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That reminds me, one of the most inspired ideas in the Injustice comic is that as powerful as Black Adam is, Wonder Woman is his weakness. All she needs to do is lasso him and ask "What's the magic word?" Instant depowering. I'll start with the profile pieces a little later today with updates on the guys who were in the first game.
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Gavok posted:That reminds me, one of the most inspired ideas in the Injustice comic is that as powerful as Black Adam is, Wonder Woman is his weakness. All she needs to do is lasso him and ask "What's the magic word?" Instant depowering. i've always found this kind of funny about DC characters--so many of them exist as hard counters to each other. Yellow and Green Lanterns, Magic people like Shazam/Black Adam/Dr. Fate against Superman, Wonder Woman against the disciples of Shazam. And then you have The Spectre who is literally God's vengeance, and I hope we see him pop up as DLC at last.
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Mar 24, 2017 19:18
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"Chocolate egg cream" will always be on my high list of comic book moments. It's my understanding that at least for awhile Martian Manhunter was supposed to be the U.S. government's contingency against a Superman "problem." I never really read much of him, though.
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Mar 24, 2017 20:48
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Supes isn't weak to magic tho, he's just affected by it instead of shrugging it off like he would a laser beam or bullet
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Mar 24, 2017 20:54
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Yeah Superman is "weak" to magic in the same way everyone else is. So its really just that he has no particular defense against it. Its fine though because Superman is the strongest and nobody can ever beat him really, bless you Superman! 
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Mar 24, 2017 23:52
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Evil Canadian posted:Superman is the strongest and nobody can ever beat him really  Supes wasn't doing too hot for a while there faced with Shazam's mighty package.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:04
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Then the Ubermensch decides he's just gonna perform heat vision brain surgery on Shazman.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:09
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Superman takes 50% more damage from magic. If Zatanna turns him into a rabbit he turns into one and a half rabbits. Them's the facts.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:09
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AndyElusive posted:Then the Ubermensch decides he's just gonna perform heat vision brain surgery on Shazman. Less so in this case, more he gets a whole hell of a lot of lighting rained down on his rear end.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:10
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In fairness, I think Injustice was the first time in a long time Marvel hasn't kicked the poo poo out of Superman in a toe to toe fight.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:15
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I guess I might as well get on with it. GUIDE TO THE INJUSTICE 2 ROSTER: INTRODUCTION Before I get to the game's cast, let's take a quick look at the DC universe itself. DC's continuity is a complicated mess. Originally, back in the 30's and 40's, DC hit the scene with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash and other Golden Age heroes. Popularity died down a bit except for the first three (early Wonder Woman sold a lot through the years due to being a thinly-veiled fetish comic) and during the late 50's/early 60's, DC reintroduced a lot of their ideas. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman were more or less the same concepts, but Green Lantern went from being a magical dude in a cape to a space cop in spandex and the Flash went from being a dude dressed as Mercury to a masked man with lightning bolt ears. Eventually, they figured out a storyline reason for this. The Golden Age of DC took place on Earth-2 while the "modern" stuff took place on Earth-1. This was discovered when 60's Flash teleported himself to Earth-2 to meet the original Flash. This also meant that Earth-2 Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman were all about 20 years older than their modern counterparts. ' They did a lot of inter-dimensional crossovers and over the next twenty years created a lot of new universes with their own continuities (ie. the world where the heroes are villains and vice versa). This became a huge headache and DC wanted to simplify things so new readers could get into comics easier. In the mid-80's, DC did a huge event story called Crisis on Infinite Earths. While an epic, it's also incredibly dense and boring. New readers think to check it out because it's important, only to be knocked into a coma. Anyway, the story had this big villain the Anti-Monitor show up to destroy most of the various alternate dimensions. In the end, the handful of remaining ones were merged together, Anti-Monitor was destroyed and continuity sort of rewrote itself. Now DC could write a ton of stuff from the ground up. A chunk of the continuity stayed the same, only DC decided that Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman were never part of the Justice League for the sake of writing stories where Superman and Batman could meet for the first time. Also, characters like Captain Marvel (Shazam) and Blue Beetle, from other comic companies DC had bought out, were now part of the same world instead of just being from alternate realities. Then in the 90's there was this story called Zero Hour where an evil Hal Jordan and another guy tried to change history andĄ hell if I know. I tried reading it and couldn't get past the first issue. This again changed DC continuity, but more of a quick fix of different details than a major reboot. In mid-00's, DC had some alternate universe survivors from Crisis on Infinite Earths show up to cause trouble in a big story called Infinite Crisis. In an attempt to bring back the multiverse and/or create a better world where comic heroes weren't violent rear end in a top hat failures, the villains accidentally caused another quick fix to continuity because why not (Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman were part of the original Justice League after all!). Also, there were now exactly 52 alternate universes. Several years later, DC sales were completely in the shitter for anything that wasn't Batman or Green Lantern. Pressured by the higher ups, they desperately turned one of their upcoming Flash stories into an excuse to do another major reboot. The story Flashpoint -- which involved the Flash accidentally changing the world radically via time travel -- ended with Flash setting things back to normalĄish. Characters from other continuities DC had written (like superhero teams the Authority and Gen 13 from their Wildstorm line) become integrated into DC's "New 52". DC ended all of their comics and restarted them at #1 with 52 titles. Batman and Green Lantern more or less kept their continuities in check, but nearly everything else got the axe. Superman was no longer involved with Lois, certain popular characters didn't even exist anymore, Shazam had gone from pure-hearted to kind of a dopey rear end in a top hat, the original Batgirl could walk again just because, nobody was wearing underwear on the outside of their pants and superheroes had been in the public eye for five years. Because it came so suddenly, the whole thing was a mess. It helped sales initially, but at the end of the day, they were just rearranging chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Injustice obviously isn't canon with DC continuity, but its character portrayals and inspirations come from the universe from just before Flashpoint happened. Meanwhile, the costume designs were based on the post-Flashpoint depictions. Now, one of the reasons the game's story and the comic prequel worked so well because despite all the horrors, the message was still, "This isn't how things are supposed to be." That contrasted with DC's New 52 status quo, where everything appeared to be an overly gritty nightmare and near everyone was a violent rear end in a top hat. Once the honeymoon was over, DC's sales started to go south again while Marvel ate their lunch. DC then did another multiverse-related event called Convergence. It didn't bring any meaningful change to the DC status quo or anything, but I feel it's worth mentioning since it was a plot heavily involving Brainiac and it temporarily killed off the Injustice universe. More recently, DC started an event/status quo/massive apology called DC Rebirth. Wally West Flash was never really brought into the New 52, so his pre-Flashpoint self would appear as a fading ghost, calling out to people who had no idea who he was. Then Barry Allen Flash was all, "Uh... who are you and what are you talking abou--OH poo poo, WALLY?! DUDE! What the hell?!" He brought him back to solid form and we discovered that Barry Allen's recklessness did NOT create the New 52. Nope. Instead, the New 52 was created by Dr. Manhattan. From Watchmen. They're seriously building towards a DC/Watchmen crossover storyline. They also used Watchmen as a scapegoat, saying, "We're really sorry that our comics have been grimdark and hopeless for so long, but this is all Alan Moore's fault for making Watchmen! We'll be better now, we promise!" Ugh. And to their credit, DC has been crawling out of its creative hole, especially with the comics born out of Rebirth. Their comics have been getting way better while Marvel's been losing major steam.
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FunkMonkey posted:In fairness, I think Injustice was the first time in a long time Marvel hasn't kicked the poo poo out of Superman in a toe to toe fight. it helps that Shazam kind of comes across as "actually billy batson, naive kid" mode for the story. I'm okay with trotting out Black Adam this time to beat the poo poo out of him. FunkMonkey posted:"Chocolate egg cream" will always be on my high list of comic book moments. in some of the rebooted comics (jesus they have rebooted them so much) there's a separate Justice League called Justice League of America, which is basically the government-sponsored version of the superfriends. Yes, Manhunter is their contingency plan against Superman because he's on the same Omega level (to steal a term from X-Men). Getting Martian Manhunter back in Injustice 2 would be very cool but they'd have to completely rebalance him; he was loving beyond broken last time.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:21
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The ultimate contingency plan, as superman famously has no way to create fire.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:23
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Yardbomb posted:
Superman totally won that fight though. He literally just went "enough" and then manhandled him like a child. Then he went on to(somewhat) save the day cause he is a drat hero. Like even in the new 52 run of swamp thing, multiple times in the comic its obvious who he really wants to be.  No shame in looking up to the best!
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Mar 25, 2017 00:27
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Gavok posted:I guess I might as well get on with it. Which part of this is the part where there's a Superman from The Actual Real World With DC Comics and Everything who turns evil and tries to kill his writers or something
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Mar 25, 2017 00:33
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The only time Superman's been interesting in a long while was Red Son.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:35
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AnonSpore posted:Which part of this is the part where there's a Superman from The Actual Real World With DC Comics and Everything who turns evil and tries to kill his writers or something Isn't this the same comic where Superboy Prime punches reality until it shatters?
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Mar 25, 2017 00:41
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Technowolf posted:Isn't this the same comic where Superboy Prime punches reality until it shatters? that's the reference being made yes
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Mar 25, 2017 00:44
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Resurgence even made Batman a more compassionate, humerous character, though this is admittedly due in part to events at the climax of New 52. "Justice tastes like banana" springs to mind. ... I miss Commissioner Gordon as robo Batman.  Edit: Alfred dressing up as Batman as a distraction helped a lot.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:54
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Yardbomb posted:The only time Superman's been interesting in a long while was Red Son. Superman legit has a lot of the best stories in all of comics, however they aren't the kind where he punches/kicks people but rather where it just exploring what it means to be human(despite being an alien) and other all around inspirational stuff. No other comic character has stories like Superman: Peace on Earth(which is a fantastic read) because well, they aren't Superman.
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Mar 25, 2017 00:58
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AnonSpore posted:Which part of this is the part where there's a Superman from The Actual Real World With DC Comics and Everything who turns evil and tries to kill his writers or something Superboy Prime shows up in Crisis on Infinite Earths as a good guy. Then he's revealed to be one of the main villains in Infinite Crisis. He attempts to murder DC's writers in Blackest Night. I really wish Superboy Prime was in Injustice 2. Constantly whining about how unbalanced the game is and how NetherRealm needs to buff his offense.
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Mar 25, 2017 01:08
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Gavok posted:Superboy Prime shows up in Crisis on Infinite Earths as a good guy. Then he's revealed to be one of the main villains in Infinite Crisis. He attempts to murder DC's writers in Blackest Night. Superboy Prime went out in a amazing way in Crisis on Infinite Earths, sacrificing himself alongside Earth Two/Golden Age Superman. What comic was it that ended with him in a basement reading the very comic he's in, looking at the reader screaming about escaping/finding his way out? Legion of Three Worlds? I can't remember, but that feels like that was the firs time they fully accepted the Superboy Prime meta.
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Mar 25, 2017 01:20
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So much for a less evil Superman https://twitter.com/InjusticeGame/status/845440102184579072 Any idea on who's the one kneeled on the right?
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Mar 25, 2017 02:16
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Superboy Prime went out in a amazing way in Crisis on Infinite Earths, sacrificing himself alongside Earth Two/Golden Age Superman. What comic was it that ended with him in a basement reading the very comic he's in, looking at the reader screaming about escaping/finding his way out? Legion of Three Worlds? I can't remember, but that feels like that was the firs time they fully accepted the Superboy Prime meta. I don't remember that, but he was in a Blackest Night tie-in that starts with him shitposting on DC's forums.
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Mar 25, 2017 02:38
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:So much for a less evil Superman I'm pretty sure that's Cyborg.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Superboy Prime went out in a amazing way in Crisis on Infinite Earths, sacrificing himself alongside Earth Two/Golden Age Superman. What comic was it that ended with him in a basement reading the very comic he's in, looking at the reader screaming about escaping/finding his way out? Legion of Three Worlds? I can't remember, but that feels like that was the firs time they fully accepted the Superboy Prime meta. Legion of Three Worlds, yeah. In the end, Earth Prime is finally brought back from the ether and Superboy Prime finds his way home, but his parents and girlfriend read the comics he was in and are terrified of him because they've seen what he's become. The last page or two is him yelling at the reader while his parents do his bidding. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:So much for a less evil Superman If anyone's going to redeem themselves, it's Damian. The prequel comics have put too much emphasis on Ghost Dick (I refuse to call him anything else) trying to patch things up between Bruce and Damian without any real conclusion.
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Mar 25, 2017 03:23
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Gavok posted:
In one of the trailers Robin and Batman are clearly teamed up so yeah
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AnonSpore posted:Which part of this is the part where there's a Superman from The Actual Real World With DC Comics and Everything who turns evil and tries to kill his writers or something If I remember correctly, it goes something like this: one of the dozens of alternate Earths before Crisis on Infinite Earths was "Earth-Prime," which was basically the real world with the inclusion of Superboy. That Superboy ended up as the sole survivor of his universe during the Crisis, and went out like a baller at the end of the series by sacrificing himself. He did so alongside a couple of other "orphaned" characters, such as Alexander Luthor (a heroic version of Lex, from a universe where he was the only superhero) and Earth-2's Superman (a version of the character who'd been around for decades, had married Lois, and been allowed to age; his existence was an attempt to reconcile the presence of a Superman in various WWII stories as well as their current output). Fast-forward to Infinite Crisis. Nobody actually died as a result of that sacrifice, and those characters are becoming a little unhinged due to isolation; they've spent the intervening period trapped together in a pocket universe. At the same time, in a bit of meta-commentary on the trending in '00s-era DC, Earth-1 Superman and Superboy are both extremely concerned about how dark and gritty the superheroes are becoming. Alexander is also quietly manipulating them both; Superboy's still pretty naive and Superman's concerned for Lois, whose health has been in steady decline due to old age. The plan, such as it is, is to restore the multiverse. Superboy and Alexander think it'll help them make a "perfect Earth," while Superman thinks a return to her native timeline will help Lois recover. At the end of the resulting shenanigans, which is something like six massive threats to the universe occurring simultaneously, Alexander's dead (shot by the Joker), Earth-1 Superman and Lois are dead, and Superboy Prime has gone more or less completely nuts in an extremely meta sort of way, which has ranged from being barely veiled commentary on the comics industry, the DC Universe, and its fans to being not veiled commentary at all. Alexander did manage to restore the multiverse, however, as this is the start of the "52": the DC Universe consists of fifty-two separate, alternate Earths, which includes the old Wildstorm universe (Gen-13, the WildCATs, the Authority, etc.) and the Crime Syndicate of America (literally a mirror universe where all the heroes are evil, the villains are good, and humans' hearts are on the other side of their bodies).
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Don't forget that during all of this, Superboy breaks them out of the pocket universe by punching the forcefield at the edge of the universe so hard that it literally breaks reality and causes every single continuity error and unreconciled retcon ever since the Crisis.
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McSpanky posted:Don't forget that during all of this, Superboy breaks them out of the pocket universe by punching the forcefield at the edge of the universe so hard that it literally breaks reality and causes every single continuity error and unreconciled retcon ever since the Crisis. Simple in its elegance really.
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Man I forgot all about Mr. Terrific, who is a hugely underrated DC character, basically "what if it was Bruce Wayne's son and wife who were killed and also had the religious hangups of Daredevil" but it's a shame his "floating sphere" poo poo has already been commandeered by Batman/Dr/ Fate.
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MinibarMatchman posted:Man I forgot all about Mr. Terrific, who is a hugely underrated DC character, basically "what if it was Bruce Wayne's son and wife who were killed and also had the religious hangups of Daredevil" but it's a shame his "floating sphere" poo poo has already been commandeered by Batman/Dr/ Fate. He got reintroduced in detective comics resurgence recently. I think he got fused with Batwing (Lucius Fox's son) for the new continuity. Edit: it's DC Rebirth. I keep calling it resurgence because I'm an idiot apparently. Buck Wildman fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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I was looking at the list of revealed characters, and i don't think we've seen anything of flash, bane, brainiac, catwoman, cyborg and poison ivy yet and black adam of course
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Mar 26, 2017 21:29
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We've seen flash in the very first reveal trailer and he showed up in shattered alliances 2 but nothing gameplay wise which is odd. It's probably because his Watchtower stream would just be 30 seconds of them explaining how to input lightning kick and how to combo it off 1-1 punches using his trait, forever.
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Kurtofan posted:I was looking at the list of revealed characters, and i don't think we've seen anything of flash, bane, brainiac, catwoman, cyborg and poison ivy yet Catwoman is being fought in the Cheetah Trailer, Cyborg in Firestorm i think and Poison Ivy is also somewhere. I can't quite remember the locations but can I have seen them actually being played. How does everyone feel about the aesthetics of the armor options this far into pre-release? I'm not sure if everything will be just like 5-6 models of equipment per piece. I can't imagine there won't be a way to wear older costumes like Harley's alt or various Batman outfits. I need my classics
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Mar 27, 2017 00:40
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It looked a lot like they were just splitting up old costumes into pieces
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Mar 27, 2017 00:45
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I've definitely seen some older costumes split into parts. Superman has access to the Red Son emblem and colorscheme, Batman seems to have the Batman Beyond outfit split into pieces (I've seen the head and the chest at least), Wonder Woman has a couple different styles of her outfit's skirts and pants. There's also the Premium Skins which work as a 'shader' slot item (i think?), so instead of an alt color it just replaces the entire outfit (and voicework, and sometimes animations) so they can still add in full skins as options if they need to do that. Which I'm sure they'll do for the upcoming Justice League movie, and rumors are that the CW characters are all getting in that way too. Wouldn't be surprised if some special looks sneak in as shaders, but other stuff can definitely be split up into gear. Which I kind of like, since it lets you do some interesting looks by mixing things together.
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Catwoman is being fought in the Cheetah Trailer, Cyborg in Firestorm i think and Poison Ivy is also somewhere. I can't quite remember the locations but can I have seen them actually being played. Pretty sure ivy fights in the swamp thing reveal
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There was that valentines trailer too. With Ivy, Black Canary, Catwoman, and Cheetah. I don't know if there was any gameplay in there.
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Jimmy Hats posted:We've seen flash in the very first reveal trailer and he showed up in shattered alliances 2 but nothing gameplay wise which is odd. It's probably because his Watchtower stream would just be 30 seconds of them explaining how to input lightning kick and how to combo it off 1-1 punches using his trait, forever. it's more likely due to rumors and pieces of things they've said about Flash receiving a revamp. Green Lantern was another one whose name was thrown around when it came to rebooted moves or traits. Kurtofan posted:I was looking at the list of revealed characters, and i don't think we've seen anything of flash, bane, brainiac, catwoman, cyborg and poison ivy yet definitely almost nothing on Flash, Bane, or Braniac. Bane's story info on the site is extremely throwaway which made me laugh at why he was even kept--I'm not complaining though because I love his moveset in the first game.
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