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also, you know how you can get 20-40% of the public to agree with literally anything, no matter how insane, as long as it's supported by one political party? turns out republicans found the one thing that's not the case with https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/844945452059496448 for reference you could probably get 20% support, minimum, for "Donald trump paid prostitutes to pee on a bed Obama slept in, but it was videotaped by the KGB who is now using it to blackmail Trump. Do you approve of Trump's actions?"
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you can get 20% support for showing people pictures of Trump's inauguration and Obama's inauguration and asking if they agree Trump's had more people
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If this makes it into the Senate that number will go even further down as people have more time to digest just how terrible it is, especially after whatever poo poo the Freedom Caucus got.
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not directly relevant to if this is going to pass or not, but a hella good quote https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/844923927042379776 https://twitter.com/jonward11/status/844924341200605184
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Any chance of reporting of the meeting while its in progress or at least some leaks? It's not the meeting, but there's some reporting on the people who aren't in the meeting: https://twitter.com/LisaMascaro/status/844951862386343937
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eviltastic posted:It's not the meeting, but there's some reporting on the people who aren't in the meeting: Does this mean that some of the HFC refused to go to the meeting?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Does this mean that some of the HFC refused to go to the meeting? I think it means that they do not believe that the HFC they're negotiating with can deliver the entire HFC, which you basically need now that you keep getting "moderate" defections. Also the linked tweet was: https://twitter.com/DavidMDrucker/status/844951408856236034
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evilweasel posted:you can get 20% support for showing people pictures of Trump's inauguration and Obama's inauguration and asking if they agree Trump's had more people This is incredible. I still can't believe "we have a secret healthcare plan, whatever it is you want, that's exactly it" loving worked for 6 years
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VitalSigns posted:This is incredible. holy poo poo now that I think about it was the exact same trick Nixon pulled with his secret Vietnam War winning plan
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Typo posted:holy poo poo Also colluding with a foreign power!
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Typo posted:holy poo poo "Democrats are petulant children - let the adults run things and everything will be different!" ::Trump get elected:: ::farts::
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VitalSigns posted:This is incredible. It's bizarre watching some of my relatives talk politics. I remember one conservation involving about six people. A few were expressing honest exasperation and concern regarding Trump and these idiots would just repeat talking points while flaring out their arms and waggling their heads like it's a battle between whose culture has better equipped them to yell and assume dominant social-postures. Information, analysis, etc. doesn't exist to these people. They just want the strength of an authoritarian culture coursing through them.
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Accretionist posted:It's bizarre watching some of my relatives talk politics. Other people will be expressing honest exasperation and concern that the country's being destroyed and all these idiots can do is repeat talking points like it's a battle between whose culture has better equipped to yell and assume dominant social-postures. Information, analysis, etc. doesn't exist to these people. They just want the strength of an authoritarian culture coursing through them. Are there any good books about Germans feeling like poo poo after World War II for what their country had done I need a glimpse into our future
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 trying to bury the vote late Friday so it misses the media cycleIt won't pass and they know it
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EugeneJ posted:
I don't really read that as trying to bury the vote. I read that as a desperate attempt to hope they can pass it with just a little more time. Everyone knows that this bill failing will be a week-long orgy of articles about how the bill failed, what it means for republicans, can paul ryan ever recover, are tax cuts dead, the genius of obama, etc, will 2018 be a bloodbath, etc. There's no getting away from it. Pushing it a day is just the hope that some more time will let them thread this needle.
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quote:"I think there may be a vote very late tonight if we get some good news in writing, right? It's trust but verify up here," Brat said.
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I just can't see how a bill with a goddamn 17% approval rating as-is can possibly pass. That's guaranteed political suicide no matter what the "lol nothing matters embrace death" crowd thinks.
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evilweasel posted:I don't really read that as trying to bury the vote. I read that as a desperate attempt to hope they can pass it with just a little more time. Everyone knows that this bill failing will be a week-long orgy of articles about how the bill failed, what it means for republicans, can paul ryan ever recover, are tax cuts dead, the genius of obama, etc, will 2018 be a bloodbath, etc. There's no getting away from it. Pushing it a day is just the hope that some more time will let them thread this needle. This vote has been built up pretty hard as being today, even rescheduling it is going to look like a defeat, because it is one. If it won't pass today there's no good reason to think it'll pass Friday.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:I just can't see how a bill with a goddamn 17% approval rating as-is can possibly pass. That's guaranteed political suicide no matter what the "lol nothing matters embrace death" crowd thinks. Because Congress, especially Republicans, do not represent the general public. They represent rich people and radicalized whackos and both those groups want this bill or more, either for tax cuts at any cost, or because they're insane.
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Jokes on them i get NYT app pushes all through the weekend
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Sloober posted:Jokes on them i get NYT app pushes all through the weekend All the print editions have late Friday deadlines for their weekend editions (USA Today, etc.). Also if the stock market dips, they can blame it on something else happening over the weekend instead of a failing vote Thursday and the market plummeting on Friday.
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empty whippet box posted:This vote has been built up pretty hard as being today, even rescheduling it is going to look like a defeat, because it is one. If it won't pass today there's no good reason to think it'll pass Friday. I don't either. But assuming they don't have the votes they will take that 0.5% chance of a delay working because why the hell not, if you lose you aren't any more hosed and if that one in two hundred chance comes up that's huge for house leadership. But yes, delay means almost certainly dead, because if they were just a few votes short putting it on the floor might get those.
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If they don't have the votes, why doesn't Ryan just take the McConnell approach and rip off the bandaid? I get that it's a much bigger humiliation for him than McConnell, but the problem isn't going away.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:If they don't have the votes, why doesn't Ryan just take the McConnell approach and rip off the bandaid? I get that it's a much bigger humiliation for him than McConnell, but the problem isn't going away for him. Ryan's real dumb and let himself be put in this position, but he thinks he's smart enough to find a way out of it (he ain't, there's no such answer)
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Because Congress, especially Republicans, do not represent the general public. They represent rich people and radicalized whackos and both those groups want this bill or more, either for tax cuts at any cost, or because they're insane. Also because people consistently rate all of Congress as a whole as trash but their personal representative as the good one.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:If they don't have the votes, why doesn't Ryan just take the McConnell approach and rip off the bandaid? I get that it's a much bigger humiliation for him than McConnell, but the problem isn't going away. McConnell is much, much better at this than Ryan is and wouldn't have gotten himself in this situation to begin with. But Ryan has been flailing ever since his original plan - repeal, replace later - got torpedoed. He's been trying to recover ever since and has never found a way. I think McConnell always knew this was likely a loser and stuck Ryan with the short end of the stick, and Ryan didn't realize it in time.
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haveblue posted:Also because people consistently rate all of Congress as a whole as trash but their personal representative as the good one. Good thing they're legalizing ISP-sales of browsing histories. Activists can start buying congressmen's records.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Ryan's real dumb and let himself be put in this position, but he thinks he's smart enough to find a way out of it (he ain't, there's no such answer) I can't decide whether I'm enjoying Ryan or Trump more in all this. Obviously Trump deserves so much more of an rear end-kicking than he'll ever receive, but there is just something about Ryan. I have this visceral disgust for the guy, like he's something I just saw crawl out of my sink.
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evilweasel posted:But Ryan has been flailing ever since his original plan - repeal, replace later - got torpedoed. He's been trying to recover ever since and has never found a way. Just so crazy to see this happen to the best policy thinker of his generation.
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EugeneJ posted:All the print editions have late Friday deadlines for their weekend editions (USA Today, etc.). Also if the stock market dips, they can blame it on something else happening over the weekend instead of a failing vote Thursday and the market plummeting on Friday. That just means trump won't see it
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