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Yep. But that is neither here nor there wrt the dems desperately trying to regain power and maintain the status quo. On the plus side though, people like Jeffersonclay are dumb enough that they won't need to be appealed to when the current dems collapse and are replaced with progressives.
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Bip Roberts posted:uhh a bunch of people in this thread are all hot and bothered because people are pushing to investigate There are lot of people that have already concluded, sans evidence, that X happened.
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Mar 24, 2017 02:27
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Yep. But that is neither here nor there wrt the dems desperately trying to regain power and maintain the status quo. yes but bad dems aren't going away. they need to become the minority part of the coalition and then be whipped into shape so they fear getting primaried.
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Bip Roberts posted:yes but bad dems aren't going away. they need to become the minority part of the coalition and then be whipped into shape so they fear getting primaried. I feel like the bad-dems will go away when they go extinct by staying on the current path. The problem is the bad dems will be the last ones left with D's by their name, and we will get the trump and Cruz republicans creating the new party.
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Mar 24, 2017 02:39
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I feel like the bad-dems will go away when they go extinct by staying on the current path. The problem is the bad dems will be the last ones left with D's by their name, and we will get the trump and Cruz republicans creating the new party. Well working on discrediting the explicitly white supremacist wing though their ties to russia isn't a bad start.
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On one hand I genuinely am glad to understand just how lovely and corrupt the Democratic party is because it makes it so simple to tear the entire institution apart and demand reform. The corruption in the media, the Democratic party and the entire political and economic system were on full on display due to the info dumps that were strategically timed before the convention and during October to maximize their impact. It makes it so easy to make a case that the entire system is broken and must be reformed because it's naked incompetence. The Sanders wing of the party is ascendant and it's absolutely imperative to keep it that way, and the info dumps were a massive blow against the establishment. But it was done primarily to insert a dim witted fascist into the most powerful position of the world with no consideration to the people it would hurt. It was done to expand Russian influence abroad, which is not necessarily a bad thing, except what does Russia offer? The systematic murder of its own citizens based off the whims of an ever aging autocrat? A broken, resource based economy and a sprawling network of rotten infrastructure? The undermining of democratic institutions through money transfers and use of state assets, such as intelligence services to find compromising data on your political opponents? Invasion of neighbors and the seizure of sovereign territory? Massive military support of fascist regimes such as Assad and whatever other monster might serve their interest? Putin offers a contribution of poison to the world. gently caress him! clinton bad russia bad stomps feet
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Brother Friendship posted:On one hand I genuinely am glad to understand just how lovely and corrupt the Democratic party is because it makes it so simple to tear the entire institution apart and demand reform. The corruption in the media, the Democratic party and the entire political and economic system were on full on display due to the info dumps that were strategically timed before the convention and during October to maximize their impact. It makes it so easy to make a case that the entire system is broken and must be reformed because it's naked incompetence. The Sanders wing of the party is ascendant and it's absolutely imperative to keep it that way, and the info dumps were a massive blow against the establishment. Clinton is bad but the emails didn't show anything bad in them.
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Mar 24, 2017 02:46
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Uh Donna Brazile told Hillary a secret and totally ruined everything.
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Bip Roberts posted:Clinton is bad but the emails didn't show anything bad in them. Did you see their prose?
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Did you see their prose? pls print
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Brother Friendship posted:On one hand I genuinely am glad to understand just how lovely and corrupt the Democratic party is because it makes it so simple to tear the entire institution apart and demand reform. The corruption in the media, the Democratic party and the entire political and economic system were on full on display due to the info dumps that were strategically timed before the convention and during October to maximize their impact. It makes it so easy to make a case that the entire system is broken and must be reformed because it's naked incompetence. The Sanders wing of the party is ascendant and it's absolutely imperative to keep it that way, and the info dumps were a massive blow against the establishment. wow dude, way to gaslight russia phobia when the only thing that should be mattering to anyone is that dems are bad because only one thing can be bad at one time
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:On the plus side though, people like Jeffersonclay are dumb enough that they won't need to be appealed to when the current dems collapse and are replaced with progressives.
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Gringostar posted:wow dude, way to gaslight russia phobia when the only thing that should be mattering to anyone is that dems are bad because only one thing can be bad at one time
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In any case exposing and helping remove the Russian support for the nationalist far right parties in the US, UK, Germany, and France is a good step no matter what and I'm not sure why some "leftists" are against it.
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more than one thing can be bad at a time hell, lots of things can be bad at one time Not a Step posted:
stop being dumb and think only one thing can be bad at a time and for the record, you're making JeffersonClay look somewhat well reasoned for once by being dumb about this poo poo so please, for the sake of him/her not looking well reasoned stop being dumb also, "stop being dumb" rhymes with another saying that has five syllables
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Mar 24, 2017 03:37
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I have Hilary brain AIDS and I love to draw attention away from the wing of the party that gave us trump
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Fiction posted:I have Hilary brain AIDS and I love to draw attention away from the wing of the party that gave us trump oh man the attention is running out!
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Fiction posted:I have Hilary brain AIDS and I love to draw attention away from the wing of the party that gave us trump It wasn't the Hillary supporters who legitimized the Russian agitprop and mocked her for for calling it out. 5 months later you're still too dumb to realize you've been a useful idiot all along.
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JeffersonClay posted:I don't think you know what the word gaslighting means. Yes, tying Trump to Italy or Norway would be a lot less effective than tying him to Russia because Italy and Norway did not successfully hack our election system 5 months ago. This is the dumbest poo poo imaginable. this isn't true even remotely tho?
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Even if you think that a private political organization's internal emails are an 'election system' AND that releasing the incredibly milquetoast details contained within had any effect whatsoever there's still no evidence russian individuals or government were involved in any way The government's official evidence is that RT gave an interview to Assange once, and that Hillary Clinton is pro fracking those don't really create a trail back to Putin to any sane person
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Mar 24, 2017 07:22
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Gringostar posted:wow dude, way to gaslight russia phobia when the only thing that should be mattering to anyone is that dems are bad because only one thing can be bad at one time
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Mar 24, 2017 07:25
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JeffersonClay posted:Oh no what will happen to the Dem's political capital?!? I can tell you that I know several likely Dem voters who are ridiculously tired of the russia story because of xenophobia even if its somewhat effective of dismantling the trump admin. They're not dumb everyday people like you tho so
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ginsberg in 1956 posted:America it's them bad Russians. Them Russians them Russians and them Chinamen. And them Russians.
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Mar 24, 2017 07:28
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It's literally the same level as benghazi or obama birth certificate or email server where one side needs the scandal to be true so badly that their retard base believes it without consideration or evidence. Media is the same as fox news perpetuating dumb stuff
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Modest Mao posted:It's literally the same level as benghazi or obama birth certificate or email server LOL actually no
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you're right two of those things actually happened - With Evidence!
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did u ever think maybe ur hatred of trump is causing you to accepted retarded things out of hand just like literally every other person in human historysexpot posted:LOL actually no oh ok good job
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Modest Mao posted:oh ok good job Thank you reasonable goodposter Modest Mao
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Why are people believing us intelligence agencies when they have given no evidence whatsoever for their claims. Do you have the memory of a goddamn goldfish?
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Mar 24, 2017 08:32
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it's dumb because it's selective belief james clapper, the former director of national intelligence (who infamously lied about the scope of nsa data collection), went on national television and said there was 0 evidence of collusion at the beginning of the year but people want to so willingly believe anonymous sources without any evidence
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Republicans have stomped their feet every time they could, to declare that any opposition to them is unpatriotic, no matter what the issue was So the fact that their glorious leader is in the pocket of foreign power, should be pointed out at every turn, both because its actually bad, but also because it demonstrates the total hypocrisy of Trump voters - that they're actually massive fans of collussion and corruption, but only if it benefits them i.e. principles << partisanship Also Putin has done his best to violate other countries sovereignty when he can, like murdering people who fled (see: The recent mysterious death of a former duma MP) and even attempting to assassinate political leaders, so if you've ever bitched about the US doing that, ever, then consistency demands you hold putin to the same standard
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Putin and his gov. are often bad yeah That's not evidence of them having secret influence in the white house in and of itself also you're making the mistake that political allegiance or effectiveness works on consistency or logic - neither party cares about its own hypocrisy until it makes them look weak to their enemies
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Clinton being terrible also doesn't become not true because Russia, last I checked the accusation wasn't that they'd tampered with voting machines to rig the election, and Clinton did still lose to the giant orange baby, but maybe having the executive closely tied with another, largely hostile, country is a good enough reason to not dismiss their oppositiom to their meddling as 'xenophobia'
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like no one is trying to defend putin or say that its good that trump seems to admire him It's more that so far this looks like a politically motivated witch hunt couched on a appeal to a historically american specific russophobia which is not beneficial to our democracy and the only reason it gains traction is a specific party desperately needs to delegitimize Trump for various reasons, among which is to deflect from the fact that they don't have anything to offer the American people, except that They're Not Trump, a platform on which they were defeated
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Modest Mao posted:Putin and his gov. are often bad yeah
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rudatron posted:Clinton being terrible also doesn't become not true because Russia, last I checked the accusation wasn't that they'd tampered with voting machines to rig the election, and Clinton did still lose to the giant orange baby, but maybe having the executive closely tied with another, largely hostile, country is a good enough reason to not dismiss their oppositiom to their meddling as 'xenophobia' lol jesus christ what meddling
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rudatron posted:lol 'no evidence': https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yAuP3n2TU9RLqwt1vsTOegjWRbYwSqdMuY1Co1Eas6A/edit this is sub alex jones level GET IT TOGETHER I'm IRL lolin' at how insane this is https://docs.google.com/document/d/13dd0UKXIWsR5I1SczNgUCMGONUgN7y4OqIQ6qrgLZlE/edit lmao
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Modest Mao posted:like no one is trying to defend putin or say that its good that trump seems to admire him
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rudatron posted:Deflecting concrete accusations against Putin with 'that's just russophobia' is pure ideology maybe you're a retard so I'll spell it out for you and all the other retards who might happen upon this god forsaken thread Americans doing business or talking to russians is not in itself bad, you have to prove wrong doing - this is the russophobia edit: I don't care if you prove it you need evidence, even circumstantial evidence, of wrong doing Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 09:02 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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Like here's Good Circumstantial Evidence of Wrongdoing: Russian oligarch and ex-CEO of russian petroleum giant Gazprom donates $135 million to a trump charity, along with other multimillion dollar donations from current managers at Gazprom Gazprom hires Ivanka for $500,000 to speak at their event One year later Trump approves sale of natural gas rights to massive deposit off coast of alaska I think people could look at that and go yeah, that's probably bad in an Actually Bad way
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