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Genocyber posted:That sounds like how X and Y are balanced, actually. X and Y also have the omni-experience share which makes grinding kinda a non-issue so long as you fight the trainers.
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X and Y have an experience curve almost as bad as Gen 2. I don't know why they went away from the scaled experience system that was in Gen 5.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:40
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PoptartsNinja posted:We have. shhh shhh, let the kid make their long post about stuff we've already talked about, they were so excited to post!
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Mar 25, 2017 16:43
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WrightOfWay posted:X and Y have an experience curve almost as bad as Gen 2. I don't know why they went away from the scaled experience system that was in Gen 5. x and y exp curve is way less bad if you turn off exp share sun and moon, funnily enough, have an exp curve that seems specifically designed around having exp share on, since some fights are actually pretty hard even with it (mostly thinking of the lurantis fight here)
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Mar 25, 2017 16:47
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Shiva Asori posted:that may be but it also leads to bad design decisions like having a pokemon evolve at lvl 72. ...Jeeze, and I thought Rufflet evolving at 54 was a bit much. Good job one-upping the official games in bad ideas, Uranium.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:48
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mandatory lesbian posted:sun and moon, funnily enough, have an exp curve that seems specifically designed around having exp share on, since some fights are actually pretty hard even with it (mostly thinking of the lurantis fight here) Yeah, by the time I got to the final fight with Alien Mom, my team was the exact same level as theirs.
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Mar 25, 2017 16:51
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mandatory lesbian posted:x and y exp curve is way less bad if you turn off exp share I spergily hate exp share because IM LEVELING THIS SPECIFIC ONE DAMMIT
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Mar 25, 2017 16:57
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Shugojin posted:I spergily hate exp share because IM LEVELING THIS SPECIFIC ONE DAMMIT sounds like a personal problem
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Mar 25, 2017 17:05
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Exp share is a sin because only my starter deserves love. I beat Heart Gold with my starter and two HM slaves who never saw battle. Let me tell you, even at level 99 typhlosion takes some real damage from the elite 4 rematch.
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Mar 25, 2017 17:10
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If you don't use the experience share at all in X/Y you end up super underleveled towards the end of the game. Like lower leveled than wild pokemon so repels don't even work. You kind of have to micromanage the experience share if you want to keep from being significantly over or underleveled.
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Mar 25, 2017 17:21
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Barudak posted:I beat Heart Gold with my starter and two HM slaves who never saw battle. Let me tell you, even at level 99 typhlosion takes some real damage from the elite 4 rematch. That's because even if Typhlosion is The Best Pokemon, it's also a fire-type that wasn't built to be a tank so anything with Water or Ground (or Rock) type moves that looks at it funny will be able to gently caress it up. Fire is a really bad type, defensively, despite only having three weaknesses - entirely because those three weaknesses are super common filler with strong, accurate moves (EQ and Surf, mostly) on almost everything. It doesn't help that its resistances are far less common overall - only Grass 'mon (or Sunnybeamers) run grass moves, only Bug-types (or Psychic killers) run Bug moves, nobody pre-gen 6 ran Steel moves. WrightOfWay posted:If you don't use the experience share at all in X/Y you end up super underleveled towards the end of the game. Like lower leveled than wild pokemon so repels don't even work. You kind of have to micromanage the experience share if you want to keep from being significantly over or underleveled. X/Y has a renewable source of Trainer battle EXP. It's kind of expensive to use, but it pays for itself with the Amulet Coin. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Mar 25, 2017 |
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Mar 25, 2017 17:22
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KataraniSword posted:nobody pre-gen 6 ran Steel moves. metagross and scizor both ran steel moves in gen 5 tyvm you will know the pain of meteor mash and bullet punch
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Mar 25, 2017 17:27
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mandatory lesbian posted:metagross and scizor both ran steel moves in gen 5 tyvm --I absolutely forgot about the hell that is Technician'd Bullet Punch. I didn't play in Gen 5 competitive.  But even then, that puts it in the same place as Megahorn or Energy Ball - it's being run by something that will already get melted by a Fire-type anyway.
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Mar 25, 2017 17:29
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yeah, you're point isn't wrong or anything, just bullet punch scizor was like, the one thing i remember from gen 5 OU
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Mar 25, 2017 17:33
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Barudak posted:Exp share is a sin because only my starter deserves love. if you were like me your other pokemon were only there so you could use revives when your starter inevitably dies
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Mar 25, 2017 18:13
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mandatory lesbian posted:yeah, you're point isn't wrong or anything, just bullet punch scizor was like, the one thing i remember from gen 5 OU It was also 4th gen OU. Bronzong, Forretress, and Ferrothorn love their Gyro Ball. Jirachi had its 60% flinch on Iron Head. Bisharp and Excadrill could run Iron Head if they wanted. Magnezone sometimes had Flash Cannon. Lucario had Bullet Punch but not Mach Punch. Escavalier, Steelix, Cobalion, Durant, Klinklang, all ran STAB moves too. And Metagross has its Meteor Mash, of course, probably the first really relevant Steel move, showing up in 3rd gen unlike those guys using 4th gen moves. Steel became a much more relevant type with Fairy since Fairies are frequently badass, and with Metagross and Lucario mega-evolving and Celesteela showing up and proclaiming itself the boss, but it showed up before then.
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Mar 25, 2017 18:15
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oh right bullet punch was in gen 4 too, i forgot about all that technician man, what an ability
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Mar 25, 2017 18:18
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mandatory lesbian posted:technician man, what an ability The reason Scyther hasn't been able to get Bug Bite since... what, Emerald?
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PoptartsNinja posted:The reason Scyther hasn't been able to get Bug Bite since... what, Emerald? It's been a tutor move since Gen IV.
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Mar 25, 2017 18:27
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WrightOfWay posted:It's been a tutor move since Gen IV. Has it? I could've sworn they added it into the move tutor in the third game of one gen and then removed it immediately the next.
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mandatory lesbian posted:sun and moon, funnily enough, have an exp curve that seems specifically designed around having exp share on, since some fights are actually pretty hard even with it (mostly thinking of the lurantis fight here) I keep seeing people complain about the Lurantis fight but I really don't get it. My Torracat absolutely demolished it and its Castform buddy.
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Mar 25, 2017 20:34
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serefin99 posted:I keep seeing people complain about the Lurantis fight but I really don't get it. My Torracat absolutely demolished it and its Castform buddy. The Totem bosses can be really tough or really easy, depending on how the RNG goes. Most teams can't handle 5-6 consecutive Solar Blades.
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Mar 25, 2017 20:41
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:
I had to look the name Celesteela up as someone who quit playing Pokemon a long long long time ago, and wow, when did Pokemon become Digimon?
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Mar 25, 2017 21:46
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serefin99 posted:I keep seeing people complain about the Lurantis fight but I really don't get it. My Torracat absolutely demolished it and its Castform buddy. i feel the same way when people complain about the wishiwashi fight, which i had no trouble with but a lot of people apparently got walled by. different people have different experiences
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Gologle posted:I had to look the name Celesteela up as someone who quit playing Pokemon a long long long time ago, and wow, when did Pokemon become Digimon? That Pokemon is in a group of Pokemon that are straight up aliens, which is why they don't look like normal Pokemon. serefin99 posted:I keep seeing people complain about the Lurantis fight but I really don't get it. My Torracat absolutely demolished it and its Castform buddy. A lot of the difficulty really comes from team setups considering how variable they can be. Game Freak is usually good at providing an easy mode option if needed, through a TM or a specific Pokemon that can help demolish the challenge if people choose to use it.
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Lurantis was tough, mostly because I let it get away with setting up sunny day Mimikyu kicked my rear end from monday to sunday because I had nothing that resisted Fairy but all of that was still more fair than whatever the hell that Heatwave pokemon is
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PoptartsNinja posted:Has it? I could've sworn they added it into the move tutor in the third game of one gen and then removed it immediately the next. It wasn't in Platinum but it was in HG/SS, maybe that's what you are thinking of.
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Mar 25, 2017 22:32
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Simsmagic posted:if you were like me your other pokemon were only there so you could use revives when your starter inevitably dies Pretty much how I played too. I mean, I still caught all the Pokemon. But since my starter was my first, and already the highest level... I just figured, why not keep using him? Sure, I could have a like, fully kitted out, balanced team... Or just one really buff Pokemon that can oneshot basically anything even with type disadvantage for anything in the normal game. It just seemed more time efficient.
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krisslanza posted:Pretty much how I played too.
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OneAngryGamer just wrote an article about some inter-group problems with Sage. I wonder how slanted the article is based on who spoke to the writer, but if true its certainly discouraging to hear.
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Mar 25, 2017 23:57
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Looking at the headline in the hyperlink, you can take that garbage article the gently caress out of here already.
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TravelLog posted:OneAngryGamer just wrote an article about some inter-group problems with Sage. I wonder how slanted the article is based on who spoke to the writer, but if true its certainly discouraging to hear. this is the stupidest loving article I've ever read
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Mar 26, 2017 00:04
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given that it's some trump supporter feeling bullied by 4chan people of all things and the writer of that article has an avatar of rorschach with a mention of 'rustling jimmies' i'm going to assume that it's just some whiny weirdo trying to find somewhere to complain
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Mar 26, 2017 00:06
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TravelLog posted:OneAngryGamer just wrote an article about some inter-group problems with Sage. I wonder how slanted the article is based on who spoke to the writer, but if true its certainly discouraging to hear. actually its pretty encouraging to hear that a racist got kicked off the team
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Mar 26, 2017 00:13
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independent of politics, imagine how much of a ween you have to be for 4chan people to actively be annoyed by you
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Mar 26, 2017 00:15
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like in the comments the other devs came on and talked about the writer was a piece of poo poo (with screencaps) and well you're an idiot travelLog for treating it as anything but positive
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Mar 26, 2017 00:16
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TravelLog posted:OneAngryGamer just wrote an article about some inter-group problems with Sage. I wonder how slanted the article is based on who spoke to the writer, but if true its certainly discouraging to hear. Hilarious read tho
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It's a dumb article written by someone with an agenda, sure, but that doesn't mean the worry about the team being cooperative and not still ridden with internal strife going on isn't valid. The slant I was talking about was in terms of the sources, not the writer. It could just be three ex-team members making poo poo up, or equally, it could be actual issues going on.
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I'm going to say that a creative project is not an appropriate place for a political fight.
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given that other people involved with it came into the comments and more or less said 'this is a weird amount of cherrypicked crap and we kicked the dude because he sucked at his job' i have a feeling that there's way less strife involved than some are trying to make it out to be
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