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Smuggler's Copter has seen some Modern play, but it's not ridiculous because there's a million ways to take it out.
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uPen posted:The racer is in vintage, copter is fun in cube. I think Skysovereign also sees Vintage play (or at least, it did before Walking Ballista came out), because Mishra's Workshop is a fair card.
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Mar 25, 2017 04:24
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Entropic posted:When I first got back into it about 6 years ago, there was only one LGS in town and it was normal to get 20+ for Standard FNM. And no one in town drafted regularly. We have 101 players today.
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Mar 25, 2017 04:42
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Elyv posted:I think Skysovereign also sees Vintage play (or at least, it did before Walking Ballista came out), because Mishra's Workshop is a fair card. They should've restricted shops instead of lodestone and chalice.
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Mar 25, 2017 04:47
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Star Man posted:Smuggler's Copter has seen some Modern play, but it's not ridiculous because there's a million ways to take it out. I'm trying it out in modern death and taxes and it's been real good. Protects you from sweepers and it's not like your making bolt any more live against you.
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Mar 25, 2017 04:51
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Pontius Pilate posted:They should've restricted Gush instead of lodestone and chalice. FTFY
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Mar 25, 2017 04:53
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Angry Grimace posted:We have 101 players today. Are you in a major metro area? I'm in a city of ~100,000 in the middle of nowhere.
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Mar 25, 2017 04:54
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little munchkin posted:I'm trying it out in modern death and taxes and it's been real good. Protects you from sweepers and it's not like your making bolt any more live against you. When you're tapping your only creature to activate it, it sort of is.
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Mar 25, 2017 05:08
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Entropic posted:When I first got back into it about 6 years ago, there was only one LGS in town and it was normal to get 20+ for Standard FNM. And no one in town drafted regularly. If standard wasn't such an absolute dog poo poo format then yea, maybe attendance in standard wouldn't be crashing in a lot of places (it also dried up here but FNM drafts go strong).
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Mar 25, 2017 05:15
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Entropic posted:Are you in a major metro area? I'm in a city of ~100,000 in the middle of nowhere. That isn't a normal number for anywhere as far as I know.
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Mar 25, 2017 05:19
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Angry Grimace posted:That isn't a normal number for anywhere as far as I know. For at least one shop in texas it is. Before standard was poo poo you could double that number across all the formats.
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Mar 25, 2017 05:21
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I'm in northern Ontario. We regularly get 30-50 for pre-releases, and Standard was 20-30 for a while but it's absolutely plummeted lately. Draft has picked up somewhat but hasn't nearly made up for standard losses. There's some modern, but not at FNMs.
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Mar 25, 2017 05:25
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Bob finally getting the respect he deserves from investors.
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Mar 25, 2017 06:11
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Entropic posted:I'm in northern Ontario. We regularly get 30-50 for pre-releases, and Standard was 20-30 for a while but it's absolutely plummeted lately. Draft has picked up somewhat but hasn't nearly made up for standard losses. There's some modern, but not at FNMs. I'm in Alaska. We used to routinely draw in ~20-30 for FNM standard, and then 8-16 for drafts. These days they're lucky to fire a standard event (usually get the same 5-10 grinders), while drafts will typically fire 2-3 pods. Similar to your store, while standard attendance has taken a big hit the attendance in other formats don't really make up for it.
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Mar 25, 2017 06:16
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A decade or so ago my area had a dozen shops across five towns, each of which would get 30+ people for standard FNM every week and at least that many for saturday drafts. Now half those shops are closed, there's no standard scene anywhere, and the biggest of the stores can barely get drafts to pop. Prerelease for Aether Revolt had 17 people. E: This is southern NH, for reference.
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Mar 25, 2017 06:16
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Star Man posted:Reprint
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Mar 25, 2017 06:31
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Faceless Butcher and/or Fiend Hunter would make my day. Same with O-ring.
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Mar 25, 2017 06:35
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Maybe if you armchair designers who don't know the full story would think for a moment instead of whining about the lack of removal, you'd realize that there's a method to their madness.
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Mar 25, 2017 06:40
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Maybe if you armchair designers who don't know the full story would think for a moment instead of whining about the lack of removal, you'd realize that there's a method to their madness. We have to wait until Chandra levels up enough in the story to learn how to bolt things
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Mar 25, 2017 06:42
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Chamale posted:Pyramids is on the Reserved List, but I'd love to see a Cyclopean Mummy reprint. The game needs more reprints of classic, cool cards to be limited filler. There's something neat about how Cyclopean Mummy's ability was shortened using modern templating of "dies" and "exile".
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Mar 25, 2017 06:43
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Maybe if you armchair designers who don't know the full story would think for a moment instead of whining about the lack of removal, you'd realize that there's a method to their madness. Ahhh yes noted company WotC, famous for it's amazing business decisions and long term strategy surely has a plan you guys! Reminder: This is a company that views "people want to buy our product and are willing to throw money at us" as a problem.
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Mar 25, 2017 09:37
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Hull (UK) had a pretty terrible magic scene with one overpriced shop pulling in 8-10 spikes in for alternate standard/draft weeks. This started to tail off with the expensive standard period of fetchable duals. This last year we have had a second shop open who have done an excellent job of getting in more casual people with fair pricing, more flat prizes and a more interesting rotation of FNM formats. Flashback drafts, modern along side regular standard/draft nights. They are pulling 20/25 for gameday and pre-releases and 16 regularly for FNMs. For our area it seems less about the format and more about the community. The older shop basically scared off half the player base with top heavy prizes and a stale environment. The new place has people turning up with their whatever deck and having fun. Standard events have great numbers as it isn't the only thing to do.
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Mar 25, 2017 10:12
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Mar 25, 2017 10:22
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Siivola posted:Has Standard ever been good? Innistrad/RTR standard was great, RTR/Theros standard was great, Theros/Khans standard was great. Standard just totally sucking seems to be a more recent thing.
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Mar 25, 2017 10:35
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Siivola posted:Has Standard ever been good? Alara-Zendikar standard was pretty great. People threatened suicide over Bloodbraid Elf and blue being weak before Jace, the Mind Sculptor, but it wasn't that oppressive.
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Mar 25, 2017 10:39
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Jabor posted:Innistrad/RTR standard was great, RTR/Theros standard was great, Theros/Khans standard was great.
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Siivola posted:Has Standard ever been good? Standard was almost always really good with the exceptions of the times mirrodin & kamigawa was in rotation. I don't know anything after the latest fetch standard set but siege rhino really ruined the standard experience in a way that wasn't overpowered but was totally unfun
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Tonetta posted:Standard was almost always really good with the exceptions of the times mirrodin & kamigawa was in rotation. I don't know anything after the latest fetch standard set but siege rhino really ruined the standard experience in a way that wasn't overpowered but was totally unfun Kamigawa/Ravnica was apparently pretty good, but I wasn't playing then so I don't know if it's true or not
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Mar 25, 2017 11:28
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GeneX posted:Kamigawa/Ravnica was apparently pretty good, but I wasn't playing then so I don't know if it's true or not I missed out on kamigawa almost entirely because mirrodin was bad.enough to make me temp quit and kamigawa had jitte, which literally every deck ran 4 of regardless of how many creatures it played, because the legendary rule would kill it, was enough to make me wait until that poo poo was gone too
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Mar 25, 2017 11:33
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It's probably true that some formats older than 5 years old would not hold up if put under the scrutiny of today's larger, hyperconnected competitive scene.
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Siivola posted:Has Standard ever been good? I seem to be in a minority on this one, but I quite enjoyed Standard while it was LOR/SHA and Alara. Also, Zendikar was the only time that standard Landfall strategies were any good, so that was fun.
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Tonetta posted:I missed out on kamigawa almost entirely because mirrodin was bad.enough to make me temp quit and kamigawa had jitte, which literally every deck ran 4 of regardless of how many creatures it played, because the legendary rule would kill it, was enough to make me wait until that poo poo was gone too Not true. Only aggro decks (Black Hand, etc.) ran Jitte. Kamigawa/Ravnica was very combo oriented, and also owned. Kamigawa/Ravnica was probably the best "modern" standard there has been. Also Mirrodin/Kamigawa was a great standard as well after Affinity ate its bans
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It would be great to have an invitational style format where you had to bid on all possible Standard environments but could then play any deck in that environment if you won the bid. Bids would be starting life and cards in hand.
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Welp, here is the deck I registered. Kinda janky, wish I had more green playables to justify putting that basker in, but oh well. I went ahead and sleeved up my blues, too, so I have the option to transform into UW flyers, post-board, but without any eagles or drakes, that doesn't seem as strong as the aggro potential of effectively topping my curve at three (assuming improvise is online for the sweatbrawlers and regent) Wish me luck! St0rmD fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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InterrupterJones posted:I seem to be in a minority on this one, but I quite enjoyed Standard while it was LOR/SHA and Alara. Also, Zendikar was the only time that standard Landfall strategies were any good, so that was fun. LOR/ALA standard was weird as hell and the mana was completely and utterly broken even moreso than KTK/BFZ standard, but it was fun as heck to play and had a lot of neat deck types that never showed up anywhere else again. Really, all of the standards between Kamigawa and Zendikar were 8/10 at worst. It was a great time to play Magic.
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The Shortest Path posted:LOR/ALA standard was weird as hell and the mana was completely and utterly broken even moreso than KTK/BFZ standard, but it was fun as heck to play and had a lot of neat deck types that never showed up anywhere else again. The one standard deck I wish I could go back in time and play was 5-color Cruel Ultimatum.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:10
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Esper Charm into Cryptic Command into Cloudthresher into Broodmate Dragon into Cruel Ultimatum was the best curve.
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GeneX posted:Kamigawa/Ravnica was apparently pretty good, but I wasn't playing then so I don't know if it's true or not It was the best. Zoo existed, Land destruction was good, there was a B/R Tron control and LD deck, Maga Traitor of Mortals combo deck, and some others. Was a really solid format. I played 4 color Zoo adding in Bob for card draw and removal in the form of putrify and mortify, which won me my JSS if anyone remembers those.
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LOR/ALA had my favorite deck of my favorite archetype (turbofog) so I nominate that as the best standard.
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Masques/Invasion had Counterspell, Undermine, Absorb, and Fact or Fiction and Wrath of God all in the same WUB control deck. Those were the days
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