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evilweasel posted:REMAIN CALM https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/status/845003135638802433
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Mar 23, 2017 21:09
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So how long until Republicans begin pretending that the bill didn't even exist in the first place?
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Mar 23, 2017 21:11
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So how long until Republicans begin pretending that the bill didn't even exist in the first place? I don't see how they can push the vote past Monday. By then, it's dead and all Ryan gets by keeping it from the floor is making sure everyone blames him and nobody else. If it goes on the floor and fails, there's the no votes to blame as well.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:12
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Which is more humiliating for Trump, it being shot down in a vote or just thrown away without a vote? Or are you saying that Ryan will force a vote no matter what to try and share the blame for failure?
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Mar 23, 2017 21:15
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Which is more humiliating for Trump, it being shot down in a vote or just thrown away without a vote? definitely forcing a vote and failing it
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Mar 23, 2017 21:16
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Just to be clear it is still possible to twist enough arms by tomorrow. It's definitely not a done deal but I think you've got to peg it as more likely it's dead than it passes.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:16
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evilweasel posted:I don't see how they can push the vote past Monday. By then, it's dead and all Ryan gets by keeping it from the floor is making sure everyone blames him and nobody else. If it goes on the floor and fails, there's the no votes to blame as well. Also on Monday the "martial law" rule that lets them pass or change stuff very quickly expires: https://decisiondeskhq.com/news/house-invokes-martial-law-rule-to-pass-health-care-reform/ Decision Desk HQ posted:The House of Representatives’ Rules Committee spent yesterday wading through proposed amendments from members to the GOP’s ObamaCare reform bill. The plan originally was to pass a rule which would govern the number of amendments that would be allowed to voted on by the whole House and then report the package to the floor for consideration. The most important of the amendments would have been the “manager’s amendment” which would have contained changes approved by leadership that incorporated changes to the bill that included changes and compromises required to get a majority to vote for the bill.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:17
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Which is more humiliating for Trump, it being shot down in a vote or just thrown away without a vote? He will definitely force a vote. The blowback is going to be immense and he's going to need the additional targets for the base's rage.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:17
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axeil posted:Also on Monday the "martial law" rule that lets them pass or change stuff very quickly expires: They can just re-pass it. There's never any real constraints on what the Speaker can do in the House.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:18
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I still think the bill will pass. The GOP can't afford not to pass it.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:18
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evilweasel posted:Just to be clear it is still possible to twist enough arms by tomorrow. It's definitely not a done deal but I think you've got to peg it as more likely it's dead than it passes. Yeah, that sounds about right. Not looking good for the bill, but there could still be an 11th-hour reversal.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:18
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evilweasel posted:He will definitely force a vote. The blowback is going to be immense and he's going to need the additional targets for the base's rage. Nice.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:18
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evilweasel posted:They can just re-pass it. There's never any real constraints on what the Speaker can do in the House. Ah good point. Presumably if they have enough votes they can get the votes in the Rules Committee to do it again, I hadn't thought of that.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:19
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TyrantWD posted:I still think the bill will pass. The GOP can't afford not to pass it. The GOP can't afford to pass this bill. The ACA was passed with lukewarm popularity and got worse over the rest of 2010 and the Dems lost a historic 60+ seats in the fall. This bill isn't even law yet and the approval rating is around 30% among Republicans. They're going to be annihilated if they pass it and that's why everyone with even half a brain in the caucus is jumping ship. If Ryan wasn't a complete idiot he'd realize this bill is absolute poison and its passage means the end of his Speakership.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:20
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TyrantWD posted:I still think the bill will pass. The GOP can't afford not to pass it. can't afford to pass it either, decisions, decisions
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Mar 23, 2017 21:21
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axeil posted:The GOP can't afford to pass this bill. The ACA was passed with lukewarm popularity and got worse over the rest of 2010 and the Dems lost a historic 60+ seats in the fall. This bill isn't even law yet and the approval rating is around 30% among Republicans. They're going to be annihilated if they pass it and that's why everyone with even half a brain in the caucus is jumping ship. lol the GOP hosed themselves they are screwed if they pass it or if they don't pass it the only thing saving them is democratic imcompetence
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Mar 23, 2017 21:23
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axeil posted:Ah good point. Presumably if they have enough votes they can get the votes in the Rules Committee to do it again, I hadn't thought of that. Yep - the Rules Committee is always stacked with Speaker loyalists. If the Speaker has lost the Rules Committee he's probably about to be kicked out of Congress entirely because he got caught murdering a hooker or something.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:25
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Typo posted:the only thing saving them is democratic imcompetence Democrats aren't giving them a single vote. That's basically the only thing they can do in the House as a minority party, and they're doing it perfectly.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:26
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https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/845007368358367232
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Mar 23, 2017 21:26
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evilweasel posted:Yep - the Rules Committee is always stacked with Speaker loyalists. If the Speaker has lost the Rules Committee he's probably about to be kicked out of Congress entirely because he got caught murdering a hooker or something. Right, I was thinking even though it has a lot of GOP members (9 I think) that they weren't all Paul Ryan's kept puppets. With that knowledge it all makes a lot more sense.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:26
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axeil posted:The GOP can't afford to pass this bill. The ACA was passed with lukewarm popularity and got worse over the rest of 2010 and the Dems lost a historic 60+ seats in the fall. This bill isn't even law yet and the approval rating is around 30% among Republicans. They're going to be annihilated if they pass it and that's why everyone with even half a brain in the caucus is jumping ship. Sloober posted:can't afford to pass it either, decisions, decisions If you are going to be eviscerated either way, you might as well claim the scalp of Obamacare on the way down. They also need to give Trump a win and show he can get things done, even if its something terrible, for him to reciprocate on other issues. If they fail, they will probably have as adversarial a relationship with the president as they did under Obama.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:28
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Meanwhile, the president is hard at work trying to salvage his signature campaign promi https://twitter.com/afp/status/845006048863903744 https://twitter.com/stevekopack/status/844995773838315520 Oh wait no he's in his driveway acting like a three year old.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:30
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Haha, I'm Canadian, but I'm somehow on this guy's email list. I always make sure to answer his surveys.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:31
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TyrantWD posted:If you are going to be eviscerated either way, you might as well claim the scalp of Obamacare on the way down. They also need to give Trump a win and show he can get things done, even if its something terrible, for him to reciprocate on other issues. If they fail, they will probably have as adversarial a relationship with the president as they did under Obama. If you're someone like Charlie Dent who has survived 2006 and 2008 when you were in a purple district, why would you do something that is immensely unpopular instead of fairly popular? Also, you assume that all of the GOP actually hates Obamacare when I suspect if McCain had won in 2008 and proposed the same thing they'd love it. They're not all screeching morons like the Raiders of the Tortilla Coast.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:34
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evilweasel posted:Democrats aren't giving them a single vote. That's basically the only thing they can do in the House as a minority party, and they're doing it perfectly. That and trolling, which pelosi has under control https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/844987753762897922
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Mar 23, 2017 21:34
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Aren't truckers often self-employed middle-aged people? Do they like healthcare at all?
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Mar 23, 2017 21:35
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"Rookie mistake" Dammit Nancy, do something right.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:35
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TyrantWD posted:If you are going to be eviscerated either way, you might as well claim the scalp of Obamacare on the way down. They also need to give Trump a win and show he can get things done, even if its something terrible, for him to reciprocate on other issues. If they fail, they will probably have as adversarial a relationship with the president as they did under Obama. I don't see how becoming a pariah party is better than continuing the internecine squabbling they've already been dealing with for the last eight years.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:40
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BarbarianElephant posted:Aren't truckers often self-employed middle-aged people? Do they like healthcare at all? Yes they don't need healthcare because they keep their bodies in top physical form due to the rigors of their profession.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:44
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Macrowave Oven posted:Yes they don't need healthcare because they keep their bodies in top physical form due to the rigors of their profession. This, but sort of unironically. Commercial driver's licenses are really easy to lose because of high blood pressure and/or diabetes. Trump could never pass the physical.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:53
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:This, but sort of unironically. Commercial driver's licenses are really easy to lose because of high blood pressure and/or diabetes. Trump could never pass the physical. Uhhhhh, you ever seen truckers? They live in the same world as us so it's pretty easy to catch a glimpse and know that your statement is a bit off FedEx/UPS people though? Calves of steel
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Mar 23, 2017 22:10
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Most truckers I've seen are so fat I'm surprised they can climb into a truck
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Mar 23, 2017 22:18
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https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/845018201939435522 https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/845018455455748100 It might actually be impossible to describe how badly they've handled this.
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Mar 23, 2017 22:19
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https://twitter.com/mfcannon/status/845020749991743490 *Incredibly Paul Ryan Voice* "This is fine."
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Mar 23, 2017 22:23
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sharkbomb posted:Uhhhhh, you ever seen truckers? They live in the same world as us so it's pretty easy to catch a glimpse and know that your statement is a bit off truck drivers must pass a yearly or bi-yearly DOT physical, and obese truckers are pressured out of the profession by being sent to participate in an expensive sleep study if they have a large neck size or high BMI, in order to see if they are at risk for sleep apnea
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Mar 23, 2017 23:01
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sharkbomb posted:Uhhhhh, you ever seen truckers? They live in the same world as us so it's pretty easy to catch a glimpse and know that your statement is a bit off Statistically, truck drivers are probably healthier than goons, who don't have to pass yearly physicals just to keep their jobs. You don't have to be in tip top shape to pass, but actual morbid obesity will knock you right out on blood pressure grounds.
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Mar 23, 2017 23:13
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i go to meetings for 2 hours and the cbo tells the house they're spending almost $200b extra to cover zero additional people my sides
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Mar 23, 2017 23:19
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Zikan posted:https://twitter.com/mfcannon/status/845020749991743490 HFC: "please, don't throw us into the briar patch of not actually having to vote against the repeal bill while still destroying your speakership. whatever will we do. please, mr. ryan, have a heart" edit: this tweet is from a Cato Institute guy so it's basically the HFC laughing in Ryan's face when he says this
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Mar 23, 2017 23:21
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Look at my user name. Guess how many CDL licenses I have in my family. Guess. I've been caught talking out of my rear end on the internet-- I retract my statement regarding the fitness of truckers. Then again you know those regulations about trucker health now have a short life-span under this administration, so maybe the era of Body Builder Trucker has come to an end
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Mar 23, 2017 23:21
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evilweasel posted:i go to meetings for 2 hours and the cbo tells the house they're spending almost $200b extra to cover zero additional people 
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