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Jt man  Two of the top ten worst moves in Survivor history
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Mar 25, 2017 02:58
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Jt man JT is now the proud owner of 2 of those moves.
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Mar 25, 2017 03:07
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I for one was expecting some quality Survivor playing from JT
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Mar 25, 2017 03:08
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Malcolm did say in his RHAP exit that he was warned about JT
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Mar 25, 2017 03:44
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I wonder who told him.
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Mar 25, 2017 03:46
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Fast Luck posted:Did he really? He told Brad the vote wasn't going to be on him, then went back and told his tribe he told Brad that, so they could vote for Brad. Yah I heard this too, so I'm not sure why they are so convinced he tried to screw them, seems like he covered his bases well. Of course the editing probably skipped him immediately going back on this and arguing for someone else again. Its really hard to say who is playing well and who isn't when the editing leaves out so much.
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Mar 25, 2017 04:53
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From what we saw he went and told Brad that they were voting for Sierra, and then when his tribe was debating flipping the vote to Brad he said "I just told him he was safe." We never saw him tell them he told Brad they were voting for Sierra, and if he did you would think they would have not voted for Sierra. From what we saw he lied (by omission) to his tribe and screwed them by telling the other tribe who they were voting for. We never saw him admit to that and it would seemingly be a big thing if he had because then it would be on them for not changing their vote. But what we saw puts it squarely on JT. Edit: Just listened to RHAP and Malcolm confirms that JT never told them he gave away Sierra was the target. That he panicked at the last minute and was trying to get them to get off Sierra but wouldn't tell them why. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Mar 25, 2017 05:12
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Max posted:I wonder who told him. I'm guessing Fishbach?
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Mar 25, 2017 05:24
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Why would Fishbach warn against JT? They're really good buds.
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Mar 25, 2017 05:39
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I love Malcolm's RHAP reaction to the twist as "I hate it because it screwed me and I had no chance to talk to them, but I can't get mad because this is what we love about the game." Interesting that he says he was close with Sandra and was just playing along with JT about targeting her. And he says Aubrey was his "ride or die."
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Mar 25, 2017 05:42
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STAC Goat posted:That he panicked at the last minute and was trying to get them to get off Sierra but wouldn't tell them why. Doesnt that count? He told them to a) vote brad and then b) at least don't vote Sierra. I think perhaps sandra was just too inflexible and didn't want to switch from her plan no matter what new information came out or anything anyone said.
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Mar 25, 2017 07:03
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STAC Goat posted:I love JT but that was idiotic. Like, if you're going to betray your tribe and give away who they're targeting why not finish it? Do that tribe flip on Sandra. There's a chance it screws you if they don't listen, vote out Malcolm, and leave you outnumbered on a tribe you betrayed. But oh look... that's where you are now. At least then you were trying to make a power move on your tribe to take control. I don't really know what JT was hoping to accomplish the way he played. I guess he expected Sandra to go and that he'd be able to manage the fallout of betrayal with "we had to get Sandra out". J.T. did tell them to vote Sandra. The consensus seems to be that J.T. kept trying to push them to do it, then halfway through realized that they weren't going to budge and that he had screwed everything up. That's when he panicked and tried to get everyone to move away from Sierra. Malcolm's interview says that what we didn't see was J.T. looking really shattered towards the end of the whole pre-vote huddles. He had no choice but to rejoin his tribe in trying to vote out Sierra. Assuming the idol wasn't in play, there were three outcomes: 1. J.T. sticks with his tribe. They manage to vote Sierra out, everything's good 2. J.T. flips to try to vote out Sandra. 5 votes for Sierra, 5 votes for Malcolm. Nobody budges, so rock draw. 3. J.T. and Malcolm both flip. 2 votes for Sandra, 4 votes for Sierra, 5 votes for Malcolm. Malcolm goes home and you look dumb.
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Mar 25, 2017 07:17
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who was the last quit we had, colton in BvW?
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Mar 25, 2017 07:20
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ApplesandOranges posted:J.T. did tell them to vote Sandra. The consensus seems to be that J.T. kept trying to push them to do it, then halfway through realized that they weren't going to budge and that he had screwed everything up. That's when he panicked and tried to get everyone to move away from Sierra. Malcolm's interview says that what we didn't see was J.T. looking really shattered towards the end of the whole pre-vote huddles. He had no choice but to rejoin his tribe in trying to vote out Sierra. Assuming the idol wasn't in play, there were three outcomes: rock draw honestly is probably the safer political move there but i could see everyone coming to a consensus to just vote out hali
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Mar 25, 2017 07:21
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its me glenda posted:rock draw honestly is probably the safer political move there but i could see everyone coming to a consensus to just vote out hali Hali would be the 'safe' vote, but the one with the least long-term benefit, since Hali might be able to rejoin them on the merge (remember that original Mana was down 7-10 at that point). Since they had the majority it makes sense that they'd try and get out an original Nuku while they still could.
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Mar 25, 2017 07:28
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its me glenda posted:who was the last quit we had, colton in BvW? Julie, season 29 (San Juan del Sur)
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Mar 25, 2017 10:46
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ApplesandOranges posted:J.T. did tell them to vote Sandra. The consensus seems to be that J.T. kept trying to push them to do it, then halfway through realized that they weren't going to budge and that he had screwed everything up. That's when he panicked and tried to get everyone to move away from Sierra. Malcolm's interview says that what we didn't see was J.T. looking really shattered towards the end of the whole pre-vote huddles. He had no choice but to rejoin his tribe in trying to vote out Sierra. Assuming the idol wasn't in play, there were three outcomes: My point (which I probably didn't verbalize well) is that if JT wanted to use the other tribe to take out Sandra then the only way it really works is if he has the numbers to take control of his tribe. So like if he could get Malcolm and Varner to vote for Sandra but not Audrey and Michaela (I'm picking randomly) he'd be risking a rock draw in a regular tribal. But if he can get the other tribe to throw five votes on her then he can just take her out and take control. That doesn't seem to have been an actual option based on Malcolm's post eviction interviews but its the only way the move makes sense to me. JT had three plays that I think could have worked out for him. 1) Shut up, sit back, vote Sierra, and hope it all works out and they take out Sandra somehow and if Sierra goes just keep trying to play the game in his tribe. 2) Find 3 votes for Sandra before Tribal and tell Brad in Tribal to target her. Brad could have betrayed him and still voted out Malcolm, but it makes the easy vote 8-3 Sandra-Sierra and leaves his 3 in control of the tribe. 3) Go crazy and openly declare that you're voting for Sandra so either people can join him or they can risk a 5-5 rock draw. This seems dumb for a couple of reasons but it probably would have worked to get Sandra out at least. The mistake JT and Hali were making was treating that Tribal like a merge one where they were choosing between alliances. That may have been what it felt like but it wasn't the reality. Both were going to have to go home to the tribes that they just openly courted betraying and that makes them top targets for the tribe next Tribal. For Hali I kind of understand it because she was clearly the target anyway and Brad and Sierra were all but threatening her in that Tribal. But for JT he seemed to actually be fitting in well with his tribe and was getting some positive feedback from Malcolm on targeting Sandra. So by doing what he did he undercuts any trust he had built (and as luck would have it, loses Malcolm). The other mistake JT made was not just coming clean that he told Brad about Sierra. Because there's a big difference between "I think we should change the vote off Sierra just because" and "We need to change the vote off Sierra because I told them we were voting for her." He was trying to cover up his betrayal but they just ended up figuring it out on their own when she was given the idol.
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Mar 25, 2017 20:50
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I read that Funny 115 post about Brad Culpepper a week or two back and I didn't even realize that I was somehow brainwashed by Candice. So now I'm hoping for some Culpepper redemption. His antiquing bit was adorable. also Sandra needs to win.
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Mar 25, 2017 21:27
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I'm still confused as to what actually happened at tribal. Did JT tell Culpepper that it was Sierra? Is that how he knew to tell Tai where to play the idol? Was this pre-planned or an audible after Hali said vote for strength? This twist is potentially fun, but it was too chaotic to enjoy for me.
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Mar 25, 2017 22:56
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Factor Mystic posted:I'm still confused as to what actually happened at tribal. Did JT tell Culpepper that it was Sierra? Is that how he knew to tell Tai where to play the idol? Was this pre-planned or an audible after Hali said vote for strength? he told brad hey sorry man but its sierra and i gotta vote with them, brad was all okay. brads tribe convened and decided they were gonna idol sierra and vote malcolm. jt runs to his tribe and tells them that he told brad he was safe and nothing else. jt runs back to brad and asks them to vote sandra, brad tells jt no deal, we're idoling and voting malcolm. here is where jt messed up he runs over to his current tribe, and tells them they have to vote tai. the tribe asks why. jt like a child who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar wont fess up on the why. tribe says they're not switching without a reason. jt stays quiet and just votes with them, knowing malcolm is a dead man.
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Mar 25, 2017 23:18
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the right move would have still been for sandra tribe to just cut hali and not fill jt in on it. jt winds up splitting his own vote, it goes 5-5, malcolm and hali dont vote, thats when you tell jt we're cutting hali. cuts a number from brad tribe thats just a swing vote that ain't helping the sandra tribe anyway. see: matt elrod and boston rob
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Mar 25, 2017 23:23
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its me glenda posted:the right move would have still been for sandra tribe to just cut hali and not fill jt in on it. jt winds up splitting his own vote, it goes 5-5, malcolm and hali dont vote, thats when you tell jt we're cutting hali. cuts a number from brad tribe thats just a swing vote that ain't helping the sandra tribe anyway. see: matt elrod and boston rob They removed the revote this season. A tie goes directly to rocks.
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Mar 25, 2017 23:42
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Pinterest Mom posted:They removed the revote this season. A tie goes directly to rocks. you still have a period of time to come to a unanimous agreement (with the tied people not part of the discussion), and i doubt brad's tribe goes to rocks over hali ford.
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Mar 25, 2017 23:45
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STAC Goat posted:My point (which I probably didn't verbalize well) is that if JT wanted to use the other tribe to take out Sandra then the only way it really works is if he has the numbers to take control of his tribe. So like if he could get Malcolm and Varner to vote for Sandra but not Audrey and Michaela (I'm picking randomly) he'd be risking a rock draw in a regular tribal. But if he can get the other tribe to throw five votes on her then he can just take her out and take control. For 2, J.T. doesn't necessarily need three votes for Sandra. All he needed was for the other tribe to vote for Sandra, then he could flip and take her out. When the tribe goes back, he can buddy up with Malcolm, then they have three days at least to flip someone like Varner over to get a majority - without Sandra's centralizing presence he'd have an easier time making a crack. Which might be what he was hoping for that night, the other tribe just didn't want to play along. It's honestly a smarter move for them to eliminate Malcolm before Sandra - it will always be easy making a case to eliminate Sandra, while Malcolm is a harder sell as long as he can duck behind shields, especially once merge happens. 3 is the best GAME CHANGER move, but while it might have worked, well, Malcolm did the same thing last time he played and he didn't make it very much further. Mike also tried it in Worlds Apart and the gambit didn't really pay off (Tyler got spooked but that's natural when your name's on the chopping block).
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Mar 26, 2017 01:04
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JT showed how not to go rogue. He left no avenue of retreat, needed to fall on his sword to save Malcolm (because, hell, maybe he could salvage an anti-Sandra vote the next time), and now is exposed anyway, in a situation that absolutely no one should trust him any further on, with the added attraction of having eliminated his loyal ally. A cascading blunder of epic proportions. Hate to see Malcolm screwed that way, but I gotta admit - game-changer. Just a really incompetent one.
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Mar 26, 2017 19:06
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its me glenda posted:who was the last quit we had, colton in BvW? less laughter is right, assuming you don't count Terry as a quit in Second Chances. I only mention it because it was brought up in the thread, as I remember. LostRook fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Mar 26, 2017 |
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Mar 26, 2017 19:26
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ApplesandOranges posted:For 2, J.T. doesn't necessarily need three votes for Sandra. All he needed was for the other tribe to vote for Sandra, then he could flip and take her out. When the tribe goes back, he can buddy up with Malcolm, then they have three days at least to flip someone like Varner over to get a majority - without Sandra's centralizing presence he'd have an easier time making a crack. Which might be what he was hoping for that night, the other tribe just didn't want to play along. It's honestly a smarter move for them to eliminate Malcolm before Sandra - it will always be easy making a case to eliminate Sandra, while Malcolm is a harder sell as long as he can duck behind shields, especially once merge happens. On 3, yeah, it could have worked to get out Sandra (as Malcolm got out Phillip) but it doesn't inherently improve his position going forward. It arguably hurts him since he's now come off as a kind of crazy player who you can't really trust. That's the thing. Going rogue here means betraying 5 tribemates and putting them all at risk. So even if it works out the way JT wants with Sandra going, he had no guarantee of that so any of the other 4 should be sketched out. After all, what happened to Malcolm could have happened to any of them. That's why I think 2 would have been the middle ground play between "conservative play" and "game changer" because if you get a couple of people on your side before Tribal then (a) you're not betraying them and (b) you can make a more blatant push at Sandra and hopefully get the other tribe on board. That leaves you with way less post Tribal work to do. I don't think the move was worth it at all since he seemed to be doing a good job integrating into his tribe and they weren't targeting his ally Brad. If I was JT I would have played for the merge there. But if he was set on making the Sandra move it should have been more premeditated/overt and not so reckless.
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Mar 26, 2017 20:45
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JT will win this game.
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Mar 26, 2017 22:39
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LostRook posted:less laughter is right, assuming you don't count Terry as a quit in Second Chances. I only mention it because it was brought up in the thread, as I remember. i feel like terrys situation is a little different than most quits since his son was about to undergo heart surgery. I feel like he and his son probably come back on the next blood vs water along with shane and boston
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Mar 27, 2017 00:36
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i've found the single greatest sentence i've ever seen written about survivorquote:During pre-game interviews for Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains, it was revealed by Jeff Probst that if Randy [Bailey] had reached the Loved Ones Challenge in Survivor: Gabon, nobody would have been there to see him.
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Mar 27, 2017 00:52
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if JT's goal was to protect Malcolm all he had to do was tell Brad that Malcolm has an idol and that they can't vote for him lmao he would gain (fake) loyalty in Brad's eyes and Sandra would be packing her bags. win-win. lol idiot.
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Mar 27, 2017 01:09
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Capsaicin posted:i've found the single greatest sentence i've ever seen written about survivor Probst: "And here we have Randy's closest loved one, an intern who has $5 on him in the office pool and really wants him to win!"
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Mar 27, 2017 01:10
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Watching that last tribal again, I think Hali comes out OK on her current tribe. She was working to move the vote, and didn't give away the presence of the idol. JT on the other hand . . .
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Mar 27, 2017 05:13
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Capsaicin posted:i've found the single greatest sentence i've ever seen written about survivor before the show started: Jeff Probst performed Eminem’s “Lose Yourself” for the contestants,
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Mar 27, 2017 07:03
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Max posted:Watching that last tribal again, I think Hali comes out OK on her current tribe. She was working to move the vote, and didn't give away the presence of the idol. JT on the other hand . . . It doesn't exactly say good things about J.T. when he was effectively out done by Hali.
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Mar 27, 2017 09:59
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I guess J.T. is just not the Survivor mastermind we had thought he was after all!
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Mar 27, 2017 10:18
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After Hali's tribe pissed her off, I don't understand why she didn't out Tai's idol.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:06
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sportsgenius86 posted:After Hali's tribe pissed her off, I don't understand why she didn't out Tai's idol. 1. She might not have known about it. Tai found the idol and showed it to his tribe, but Hali wasn't in the shot. 2. She'd be stuck in a really bad position if she's blatantly defied them like that. Like it or not, she's going back to camp with these people. They would honestly probably not mind throwing a challenge to both get rid of a Mana member and someone who's actively undermining them. The best thing for her is to lay low til the merge.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:11
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Max posted:Watching that last tribal again, I think Hali comes out OK on her current tribe. She was working to move the vote, and didn't give away the presence of the idol. JT on the other hand . . . Yeah, they could hold it against her that she thought about flipping but she was already at the bottom of the Tribe and they were pretty much antagonizing her during that thing by constantly questioning and quasi-threatening her. The reasonable response would be for them to say "Ok, Hali, you were backed into a corner and you did what you thought you had to do. We can respect that." But in the worst case she's just in the same "odd man out" position she was in before Tribal. Although if Brad knew that Hali was pushing for him to be the target he could certainly hold that grudge. And he seems to be the relative power of the Tribe. But again, she was already Target #1. It was worse for JT because he seemed to actually be ingratiating himself with his tribe. Plus his tribe wasn't questioning/antagonizing him the way Hali's was.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:55
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, they could hold it against her that she thought about flipping but she was already at the bottom of the Tribe and they were pretty much antagonizing her during that thing by constantly questioning and quasi-threatening her. Yeah, you can also see Sierra asking if it was her, and Hali soft comfirms it by saying "I'm trying to move the vote." Even if Brad is annoyed, Hali is probably good in Sierra's book. She's probably still at the bottom, you're right, but not in an active "lets just throw it and get rid of her" way.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:20
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