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https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0 oh, poo poo
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Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, resigned after the AP revealed he took kickbacks directly from russian oligarchs linked to putin: https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP The DNC leaks were released through wikileaks, the site run by a man who both makes a regular appearance of russian state owned television, and has specifically requested the protection of Russian state security forces while he stays in that embassy http://www.salon.com/2017/01/07/donald-trump-julian-assange-and-russia-how-theyre-connected-and-how-they-changed-an-election/ Trump himself has received loans from russian banks, and the russian mob operates out of Trump tower
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Also lol you've never seen me post before if you think I'm a hillshill
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Modest Mao posted:Gazprom hires Ivanka for $500,000 to speak at their event transcripts where
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I was kidding Mao you're actually a very bad poster
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comedyblissoption posted:if there's nothing to hide, it's actually way smarter for trump to let the democrats and media hang themselves on a witchhunt that goes nowhere if there's nothing to hide, then they probably wouldn't have hidden it in the first place like, yeah, it's perfectly possible to have innocent, corruption-free talks and business with Russian officials. there's also no reason to leave them off ethics forms or lie to Republican officials about them all this crap about "McCarthyism" and "Cold War 2" sounds exactly like tankie whining about how mean the filthy American scum are to glorious, noble Russia
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rudatron posted:Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, resigned after the AP revealed he took kickbacks directly from russian oligarchs linked to putin: https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP You're ill seek help
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i'm a cool guy, just looking fffor a fun time shitposting
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rudatron posted:Also lol you've never seen me post before if you think I'm a hillshill all people who disagree with me are hillfolk all people who disagree with me are typical libs democrats are cosplaying McCarthy with their baseless investigations I am the extent of right wing discourse. If the Clinton Foundation stands as an example of pay to play because international players contributed to it to gain influence to Clinton then what does this mean about Trump? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-property-specialreport-idUSKBN16O2F6 http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/why-did-a-russian-pay-95m-to-buy-trumps-palm-beach-mansion/ Because Trump has received upwards of a hundred million dollars directly from Russian oligarchs while very specifically saying that he, personally, had no business inside Russia.
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Modest Mao posted:You're ill seek help 
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Brother Friendship posted:all people who disagree with me are hillfolk it clearly means trump is a corrupt piece of poo poo, thats obvious. whats not obvious is why anyone would listen to anything that american intelligence agencies say
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Modest Mao posted:You're ill seek help assage and wikileaks are a wholly owned subsidiary of the fsb and putin which is why they repeatedly defended putin in the panama papers sorry you're too rock gently caress stupid to figure this really basic fact out
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this thread is gaslighting me
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Terror Sweat posted:it clearly means trump is a corrupt piece of poo poo, thats obvious. same reason the GOP should listen to what the CBO says: because if an agency is so worthless that it can't even be trusted to do its job, it should be reformed or dismantled, not just ignored
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Terror Sweat posted:it clearly means trump is a corrupt piece of poo poo, thats obvious. RE: Iraq War The Bush administration ignored and actively attacked any and all intelligence reports that didn't serve their political interests in their pursuit of war. The term 'stove piping' was used to describe how the Bush administration only accepted reports that coincided with their pre determined beliefs and this is the root cause of the WMD debacle. It wasn't that the intelligence community necessarily failed in its task of assessing the actual presence of WMD, although the post 9/11 craziness played a role and I'm sure plenty of them were banging the drums, but rather that Bush needed his war and didn't care how he got it. The same thing happened with the State department and the Pentagon for the invasion and occupation of Iraq: people who knew what they were doing were sidelined to make way for geniuses like Bremer. US intelligence isn't a joke to be dismissed with an eye roll, just like how it shouldn't be accepted without question. You're supposed to take a step back, assess the situation and make your own judgment based on the evidence presented. And honestly idgaf what US intelligence says because I know that Russia is a garbage state that is driving itself into bankruptcy to undermine the West and that Trump is a dumb rear end stooge that plays to their purpose.
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Terror Sweat posted:whats not obvious is why anyone would listen to anything that american intelligence agencies say This is the POV that made elements of the left so easy for Putin to manipulate.
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nothing to see about the russia stuff folk it's all theater https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/845293157055107072 said the republicans and "leftists" in the thread
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It's really weird that the republicans are so eager to shut down this giant nothingburger distraction that is hurting the democrats.
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JeffersonClay posted:It's really weird that the republicans are so eager to shut down this giant nothingburger distraction that is hurting the democrats.
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What healthcare bill? Russia has so consumed every corner of my consciousness that I have no idea what you're talking about.
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jBrereton posted:This apart from it is isn't, because it's distracting from the absolute disaster that is the Republican party's schismatic health bill while Wolf Blitzer et al run around casting aspersions. So what if the administration is choking on scandals and incompetence while being forced to attack its own allies as an FBI investigation looms overhead? It's actually a good thing becau-
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Brother Friendship posted:So what if the administration is choking on scandals and incompetence while being forced to attack its own allies as an FBI investigation looms overhead? It's actually a good thing becau- it's distracting us from democrats are bad which is the only thing that matters
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Brother Friendship posted:So what if the administration is choking on scandals and incompetence while being forced to attack its own allies as an FBI investigation looms overhead? It's actually a good thing becau- Like the Russia thing is either a nothingburger or really important, people have their minds made up, this healthcare thing should be the death of the GOP.
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jBrereton posted:Some dance of manners about rich people taking bribes is probably less newsworthy and dare I say it relevant to most people's lives than the fact that tens of millions of americans are being put on the train towards bankruptcy by the Freedom Caucus imo. it's wont be because the people that would die under it will still always vote for team R
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Gringostar posted:it's wont be because the people that would die under it will still always vote for team R Just take a look at the life expectancy in states that vote Republican consistently vs. ones that vote Democrat. Republican voters have already made their peace with the idea that they're going to die early.
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historically russians have supported republicansquote:Last year, the intelligence community, which consists of sixteen U.S. entities that collect secret information, produced classified and unclassified versions of a report on the Russian influence campaign during the election...
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I mean how historically are talking here I can't imagine they were supporting them in the eighties, although they probably were in the sixties and seventies.
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jBrereton posted:I mean how historically are talking here boy are you in for a shocker when you finally read it
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Gringostar posted:boy are you in for a shocker when you finally read it Like this is my own reading of it, they had good reason to support literally anyone over JFK/LBJ and Carter (because Carter stopped US wheat exports to the USSR over the regime change in Afghanistan, at a time of cyclical contraction in Russian agricultural yields).
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Would the Russians oppose LBJ because he was fighting communism in Vietnam or support LBJ because we were getting hosed up in Vietnam?
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JeffersonClay posted:Would the Russians oppose LBJ because he was fighting communism in Vietnam or support LBJ because we were getting hosed up in Vietnam? it's complicated vietnam was a massive black eye to the us on the world stage but was being supported more by china then russia, but vietnam was way more complicated than just the us vs communism proxy war everyone thinks but then there was the cuban missile crisis that LBJ was vice president during made him less than popular with them Gringostar has issued a correction as of 01:07 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Gringostar posted:second one Vietnam most certainly wasn't not in the sinosphere during the war. The north was fighting with maoists in Cambodia, and fought a war with china directly after unifying the country, and had major direct russian support.
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Bip Roberts posted:Vietnam most certainly wasn't not in the sinosphere during the war. The north was fighting with maoists in Cambodia, and fought a war with china directly after unifying the country, and had major direct russian support. china sent a poo poo load of aid to the north but yeah they were pretty much playing both sides during it, which is why i revised my post to say vietnam was complicated
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I started reading the sino-soviet split wikipedia article and I forgot that it started because China was pissed that Russia was criticizing Stalin, who had Done Nothing Wrong. lol
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-cia-director-mike-flynn-and-turkish-officials-discussed-removal-of-erdogan-foe-from-u-s-1490380426 it's not just russia btw trump and his team have a poo poo load of shady as gently caress connections with forign governments
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JeffersonClay posted:I started reading the sino-soviet split wikipedia article and I forgot that it started because China was pissed that Russia was criticizing Stalin, who had Done Nothing Wrong. lol Mao feared it would jeopardize his own power base. Turns out in the process he only delayed the revisionism for another decade or two.
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