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hobbesmaster posted:
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BarbarianElephant posted:Plan B may well be repeal without replace, hammered through somehow, if it seems popular. Repeal drops a similar number of people off their health insurance but has no tax credits to go with it. For every HFC member they gain they'll lose 2 "moderates"
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BarbarianElephant posted:Plan B may well be repeal without replace, hammered through somehow, if it seems popular. That was plan A. Ryan loved plan A. Plan A repealed all the taxes without any new spending and was a pure transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich. If Ryan could get Plan A he would drop this shithole in a second. He's only doing all of this because its the only way he gets his tax cuts. The "moderates" won't go near repeal without replace happening at the same time, when Obama isn't around to veto.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:35
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hobbesmaster posted:Repeal drops a similar number of people off their health insurance but has no tax credits to go with it. For every HFC member they gain they'll lose 2 "moderates" I suspect that these "moderate Republicans", fewer in number, can be browbeaten/threatened/bribed more easily than the maniacs of the Freedom Caucus.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:36
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BarbarianElephant posted:I suspect that these "moderate Republicans", fewer in number, can be browbeaten/threatened/bribed more easily than the maniacs of the Freedom Caucus. The moderates are in gerrymandered R+2 seats, they'll lose their general elections if they go along with it.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:38
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BarbarianElephant posted:I suspect that these "moderate Republicans", fewer in number, can be browbeaten/threatened/bribed more easily than the maniacs of the Freedom Caucus. The HFC doesn't face competitive elections. The "moderates" (who are larger, not smaller), do.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:39
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Also useful: these are the "definitely hard no" HFC members (voted against even having the bill voted on today): https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/845299300490002432
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Mar 24, 2017 16:42
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Some commentator I think it was on RT (lol no pun intended) who said it's not just 24 million impacted, if the CBO estimates are right, that would lose insurance but ALL of us will be impacted by it because those that are uninsured are going to be asking others for financial help to pay medical bills and prescriptions. I thought that was a very important point. We are heading towards serious social unrest if that bill gets passed by both chambers in Congress.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:44
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hobbesmaster posted:The moderates are in gerrymandered R+2 seats, they'll lose their general elections if they go along with it. Republican voters have the memories of mayflies. I'm not sure they can remember this issue in 4 years time, especially since the Republican propaganda machine will be stepping up the hate and making people forget all other issues apart from whatever minority ethnicity's existence most concerns them.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:43
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BarbarianElephant posted:Republican voters have the memories of mayflies. I'm not sure they can remember this issue in 4 years time, especially since the Republican propaganda machine will be stepping up the hate and making people forget all other issues apart from whatever minority ethnicity's existence most concerns them. Next election is in under two years.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:46
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BarbarianElephant posted:Republican voters have the memories of mayflies. I'm not sure they can remember this issue in 4 years time, especially since the Republican propaganda machine will be stepping up the hate and making people forget all other issues apart from whatever minority ethnicity's existence most concerns them. "Repeal and replace" based rhetoric has already survived 2 elections, it'll survive one more. Also heritage action won't forget and if there's anything in that "replace" part the moderates are losing a primary
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Mar 24, 2017 16:47
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evilweasel posted:Also useful: these are the "definitely hard no" HFC members (voted against even having the bill voted on today):
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eviltastic posted:Massie and Gohmert are loons, but not HFC members. We need a descriptor other than 'moderate' to describe non-FC no votes. The Vulnerable Caucus.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:47
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And the thing is if you build up to a social explosion in 4 years, the police have already been militarized as we saw in Ferguson and with how nuts Trump is tweeting threats on "sending Feds to Chicago" how do you think this administration is going to quell social unrest? Terrifying.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:48
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eviltastic posted:Massie and Gohmert are loons, but not HFC members. We need a descriptor other than 'moderate' to describe non-FC no votes. Huh. I could have sworn Massie was a member but he might not be because they're not freedomey enough for him. I think I always assumed he was a member because he'd fit in perfectly.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:48
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Mar 24, 2017 16:49
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Confounding Factor posted:Some commentator I think it was on RT (lol no pun intended) who said it's not just 24 million, if the CBO estimates are right, that would lose insurance but ALL of us will be impacted by it because those that are uninsured are going to be asking others for financial help to pay medical bills and prescriptions. Not rich people, though. All their relatives are at least decently off. However, the richest guy in a poor family is going to be *drowning* in relatives begging for auntie's medicine money or a donation for little cousin's orthopedic surgery.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:49
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Watching the live feed with them all admitting their plan isn't perfect while complaining about how ACA isn't perfect is just awesome.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:50
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Quorum posted:The Vulnerable Caucus. Eh....those two won their districts with over 70% of the vote.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:52
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gently caress me I wish I didn't have to wait all day for this. I want this to fail so badly. No matter what happens this feels like a big failure for republicans that will haunt them badly in 2018.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:53
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In case anyone was going to be surprised by this, the EHB repeal amendment is an utter unworkable mess: http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/confusion-over-essential-health-benefits/
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Mar 24, 2017 17:00
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evilweasel posted:In case anyone was going to be surprised by this, the EHB repeal amendment is an utter unworkable mess: http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/confusion-over-essential-health-benefits/ quote:
As a resident of Mississippi, I can guarantee you 100% that they either simply won't get around to establishing what EHB means or they'll decide that *nothing* is an EHB.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:06
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eviltastic posted:Massie and Gohmert are loons, but not HFC members. I kind of feel like we can count them as de facto members though. God they're both dumb. Even for House members, they're really, really dumb.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:09
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Majorian posted:I kind of feel like we can count them as de facto members though. Massie appears to be to the HFC what the HFC is to House Republicans. I really would not be surprised if they weren't pure enough for him.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:11
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Mar 24, 2017 17:16
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If Paul Ryan is never seen again after entering the White House, I won't be entirely shocked.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:17
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House GOP thinks the whip count is "not looking good" https://twitter.com/dcraiggordon/status/845308002513174528 https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/845308269472219136
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Mar 24, 2017 17:19
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https://twitter.com/bendavanzo/status/845282659446214657 More of this please.
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genuine american hero: https://twitter.com/BenDAvanzo/status/845282659446214657
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Mar 24, 2017 17:20
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If it's really grim, Ryan might be trying to work out punting it to Monday or pull the vote. I can't see Trump going for it.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:20
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Rhesus Pieces posted:https://twitter.com/bendavanzo/status/845282659446214657 gently caress yes.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:22
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Quorum posted:Hey there friend central Virginian. Really funny story regarding Brat. I actually wandered into Deep Run park one afternoon last summer and he was there with someone from the house of delegates to boost their profile. Every person there was over the age of 70 to hear them talk and two people were escorted away from the event for even asking about entitlement cuts. Like, big dudes in suits pulling people away from the crowd for even mentioning his loving positions. He also looks like he's made of plastic in person. I don't know how to describe it better than that.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:24
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evilweasel posted:genuine american hero: This dude for prez
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Mar 24, 2017 17:30
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The "800 billion dollar tax cut for 400 people who don't loving need it" point needs to be stated constantly. Make them defend that poo poo.
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Mar 24, 2017 17:32
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I think I was right, ryan wants delay/pulled vote, and Trump is having none of it: https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/845310870607548418
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https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/845310870607548418 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIlL0T2yTss
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eviltastic posted:I think I was right, ryan wants delay/pulled vote, and Trump is having none of it: haha go down in flames you gently caress
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Mar 24, 2017 17:40
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Yuuuup. Ryan wants to run for the hills, Trump wants names. https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/845311572264275969
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eviltastic posted:If it's really grim, Ryan might be trying to work out punting it to Monday or pull the vote. I don't see why. A weekend of constituents yelling will only lose moderates. He's made his artificial deadline, it apparently hasn't worked, and punting it twice means nobody will take any other deadline seriously. The only real hope is that when push comes to shove on the floor someone cracks, but if he punts it to Monday, that person isn't going to believe the threat it's the last vote if it fails (not that they do now, but they'll believe it less on Monday). edit: WELP I GUESS REALITY HAS MADE ME LOOK STUPID AGAIN
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