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Mar 22, 2017 20:37
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Better Fred Than Dead posted:I guess I don't subscribe to a specific religion or anything so I have a difficult time understanding the precise issue and I've always been a pretty staunch atheist. I don't think anybody has been arguing against the value of support groups in general, just that prescribing one particular flavor (e.g., AA) over another is not paying due diligence to the needs of the person being addressed. AA and related 12-step programs are not for me, for instance, but that doesn't mean I think nobody should use them. I'm fond of Refuge Recovery, but I'm not under the delusion that it would be a good fit for everyone. Not only are people different, but each person's addiction is different. For instance, you describe having denial be a significant part of your process, whereas for me denial was essentially absent - this leads to very different expressions of what may be otherwise similar addictions. Trying to advocate too much for a single path to recovery inevitably means a significant number of people are going to fall off it.
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Mar 22, 2017 22:46
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I don't think anybody has been arguing against the value of support groups in general, just that prescribing one particular flavor (e.g., AA) over another is not paying due diligence to the needs of the person being addressed. AA and related 12-step programs are not for me, for instance, but that doesn't mean I think nobody should use them. I'm fond of Refuge Recovery, but I'm not under the delusion that it would be a good fit for everyone. Not only are people different, but each person's addiction is different. For instance, you describe having denial be a significant part of your process, whereas for me denial was essentially absent - this leads to very different expressions of what may be otherwise similar addictions. Trying to advocate too much for a single path to recovery inevitably means a significant number of people are going to fall off it. Good point. I don't wanna be shoving people into holes or anything. It's good to be reminded of differences that I can take for granted or something that might seriously affect someone else's recovery.
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Mar 22, 2017 23:50
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Better Fred Than Dead posted:I guess I don't subscribe to a specific religion or anything so I have a difficult time understanding the precise issue and I've always been a pretty staunch atheist. But, that is literally the opposite of what AA says. You even mentioned step 1 which is: 1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable. I'm talking pointless semantics here and everyone does their own thing which is good as long as it works for them but I just had to point that out since it's literally AAs first starting point. It's meant to be taken exactly how it's read.
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Mar 23, 2017 00:01
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Better Fred Than Dead posted:Connecting with you with supportive people who've been through the same wringer as you is really the focus anyway. Otherwise you have people saying "75 drinks a week!! That's nothing. Call me when you've learned how to really drink" Competitive alcoholism is sad, but it sure can be fun to watch. 2 guys who have been trying to out-bender each other on week 3 of the bender stumbling into the bar and telling stories makes for a great afternoon. Just don't run into them after 8pm. Do we have a thread like this for smokers? I need to quit smoking and reading about others fighting the same thing helps(I haven't wanted to drink near as much since I started reading this thread!).
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Mar 24, 2017 19:09
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RFC2324 posted:Do we have a thread like this for smokers? I need to quit smoking and reading about others fighting the same thing helps(I haven't wanted to drink near as much since I started reading this thread!). Post that poo poo here! We support quitters of all varieties, I've been off of the weed for two weeks now after being a nearly nightly weeder for 4 years.
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Mar 24, 2017 19:16
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today I'm gonna be high on opiates and red bull and a full pack of menthols and a gram of weed. gonna be a good day. gently caress sobriety
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Mar 24, 2017 19:41
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Mar 24, 2017 19:42
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I quit smoking cigarettes a couple years after I quit drinking. Having the previous experience helped a lot. I used Nicorette gum on-and-off for three or four months. Some days I'd do all gum, others I'd have like 5 cigs and 10 pieces of gum, and a couple days just smoke a whole pack. Sometimes I'd buy a pack, smoke 3, and then throw the rest away. Eventually I just didn't want either of them. I did also smoke weed throughout. Still haven't quit that. The time is coming but... not yet. BTW the benefits of quitting booze and cigs (and other stuff) are innumerable. My body isn't in pain, my brain feels far less broken. When I go outside, I go much more than 50ft from a doorway. Hell, I even floss regularly.
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Mar 24, 2017 20:40
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I fell off the wagon this week. I drank the past 4 or 5 days. I also started buying cigarettes like a loving idiot. My last pack is almost gone and I have plenty of tools around here to help (patches, gum, e-cig). I don't know what caused the drinking this time. There's usually something behind it but I can't remember. I want to stop tonight.
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Mar 24, 2017 20:55
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Sorry you've been having a difficult time. I can't remember if it was brought up earlier in the thread or not, but have you tried journaling? Keeping a diary of sorts can be really helpful, and might also be useful in figuring out some of the behavioral patterns you are engaging in. Being able to read back my thoughts from days or weeks previous was immensely valuable to me at a couple points in my life. I'd recommend keeping it somewhere where you know it is private, and can write without editing yourself.
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That is a good idea but I hate writing. I used to use an app called eMoods that I would use to keep track of my brain cycles so I could see trends but having an idea of what leads up to these things in writing would probably be enormously helpful. Now that I think about it, you can enter notes. I remember emailing the developer suggesting a higher character limit for the notes and he obliged. I should check that out again.
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Mar 24, 2017 22:55
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ah yes, the pennywise fail thread. poor penny cant get honest with himself and is doomed to a life of living in a dumpster sucking off hobos for sterno. pathetic (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 25, 2017 02:43
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I just was honest though.  The last part is true though. Also, suck my drat balls.
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Mar 25, 2017 02:44
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the pulled pork im making needed a cup of wine for the recipe ... I guess the rest is for me 
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Mar 25, 2017 02:46
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Nooner posted:the pulled pork im making needed a cup of wine for the recipe ... I guess the rest is for me Idiot nooner! I'm drunk rn
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I just was honest though. You seem to not hate writing when it's forums posts, maybe you should write some poo poo here or in E/N? Might help! Good luck brother
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Mar 25, 2017 03:16
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Non-e/n tldr: i moved in with a group/pair of individuals within the last 6 months. they do pot, xanax, coke, acid and mushrooms a few times a month. (weed/xanax several times, coke a few times a week and psychodelics a few times a month.) I dont want to pander by saying i try new things. i have done many of the drugs they have, but i genuinely believe they are hurting themselves with this behavior. they do it ritually and one of my roommates has increased since a tragic event. When it comes to people you dont know well, do you get concerned with their patterns? When does it stop? Housemate? Coworker? Would you let a person continue with unhealthy habits if it didn't interfere with your life?
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Mar 25, 2017 03:16
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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:Would you let a person continue with unhealthy habits if it didn't interfere with your life? This was hard for me personally because I've been doing way better in my life since I started smoking weed. Like I don't have to worry about money at all and can buy whatever I want whenever I want (including weed and dougtars!) and have been feeling happy at home (was already married but now I have my two sons) and successful/happy at work (fulfilling job and $$$$). I still don't really know why I quit, maybe because it bothered me to feel compelled to smoke as soon as I got home each night? And I didn't like not remembering everything as clearly as when I'm sober? But it was always in the back of my mind that I became more successful by each of the metrics I find important AFTER I started smoking weed years ago. So I don't know that interfering with life is always the best metric, I feel happier off of it I think, but I wasn't unhappy before? It's hard because then I tell myself that I don't need to quit, what negative effect was it really having? I'll still take Klonopin occasionally, but that's less frequently than my psych who prescribed it assumed/prescribed it for. And I'll still take opiates if we have leftovers and my head is killing me. Maybe I just quit in order to convince myself I can actually quit if I want to? I've still got weed in the house, but a few weeks in it doesn't really bother me (but maybe still feels good as a safety net? Probably not healthy.) I also feel dumb because it's just weed and I know that it's really nothing, especially compared to what you guys are going through, but when you do something every day for 4 years it feels like it's a lot bigger.
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Mar 25, 2017 03:27
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Pennywise the Frown posted:That is a good idea but I hate writing. I used to use an app called eMoods that I would use to keep track of my brain cycles so I could see trends but having an idea of what leads up to these things in writing would probably be enormously helpful. You could try using Google Voice, which I first learned to use for texting on my smartphone. A friend told me how to send it as an email, so you could mail it to yourself, and then put it into a file. Just a thought. And of course I hope you'll keep talking to us about how you're feeling.
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Again, much appreciated. I know GBS isn't the place for this but here we are. Voice notes. Now that is an interesting idea. There is probably an app that can record and organize my notes. I've done the whole emailing myself before for numerous things but I want a better structure. Very good idea.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Again, much appreciated. I know GBS isn't the place for this but here we are. I don't know why it wouldn't be the place for this. If we have threads like [insert literally any thread in the list] in GBS, why doesn't this one belong?
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Mar 25, 2017 05:11
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Stay sober my friends.
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Mar 25, 2017 05:37
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I get drunk off cheap beer and strip naked. I walk through my backyard in the moonlight and crawl into a big pile of wet leaves so I can feel all the creeping thibgs writhe all over my skin
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Mar 25, 2017 05:40
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Gonna watch John Wick laterr
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Big Centipede posted:Gonna watch John Wick laterr How good is John Wick the second time? I've seen it before (haven't seen the second and won't until it's on some streaming service) but don't generally watch a movie multiple times like some crazy people do. I did watch Sicario like 4 times because it's awesome, though.
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SpaceClown posted:Stay sober my friends. too late lol get rekt 
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gosh dangit nooner I thought you were my greatest ally in being an uncool dork
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I feel like I'm puking out of my rear end in a top hat
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500 good dogs posted:Post that poo poo here! We support quitters of all varieties, I've been off of the weed for two weeks now after being a nearly nightly weeder for 4 years. I think my biggest problem with quitting smoking is actually drinking. My wife loves going to the bar once or twice a week to the point that she is horrified if i try to get out of it. She is also the major force behind me quitting smoking (i know i should for my health, and am pretty tired of doing it after 22+ years) but also probably the biggest obstacle. I think of we stopped drinking for a few months i could quit petty easily. I also set a condition on her of quitting chewing her nails so she can be giving up a bad habit with me, but she refuses, and since i gave myself that escape i can fail at quitting with no guilt. gently caress i make allot of excuses to smoke.
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Stopped smoking weed less than a week ago since I'm trying to land a job that requires me to quit using illicit substances. I don't really smoke alone, but most of my friends are at least social smokers and a lot of my meetings with them revolve around weed. This makes it incredibly hard to quit. Yesterday was my first real challenge. I was at a party where everybody smoked and I wanted to inhale that first puff of the evening so bad, it was driving me insane. I tried drinking alcohol as a replacement, but it just wasn't the same. Like a lot of my other friends, I lost the taste for alcohol after switching to weed. I hope it will get easier over time, but I'm sure the first month will be really lovely. I need to find a way to have fun with my friends (while they're high) while being completely sober. It's not that their company is impossible to enjoy without weed, but being sober with a high person sucks. Any advice?
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H.H posted:Stopped smoking weed less than a week ago since I'm trying to land a job that requires me to quit using illicit substances. I can tell you not to try to do the things you really enjoyed while high! You'll be disappointed and feel even more like you need to smoke if you try watching cartoons or whatever, realize it's pretty dumb, but that your experience could be transformed into something magical with a few puffs of the magic grass. I've been trying to find new things to do instead. For example I watched TV a lot when I smoked, so now I'm trying to play more video games, which sounds dumb but I never really did that high so it keeps me busy, I have fun, and my mind is off of it.
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Nooner posted:too late lol at the risk of sounding like I care anything about your stupid life, start working out you might have one sleepless night, take some nyquil or something
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Ice Blue Mink posted:I can tell you not to try to do the things you really enjoyed while high! You'll be disappointed and feel even more like you need to smoke if you try watching cartoons or whatever, realize it's pretty dumb, but that your experience could be transformed into something magical with a few puffs of the magic grass. I've been trying to find new things to do instead. For example I watched TV a lot when I smoked, so now I'm trying to play more video games, which sounds dumb but I never really did that high so it keeps me busy, I have fun, and my mind is off of it. This is generally good advice, but the thing I enjoy while high is my friends. I can't give them up. This is the problem I've been trying to solve for myself ever since I started thinking about quitting, long before the job thing, when I started feeling too dependent on weed.
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H.H posted:This is generally good advice, but the thing I enjoy while high is my friends. I can't give them up. You could try becoming that dick who is always loving with his friends while they are high, thats always fun
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You could try working out. Like go do a serious workout before meeting up with your friends. You'll feel happier with your body/health/brain as a result and it should help stave off the need to smoke (if you're already chill and happy).
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Ice Blue Mink posted:You could try working out. Like go do a serious workout before meeting up with your friends. You'll feel happier with your body/health/brain as a result and it should help stave off the need to smoke (if you're already chill and happy). That's actually a really good idea. I stopped a few months ago (cos I'm a lazy gently caress), but I definitely need to get back to it.
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working out is more effective towards sobriety than A.A. and all you need is yourself
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ra tehuti posted:working out is more effective towards sobriety than A.A. and all you need is yourself And a gym membership.
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