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Noctone posted:If the next 46 months are anything like the first two have been then I can't wrap my head around how anyone could ever again trust Republicans to govern. Everything about how they've handled this bill has been insanely inept. They'll just blame the "RINOs".
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Typo posted:sorry guys i think the lovely trumpcare bill passes either tmr or next week: the suicide caucus is suicidal but not that suicidal, they want to get re-elected and trump is playing the "I don't care if I win re-election" madman theory chess move. If this were true the last week would not have occurred.
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Pollyanna posted:Deceit and bigotry. Oh definitely blame them all. It's just you can't treat them as a unit for figuring out what they'll do. But every one of them deserves as much scorn as humanly possible. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/845097863650660353 He has 23 solid Nos, and a lot of the conservatives he has as probably are pretty solid nos.
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https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/845099934386933760 Allegedly 8-10 house suicide caucus members are ready to cave
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Mar 24, 2017 03:31
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Not getting my hopes up. Still not.
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Either the Republicans are humiliated or millions of Americans including myself become significantly closer to death so I'm calling this a win-win situation
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Mar 24, 2017 03:37
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So Trump is playing hardball and threatening that this will be last opportunity he gives to repeal ACA. Freakout causes yes votes. I wonder if this will work.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:So Trump is playing hardball and threatening that this will be last opportunity he gives to repeal ACA. Freakout causes yes votes. I wonder if this will work. https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/845089540708687872 https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/845090040128684033 Guess we find out tomorrow.
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:So Trump is playing hardball and threatening that this will be last opportunity he gives to repeal ACA. Freakout causes yes votes. I wonder if this will work. The HFC might be buckling, at least part of it. I don't think all of it will, but there's also the moderates. I think if they get real close they may be able to twist enough moderate arms, but they've got to be close. I think its going to be a nailbiter.
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He said on his Twitter that the changes they've been making to the bill weren't pushed by the HFC. So yep it won't get passed.
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Mar 24, 2017 04:00
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Living in red states my whole life has taught me one thing; repubs will always do the most horrible thing possible hahahahahahaha welcome to my hell mother fuckers!!!
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My mom, who's an avid Fox News watcher, was talking about the AHCA this weekend. She said one of the awesome things about it was it gives different small businesses the ability to get together and buy a group policy. I have not heard or seen anything about it and I can't find anything about it. Anybody else heard of that?
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volts5000 posted:My mom, who's an avid Fox News watcher, was talking about the AHCA this weekend. She said one of the awesome things about it was it gives different small businesses the ability to get together and buy a group policy. I have not heard or seen anything about it and I can't find anything about it. Anybody else heard of that? That comes in one of the other prongs I think. It's (supposedly) part of their plan but it's not in the bill they're voting on tomorrow.
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volts5000 posted:My mom, who's an avid Fox News watcher, was talking about the AHCA this weekend. She said one of the awesome things about it was it gives different small businesses the ability to get together and buy a group policy. I have not heard or seen anything about it and I can't find anything about it. Anybody else heard of that? I work for a smallish business and we already do that and our insurance (which is super bad rear end) is free 
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volts5000 posted:My mom, who's an avid Fox News watcher, was talking about the AHCA this weekend. She said one of the awesome things about it was it gives different small businesses the ability to get together and buy a group policy. I have not heard or seen anything about it and I can't find anything about it. Anybody else heard of that? You can already do this. You don't need a law to do it for you.
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BlueBlazer posted:You can already do this. You don't need a law to do it for you. So my mom thinks this is some wonderful selling point, but she can do this already?!
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BlueBlazer posted:You can already do this. You don't need a law to do it for you. Is this like "selling across state lines," where you can do it already but the Republicans want to make it unregulated?
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BlueBlazer posted:You can already do this. You don't need a law to do it for you. Yeah it has been what quite a few Texas counties have been doing for a few decades now, grouping up to get better coverage and rates.
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If you own a small business of like <25 employees currently you have to pay out the rear end for a group plan - I'm guessing AHCA allows businesses with few employees to buy group plans at a cheaper rate
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volts5000 posted:So my mom thinks this is some wonderful selling point, but she can do this already?! yeah been true for a while. small business i used to work for did it back when ACA forced them to start providing insurance
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/845097863650660353 I have a hard time taking someone seriously when they have spreadsheet skills like that.
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Zil posted:Yeah it has been what quite a few Texas counties have been doing for a few decades now, grouping up to get better coverage and rates. We do it through some kind of ADP thing and are registered as an LLC as ADP or something weird, not 100% how it all works but we have > 25 employees.
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Mar 24, 2017 04:19
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welp https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/845106131357847552 https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/845109772634542080
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Mar 24, 2017 04:49
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Well I was wrong last night, but I bet it'll pass tomorrow. Always expect the worst thing to happen.
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Ogmius815 posted:Well I was wrong last night, but I bet it'll pass tomorrow. Always expect the worst thing to happen. Either way, this wasn't the worst thing. That would've been strongarming enough of the loons into going along with something the Senate started to make positive noises about. Top notch political theater regardless, plenty of own goals and exposed fault lines that will make the upcoming tax/budget fight entertaining in addition to horrifying. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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I'm not really worried about it if it passes the house. It won't pass the senate if it does, and honestly, passing the house might be even worse for them than not passing the house because it's so incredibly unpopular. They're hosed on this.
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Typo posted:sorry guys i think the lovely trumpcare bill passes either tmr or next week:
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Is that what they're telling Trump or do they actually believe this?
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Fulchrum posted:Is that what they're telling Trump or do they actually believe this? I expect that Bannon or Kushner or their cronies believe this and I expect one of those two is the quote here. I don't think Trump is capable of realizing a defeat could be the best thing, he wants a win no matter what that win means.
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Fulchrum posted:Is that what they're telling Trump or do they actually believe this? I'm sure Bannon does, since his goal is more to break the spirit of the GOP and recreate it in his own image.
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Right wing media spun into action. Breitbart has been 100% placing this failure of a bill on Ryan's head, conveniently ignoring Trump and Bannon fighting so drat hard to get it passed over the past few days. I take it that's a sign that it won't pass, with HFC remaining firm and we get a bunch of defectors voting no when it becomes clear that the votes aren't there, but we'll see.
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Whoever said that is also absolutely right. If the bill goes into effect and a bunch of people lose their insurance it would all be on Trump.
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The Phlegmatist posted:Right wing media spun into action. Breitbart has been 100% placing this failure of a bill on Ryan's head, conveniently ignoring Trump and Bannon fighting so drat hard to get it passed over the past few days. Brietbart hates, hates, hates Paul Ryan and they'll take any chance to knife him. Nobody seems to know what is going to happen. I think you're correct that as soon as it's clear it will fail it will fail by a lot as people who don't want to vote for it defect since they're no longer needed, but nobody (on either side) seems certain where it's going to end up.
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The Phlegmatist posted:Right wing media spun into action. Breitbart has been 100% placing this failure of a bill on Ryan's head, conveniently ignoring Trump and Bannon fighting so drat hard to get it passed over the past few days. I will never dare to hope when it comes to the shittyness of the american right-wing (which is pretty much all of your politicians, FYI), but if Ryan gets his rear end handed to him over this moronic failiure, I will laugh until I destroy a lung.
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And just like that, the American people got a slight respite because Republicans couldn't agree on how much they should gently caress them over.
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