the projecting golem of the anime, he's framed as both helplessly marginal to Major's mission, as well as dwarfed by the literal artifice of the setting, the huge utilitarian lights cornering him. It's here after Major gives her consent that Sanders stitches in a shot from behind Batou, another one which 'diminishes' him, hunched over as he here's the machinery register. The thing about this shot is that, despite the 'anti-aesthetic' environment, Sanders and Jess Hall have found a way to compose both this shot of Batou and the beginning close up of Major share literally the same balance and geometric arrangement, making an aesthetic unity out of Major and Batou's shared alienation. It's from there we go into the ghost dimension stuff, but everything which was achieved practically in this film was not only done well, but it's being presented in an unconventionally careful and poetic manner.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:There was a scene in SAC where Batou asked Kusanagi why she didn't just get a male body since they were stronger. I don't remember exactly what she said in response but she did kick his rear end. "Check your privilege." More accurately she goes all Bruce Lee "like water" on him but with a scifi hacker twist https://youtu.be/rWYR_1Mwq5g
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It's funny how much of the conversations yall are having was already present in the source. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQDbxw8ErAE&t=990s
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Once you go down the road of pure functionality, then you have to explain why Major Motoko Kusanagi doesn't look like BigDog or a fuckin' cloud.  A BigDog action flick that delves deep into BigDog's crisis of identity would be pretty exciting.Just picture it: BigDog gently strokes some chick's cheek, and she's all like "What are you?", and then BigDog gets very sad.
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Mar 24, 2017 00:32
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Actually, that brain dive scene is neat.
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And More posted:
They've advanced to even weirder than Big Dog now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c This one looks even more like something from the background of a GitS movie, lol
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A concept artist who worked in the early stages of the film shared some of her reference sheets for the film. More importantly, her thread features commentary on what will not be in the film... https://twitter.com/monikabielskyte/status/844962977564495873 Also of important note... https://twitter.com/monikabielskyte/status/844964790959296513
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I'm pretty strongly in disagreement with the direction she wanted things to go. Also, she's flat out wrong about Oshii's GitS being designed as a depiction of the future from the future's standpoint. He was going for an unrealistically physical and chunky retro-futurism even in 95. I do love the installation artists her mood boards are comprised of... every art kid does. To the point where they were the key images I saw on every loving mood board in art school when I attended over a decade ago, which makes these boards seem trite. Most importantly, as much as I'd love a scifi film that plays with the loosely dubbed "new aesthetic," it would be about as far removed from GitS as you could get. As an aside, I'm pretty sure Rinko gets named dropped because she's the only Japanese actress in the age range that most people know, not because she's appropriate for the role. She's known for playing really vulnerable and timid characters and hasn't done very well when straying from that type. (Also she's not a name that could secure the funding necessary to build the sets those mood boards would inspire.)
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And More posted:
Again, Chappie is the vastly superior version of Ghost In The Shell 1995.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Again, Chappie is the vastly superior version of Ghost In The Shell 1995. I'm still pissed they "robo-washed" the major. Such bullshit
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Vanderdeath posted:Liberia has one of the lowest populations of white people in Western Africa and the fact that he was born in the jungle and fought in Charles Taylor's civil war in the 90s along with him getting heavily shat upon for his skin tone hints at him possibly being an albino. It's honestly one of those "huh, okay, weird" things in Metal Gear that was never explained. I doubt Kojima will ever outright say if he's supposed to be strictly white, mixed race or suffering from albinism either. Raiden black, so what. One of the things I honestly love about the Metal Gear Solid series is how it transitions between everything being immaculately researched and lovingly recreated, and just being like 'yeah, there's an albino child soldier from Liberia, what of it?'
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Raiden's not albino, this is madness. Also his kid is white too.
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Mantis42 posted:Raiden's not albino, this is madness. Also his kid is white too. Kid hit genetic lotto and inherited albinism.
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FuturePastNow posted:They've advanced to even weirder than Big Dog now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c That thing is just rad and absolutely more logical than rambling around on silly obsolete feet
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FuturePastNow posted:They've advanced to even weirder than Big Dog now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c That's the problem with the future, everyone's gonna be so loving loud
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Wendell posted:That's the problem with the future, everyone's gonna be so loving loud You won't be able to hear the whine of the engine over the dual belt-fed miniguns that will be mounted on swivels on the sides and will be retiring countless organics per minute.
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The big secret of the film will be that Major was Asian before she got her generic white woman body.
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