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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Jippa posted:Every one was expecting it for so long. That is the power of terrorism. It's the the threat of it that works more than the actual acts. This low level psychological background noise. The Daily Mail is probably one of the country's most successful terrorist organisations then.
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Mar 25, 2017 08:43
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big scary monsters posted:The Daily Mail is probably one of the country's most successful terrorist organisations then. You could make a good case that the mail/express influenced jo cox's killer. I see Arron Basnks constantly accused of it any time he posts on twitter.
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Mar 25, 2017 08:46
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Pissflaps posted:Pret A Manger have a plan to solve their looming problem of Brexit disrupting their recruitment by 'hiring' children to work 30 hours a week making their lovely sandwiches. Subway's doing their Apprenticeships to become a loving sandwich maker as well. Whip the piss out of Subway bosses.
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Mar 25, 2017 08:47
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Jippa posted:You could make a good case that the mail/express influenced jo cox's killer. I see Arron Basnks constantly accused of it any time he posts on twitter. Stochastic terrorism
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Mar 25, 2017 09:18
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quote:Pret said the new work experience programme was part of efforts to take on the “long-term challenge that Pret and the wider industry must meet to ensure hospitality is seen by Brits as a serious career choice”.
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Mar 25, 2017 10:26
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Pissflaps posted:Pret A Manger have a plan to solve their looming problem of Brexit disrupting their recruitment by 'hiring' children to work 30 hours a week making their lovely sandwiches.
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Mar 25, 2017 11:03
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What's their actual justification? Because paying kids minimum wage for a week is hardly going to cost them and fits neatly with their whole 'making the industry appealing' shtick. Or is this just one of those unapologetically cynical 'because they think they can get away with it' situations.
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Mar 25, 2017 11:14
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They've already backed down: https://twitter.com/Pret/status/845578170355105792
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Mar 25, 2017 11:32
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poo poo-a-Manger
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Mar 25, 2017 11:37
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LemonDrizzle posted:It actually is, at least among the voters the Labour group was targeting: they're specifically seeking to represent the people who actually live in the City region, which includes a number of council blocks. One of the guys in the Labour council group wrote a couple of posts explaining the group's history: That's cool - although I guess, if the place is so heavily partitioned, this is about the best they can hope for? Still good but basically no chance of taking any control? ThomasPaine posted:What's their actual justification? Because paying kids minimum wage for a week is hardly going to cost them and fits neatly with their whole 'making the industry appealing' shtick. Or is this just one of those unapologetically cynical 'because they think they can get away with it' situations. They have so many foreign workers because they can't seem to hire brits - they finally realised it's because we actually want to be paid in sandwiches e- that tweet is a masterclass in spin
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Mar 25, 2017 11:38
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Corporate language is a beautiful thing in its own way. I always admire things like how they use "we'd like to confirm" to mean "we're completely changing our position".
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Mar 25, 2017 11:38
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It's also completely flat out illegal. 1. Internships must be paid if they are replacing work which would normally be done by a paid member of staff. 2. Pret are worried their paid members of staff will leave following Brexit. 3. This leaves work to be done. 4. If this work is filled by an internship, it is automatically work which would normally be done by a paid member of staff. 5. See 1. Guillotines at dawn. Sadly, gently caress all will be done about this because there a) simply isn't the will - look at MP's and their 'internships' (which overly benefit kids of rich/London parents who can afford to work for free, therefore cementing their place in the political system) and b) the public has been conditioned to look down on waiting/service/fast food jobs as 'something done by kids, no self respecting adult would work in McDonalds, they need to get a proper job.' This makes it much easier to offer not to pay.
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Mar 25, 2017 12:02
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Give it time, brexit hasn't even barely begun yet. One day you'll be happy for a sandwich.
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Mar 25, 2017 12:13
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Our economy will be based on sandwiches and sandwich exports, idiot!
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Mar 25, 2017 12:28
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Not that i'm in favor of loving sandwich shops offering ''apprenticeships' I suspect it was just a miscommunication from the dope who put the original ad out.
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Mar 25, 2017 12:38
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Douglas Carswell has left UKIP to sit as an independent MP, leaving the party with zero MPs and zero Short money: http://www.talkcarswell.com/home/job-done--thank-ukip/3237
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Mar 25, 2017 12:54
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Carswell is an impressive piece of poo poo.
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Mar 25, 2017 13:02
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Anti-brexit march at several places in the city, gotta get my liberal elite rear end off and get to one even if protesting will do jack-poo poo (not ironic)
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Mar 25, 2017 13:11
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LemonDrizzle posted:Douglas Carswell has left UKIP to sit as an independent MP, leaving the party with zero MPs and zero Short money: http://www.talkcarswell.com/home/job-done--thank-ukip/3237
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Mar 25, 2017 13:13
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Seaside Loafer posted:Not that i'm in favor of loving sandwich shops offering ''apprenticeships' I suspect it was just a miscommunication from the dope who put the original ad out. Why? Apprenticeships are usually terrible pay, and this was only meant to be for a week - I mean they're calling it the Big Experience Week, it's basically work experience. I'm surprised they actually get given a sandwich instead of having to make one in the storeroom while nobody's watching
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Mar 25, 2017 13:14
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LemonDrizzle posted:Douglas Carswell has left UKIP to sit as an independent MP, leaving the party with zero MPs and zero Short money: http://www.talkcarswell.com/home/job-done--thank-ukip/3237 According to this BBC article they just lost about £650,000 a year  That being said, with the poo poo Aaron Banks was sying about potentially winding up the party, they may be on their way out as a party anyway. I look forward to all the same cunts forming a new party called NorseFire in the next year or two...
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Mar 25, 2017 13:16
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LemonDrizzle posted:Douglas Carswell has left UKIP to sit as an independent MP, leaving the party with zero MPs and zero Short money: http://www.talkcarswell.com/home/job-done--thank-ukip/3237 Good. Can we now move on with treating UKIP with all the seriousness that the press treat other 0 MP parties like the Socialist Labour Party, the British National Party & the Liberal Party?
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Mar 25, 2017 13:17
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baka kaba posted:Why? Apprenticeships are usually terrible pay, and this was only meant to be for a week - I mean they're calling it the Big Experience Week, it's basically work experience. I'm surprised they actually get given a sandwich instead of having to make one in the storeroom while nobody's watching
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Mar 25, 2017 13:17
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The East is the last Kipper bastion, he would have at least guaranteed they had one MP coming out of the next election. They'll never die but they're out of limbs at this point.
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Mar 25, 2017 13:18
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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Seaside Loafer posted:I dont know im just kind of in favor of people being paid for their time, call me an old traditionalist if you like. What're you some kind of communist??
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Mar 25, 2017 13:19
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This is a great headline pic Seaside Loafer posted:I dont know im just kind of in favor of people being paid for their time, call me an old traditionalist if you like. Well yeah obviously, I meant why would you assume it was a miscommunication and not exactly what they planned I'm wondering if it's meant to be a sneaky backdoor way of hiring some British people so they can just ignore all those pesky foreign applicants. Start a 'work experience scheme' for people in school/college, then offer some of them a job
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Mar 25, 2017 13:22
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Beats this one
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Mar 25, 2017 13:26
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Seaside Loafer posted:I dont know im just kind of in favor of people being paid for their time, call me an old traditionalist if you like. There really should be some sort of ban on fake apprenticeships for piss poor, worthless service sector jobs. Apprenticeships where you actually learn a trade, cool. But a shelf-stacking apprenticeship? A call centre call handler? Get hosed with that poo poo. First job I got out of school was in an IT call centre, basically just logging faults for people and passing them down the line with the occasional first line fix when possible. Barely better than minimum wage but it was fine for a first job out of school. A decade later I ended up back in Inverness, & saw that company who had hired me back in 2003 were using the apprenticeship poo poo. It started out with useful stuff, a route to second line support, remote support, server support, stuff you could actually make a career in but eventually it was just apprenticeships for even the most basic job that any one could do with a couple of weeks training. Infuriating that apprenticeships were just being used to pay kids less than I got years ago with exactly the same qualifications. And of course, who the gently caress is going to hire me at 32 when you can hire a 17 year old £3.40 an hour as a fake apprentice?
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Mar 25, 2017 13:27
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Ireland introduced a similarly exploitative "JobBridge" scheme after the GFC which was inevitably exploited by abusive employers. Everybody bitched about it all the time and made it a doorstep issue for campaigners, and now it's gone.
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Mar 25, 2017 13:30
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Gonzo McFee posted:Carswell is an impressive piece of poo poo. Carswell's always struck me as the 'principled but strangely naive' type. I think he joined Ukip genuinely believing it to be some bastion of British freedom and has been dismayed to find it's actually a toxic snakepit of lunatics. Funny to think it's only a few months since the press were pushing Paul Nuttell as the new working class face of Ukip, who were poised to seize the Midlands and North from Labour. In a year or two now, Ukip's going to be a squabbling remnant like the BNP.
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Mar 25, 2017 13:35
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I've got a random question: I just saw an article in a French right-wing newspaper interviewing a French professor, who says that the Westminster attack spelled the "death toll of the British multicultural dream" (no less). He's also saying that Sadiq Khan had ties to "islamist organisations close to the Muslim Brotherhood" (the MB and Tariq Ramadan are often used as boogeymen by French laïcité culture warriors, in case you're wondering). Because of this, he says British authorities see Khan as a way to "better control [radical islamists] network and prevent violence". This is the kind of thing UKIP and the usual suspects in the press also said about Khan, wasn't it? The thing about ties to radical islamists, that is, not specifically the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Mar 25, 2017 13:40
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Kassad posted:I've got a random question: I just saw an article in a French right-wing newspaper interviewing a French professor, who says that the Westminster attack spelled the "death toll of the British multicultural dream" (no less). He's also saying that Sadiq Khan had ties to "islamist organisations close to the Muslim Brotherhood" (the MB and Tariq Ramadan are often used as boogeymen by French laïcité culture warriors, in case you're wondering). Because of this, he says British authorities see Khan as a way to "better control [radical islamists] network and prevent violence". This is the kind of thing UKIP and the usual suspects in the press also said about Khan, wasn't it? The thing about ties to radical islamists, that is, not specifically the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Mar 25, 2017 13:41
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He was a human-rights lawyer, you can probably work the rest out
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Mar 25, 2017 13:43
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Oh yeah, I know this is all a crock of poo poo. I'm just trying to see if I can paint it as parroting from the xenophobic far-right without being wrong about that. Since I'm trying not to make poo poo up if I can help it, unlike that guy.
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Mar 25, 2017 13:46
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LemonDrizzle posted:Khan's about as closely tied to radical islamists as he is to the KKK.
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Mar 25, 2017 13:55
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I would have thought that incident where the Eastern European neo-nazi murdered a Muslim pensioner and tried to bomb a mosque a few years back would have been a better example of the end of the multiculturalist dream, if one were inclined to believe such a thing was happening. "Being too inclusive has allowed people from nations with violent right wing nationalist movements to come here and
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Mar 25, 2017 13:56
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Guavanaut posted:I would have thought that incident where the Eastern European neo-nazi murdered a Muslim pensioner and tried to bomb a mosque a few years back would have been a better example of the end of the multiculturalist dream, if one were inclined to believe such a thing was happening. It wouldn't fit the narrative he's trying to paint. He's one of a bunch of politicians and public "intellectuals" (lol) trying to attack a new crop of grassroots antiracist groups that are criticising the state more than older, more established antiracist groups (who also have more ties with government institutions). Many of the people in these newer groups are also proud of their Muslim faith, as part of a general trend among French Muslims in their 30s or younger, and the argument is that this puts them in opposition with French society (understood as secular and less sexist). It's less about inclusiveness than about a perceived a lack of assimilation and fears that it's fracturing French society, with some neighbourhoods being "lost territories" controlled by drug dealers and Islamists (like the Fox News lies about no-go zones). Obviously, that means he has to say things are going to hell in the UK since it would prove him wrong if the same thing wasn't happening.
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Mar 25, 2017 14:19
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Well I suppose you can make the argument that minorities (including political minorities) are less likely to agitate against establisment power and work outside that system if they feel they have representation within it. I don't know how much radicalised Muslims would care that Sadiq is mayor or whatever, but it makes sense that having Muslims in prominent positions limits the sense of exclusion and the grievances that rise from it. To what degree and how much the 'British authorities' see it as an effective control, you'll have to ask the professor to back up those claims which I'm sure he has being a respectable academic and all But things aren't going to hell here, unless you're talking about the rise of the far right which seems a lot more worrying and widespread than some vague threat of general Muslim extremism. The only people claiming this is some game-changing event are the usual right-wing shitheads hyping their own 'oh no the brown hordes' narratives
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Mar 25, 2017 14:50
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Seen a lot of people posting that meme and a lot of people sharing this article, which I feel is worth giving a read. https://medium.com/@seanboneill/our-response-to-terrorist-attacks-is-like-much-else-becoming-automated-b44fbf256989#.f9ra7ti9h
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https://twitter.com/MomentumBury/status/845611367042297856 Some pictures from Momentum's first conference. Surprise surprise, they don't exactly fit the narrative that the membership is entirely dewy-eyed students playing at politics.
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