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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
| Total: | 510 votes | ||
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 Labour need more strong chins. The worst snipe. The Fiat 131 Mirafiori small/medium family car produced from 1974 to 1984.
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Mar 25, 2017 15:12
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I can't get enough of are Dan 
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LemonDrizzle posted:They've already backed down: Thank you everyone who took part in my boycott - just shows you that people power works.
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Mar 25, 2017 15:22
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So there's literally nothing on the BBC News site about the massive pro-EU march going down in London right now. Hmm.
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Mar 25, 2017 15:24
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baka kaba posted:Well yeah obviously, I meant why would you assume it was a miscommunication and not exactly what they planned Yeah but Pret is far too big to actually get away with paying below minimum wage to foreigners. Surely they'd just promote more those minimum wage positions/ pay above minimum wage if they have a lack of applicants? It's not like EU workers (& assorted minorities) are somehow uniquely skilled that they don't need instruction, if anything you'd expect more instruction to be necessary due to cultural factors. Though there's something deliciously ironic about limits on immigration dropping wages of the lowest-paid working class, somehow. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Mar 25, 2017 15:26
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Private Speech posted:Yeah but Pret is far too big to actually get away with paying below minimum wage to foreigners.
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Mar 25, 2017 15:32
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/MomentumBury/status/845611367042297856 
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Mar 25, 2017 15:51
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TinTower posted:So there's literally nothing on the BBC News site about the massive pro-EU march going down in London right now. Hmm. I think you'll find its far more important to cover someone leaving a political party that now has zero MPs, and that media bias is just some tinfoil hat conspiracy. Cue the telegraph not running any story on it, and the heil and the s*n burying it 40 articles down...
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Mar 25, 2017 15:53
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Don't Lol me posted:I think you'll find its far more important to cover someone leaving a political party that now has zero MPs, and that media bias is just some tinfoil hat conspiracy. The Telegraph published a comment piece about it in the paper; the Guardian are liveblogging it. Then again, I'm concerned that UKIP having zero MPs will cause the BBC to give them more coverage. 
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Mar 25, 2017 15:54
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Don't Lol me posted:I think you'll find its far more important to cover someone leaving a political party that now has zero MPs, and that media bias is just some tinfoil hat conspiracy. Certain posters deciding the media is actually fine and all upstanding honest people is the worst revisionist poo poo to ever happen in this thread.
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Mar 25, 2017 15:57
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Oops I was wrong, heil is doing an article about the "fury" instilled by those anti Brexiter protesters by daring to go near the site of the attack. Classy.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:07
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Don't Lol me posted:Oops I was wrong, heil is doing an article about the "fury" instilled by those anti Brexiter protesters by daring to go near the site of the attack. Ah yes, that backwater corner of Little England known as Westminster Bridge where no protest ever has ever converged.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:10
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To be fair to media there are regular protests and often quite large ones, obviously there should be coverage that it happened but unless they're actually quite a militant group at the protest or are involving powerful groups who are close to actually achieving their aim then there isn't really much to report other than 'X0,000 people feel strongly about something.'
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Mar 25, 2017 16:25
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Alistair Campbell is speaking at the protest.Alistair Campbell posted:The media in this country is a right-wing cartel of tax-dodgers that pretends to speak for their readers when they speak for themselves and their own vested interest. Nice you're finally catching on, shame you didn't consider saying any of this when you were actually in a position of power.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:27
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namesake posted:To be fair to media there are regular protests and often quite large ones, obviously there should be coverage that it happened but unless they're actually quite a militant group at the protest or are involving powerful groups who are close to actually achieving their aim then there isn't really much to report other than 'X0,000 people feel strongly about something.' Every. Single. loving. Voxpop.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:27
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namesake posted:there isn't really much to report by this standard it should be dominating the rolling news channels!
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Mar 25, 2017 16:31
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Coohoolin posted:Every. Single. loving. Voxpop. I don't understand this post
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Mar 25, 2017 16:31
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baka kaba posted:by this standard it should be dominating the rolling news channels! There's two kinds of nothing to report: those that feed into the editors biases about what's important and those which go against them. Guess which gets a reporter sent to it!
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Mar 25, 2017 16:34
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Pissflaps posted:Thank you everyone who took part in my boycott - just shows you that people power works. I congratulate you on your successful campaign and look forward to much more direct activism from you in the future. Can't wait to find out the next target for your wrath.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:43
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forkboy84 posted:I congratulate you on your successful campaign and look forward to much more direct activism from you in the future. Can't wait to find out the next target for your wrath. Thank you for putting aside your issues to give credit where it's due.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:48
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Proud to have stood together in solidarity with my brothers and sisters in the UKMT, looking forward to celebrating our victory with a nice avocado and toasted pine nut wrap, made fresh from delicious all-natural ingredients, washed down with a harmonious and organic Green Good Stuff smoothie, available at Pret a Manger now. Doing the right thing... naturally.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:56
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I dont know why they bother with all this 'sandwich artist' bullshit. Even your most dopey age 16 school leaver knows thats bollocks. Why not tell it as it is and say something like 'full time minimum wage reliable work, if you turn up on time for a couple of months we will give you a raise and make you a supervisor. we understand that you might want to move on from this drudgery the moment you find something better but you never know you might actually like it and you could end up be being a manager after a year or 2'
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Mar 25, 2017 17:28
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/MomentumBury/status/845611367042297856 The criticism of Momentum is that old Trots and other people who are basically opposed to Labour have joined Momentum as a way of either taking over or destroying the Labour Party. The students aren't the problem, they're what's good about it.
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Mar 25, 2017 17:50
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TinTower posted:So there's literally nothing on the BBC News site about the massive pro-EU march going down in London right now. Hmm. Maybe they should all walk across the bridge in defiance of possibly not being able to walk across bridges.
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Mar 25, 2017 17:52
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TinTower posted:So there's literally nothing on the BBC News site about the massive pro-EU march going down in London right now. Hmm. HuffPo has a nice piece, and I see Tim Farron has been speaking. http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_58d67cd9e4b02a2eaab48312?ir=UK Tim posted:“We are here to show solidarity and respect for those who voted leave. We do not believe they wanted this. I don't think there will be an election before we quit the EU but if there is, I think I'll vote LibDem. Would it make sense for someone who wants to stay in the EU to vote differently? Here are some signs: https://twitter.com/bignickguff/status/845610585828085760
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Mar 25, 2017 18:03
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And to follow up on scary Eastern laptops and "what could they possibly do to stop car attacks", I give you: Westminster attack: car hire firms urged to tell police about suspicious customers
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Mar 25, 2017 18:03
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Paxman posted:I don't think there will be an election before we quit the EU but if there is, I think I'll vote LibDem. Would it make sense for someone who wants to stay in the EU to vote differently? Yes because the lib dems are basically the tories.
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Mar 25, 2017 18:06
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Paxman posted:HuffPo has a nice piece, and I see Tim Farron has been speaking. Well yes, if you think liberalism is a fine ideology and value the EU then obviously voting for the Lib Dems makes a lot of sense. If however you think liberalism is dreadful, think that the Lib Dems are inherently complicit in every ill we have now because of their 5 years of cosying up to Pigfucker & Gideon, there's actually other pro-EU parties out there you can vote for. Obviously not Labour, but in Scotland or Wales you can vote for SNP or Plaid Cymru because for whatever reason Scottish & Welsh nationalism seems much less anti-EU than English & British nationalism. Dunno about the England & Wales Greens but the Scottish Greens seem alright on Europe. You could join More United but that just seems like the Lib Dems to be honest as well as a couple of pro-EU, pro-free market centrists from Labour & the Tories.
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Mar 25, 2017 18:24
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The worst revisionism in the history of the UKMT is probably around Cleggmania tbh.
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Mar 25, 2017 18:29
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I voted for them because of voting reform (not because I actually wanted them, I was a green at the time) which they did deliver a referendum on, but then no one cared/understood and it didn't work, and well .... sorry about that
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Mar 25, 2017 18:50
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forkboy84 posted:Well yes, if you think liberalism is a fine ideology and value the EU then obviously voting for the Lib Dems makes a lot of sense. If however you think liberalism is dreadful, think that the Lib Dems are inherently complicit in every ill we have now because of their 5 years of cosying up to Pigfucker & Gideon, there's actually other pro-EU parties out there you can vote for. Obviously not Labour, but in Scotland or Wales you can vote for SNP or Plaid Cymru because for whatever reason Scottish & Welsh nationalism seems much less anti-EU than English & British nationalism. Dunno about the England & Wales Greens but the Scottish Greens seem alright on Europe. You could join More United but that just seems like the Lib Dems to be honest as well as a couple of pro-EU, pro-free market centrists from Labour & the Tories. So uh for the 5 out of 6 of us or so in England or Wales you're saying there isn't another pro EU option, on the face of it. 
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Mar 25, 2017 18:51
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Seaside Loafer posted:I voted for them because of voting reform (not because I actually wanted them, I was a green at the time) which they did deliver a referendum on, but then no one cared/understood and it didn't work, and well .... sorry about that How do you feel about Jeremy Corbyn?
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Mar 25, 2017 18:54
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Hoops posted:The worst revisionism in the history of the UKMT is probably around Cleggmania tbh. As one of the few posters remaining from that time I think it's fair to say that most of the people posting now weren't during the 2010 election so the body politic has actually changed..
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Mar 25, 2017 18:55
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Pissflaps posted:How do you feel about Jeremy Corbyn? (I swear at some point im going to write a script to search how many times over the various threads how many times you got asked that !)
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Mar 25, 2017 19:05
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That EU march is on the BBC why do people pretend these things get no coverage ?Seaside Loafer posted:JC is the reason I defected from the green party because he is an actual socialist and as such agrees with my worldview and labour as a big movement have a possibilty of actually winning. So you're an ex Green Party member who voted Lib Dem who joined the Labour Party for Jeremy Corbyn.
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Mar 25, 2017 19:05
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Pissflaps posted:So you're an ex Green Party member who voted Lib Dem who joined the Labour Party for Jeremy Corbyn.
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Mar 25, 2017 19:08
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Pissflaps posted:That EU march is on the BBC why do people pretend these things get no coverage ? JC has that much needed cross party appeal.
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Mar 25, 2017 19:12
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Regarde Aduck posted:Certain posters deciding the media is actually fine and all upstanding honest people is the worst revisionist poo poo to ever happen in this thread. The media's always been disproportionately right wing, as have the British people really. Labour used to deal with this by talking a lot about tough choices and so on, while quietly putting up public spending and redistributing wealth. I have no idea what the media strategy is nowadays, but it's not a new challenge. There's an interesting piece about Momentum in the New Statesman where Momentum's founder Jon Lansman talks about this. New Statesman posted:The last Labour government, he says, did one thing and said another: “Wanting a liberal immigration policy while talking tough about refugees and migrants. Having a strong welfare policy and generous tax credits while talking about ‘strivers’ and ‘scroungers’ unfortunately shifted opinion the wrong way.” I don't agree that Labour shifted opinion so much as saw it as immovable and concluded it had to appear to play along with it. E: Probably should have included a link to the article I quoted http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/losing-momentum-how-jeremy-corbyn-s-support-group-ran-out-steam Paxman fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Mar 25, 2017 19:27
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If there's much of a difference between Green party and Labour party policy then at least one of them is doing something wrong.
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Mar 25, 2017 19:32
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Are you going to vote for a member of the PLP in the next election
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Mar 25, 2017 19:35
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Paxman posted:I don't agree that Labour shifted opinion so much as saw it as immovable and concluded it had to appear to play along with it. You don't think the government pushing that official narrative influenced opinion at all? It doesn't matter if that kind of prejudice already existed, pandering to it for political gain has repercussions, and makes it easier for the right wing to exploit it even more. Labour ended up 'having to' chase them in 2015 but were basically accepting their premises while being reluctant to completely address them. So you ended up with a platform of "yes the things are necessary, no we're not going to fully implement them". That kind of disconnect between rhetoric and action works when you're in power and putting a PR spin on things, doesn't work so well when you're trying to convince people to vote for you
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