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short version of refineries: they're cool + good
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Mar 23, 2017 20:14
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And gives me a reason to finally finish my rorqual training. Since I will only have 1 rorq, but can still pull in all my own moongoo for my reactions (hopefully)
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Mar 23, 2017 20:17
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big parcheesi player posted:And gives me a reason to finally finish my rorqual training. Since I will only have 1 rorq, but can still pull in all my own moongoo for my reactions (hopefully) Wouldn't hold your breath on this one; it's likely that they'll retain the same moon mineral map. (Read: regional R8s and R32s.)
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Mar 23, 2017 20:32
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I'm currently mining most of the R16s that I need. So I'd at least do that. And I'm waiting to see what the policy will become for the R64 goo that I am currently buying from the alliance.
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Mar 23, 2017 20:53
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big parcheesi player posted:I'm currently mining most of the R16s that I need. So I'd at least do that. And I'm waiting to see what the policy will become for the R64 goo that I am currently buying from the alliance. I'm not an authority on anything like that for the alliance, but in general terms, it'd be pretty much impossible for the alliance to capture the moongoo output of the region with it being harvested by individual miners. I can try to run a buyback for it, and make the goo so purchased available for resale, but that would be it. I'll likely have to discontinue the moongoo contracts thing when refineries come out, as buybacks are unreliable sources of materiel at best.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:09
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:I'm not an authority on anything like that for the alliance, but in general terms, it'd be pretty much impossible for the alliance to capture the moongoo output of the region with it being harvested by individual miners. I can try to run a buyback for it, and make the goo so purchased available for resale, but that would be it. I'll likely have to discontinue the moongoo contracts thing when refineries come out, as buybacks are unreliable sources of materiel at best. There will be a thing called "Mining Ledger". Each Refinery structure with an active moon drill will keep track of all the mining done in its associated belt, logging the character, corporation, ore type and amount mined.
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Mar 23, 2017 21:57
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BlackOps Prospect fleets will be coming for the enemy's moon minerals 
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Mar 23, 2017 22:08
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Orange Red Bull posted:lol drat Pretty typical whining. RIP big fleet fights, lowsec will be dead without POS, time zone tanking, citadel are too strong, and variations thereof abound. I will probably train into at least a Prospect just in case I happen across some juicy moon rocks I can steal though.
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Mar 23, 2017 22:10
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April Fool posted:There will be a thing called "Mining Ledger". Each Refinery structure with an active moon drill will keep track of all the mining done in its associated belt, logging the character, corporation, ore type and amount mined. The mining ledger merely lets you know what's already done. Trying to run enforcement on a scheme like "ensuring all the mined material ends up in alliance hands" is a hideous, unfun, unnecessary amount of work.
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Mar 23, 2017 22:21
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mining ledger = taxes, not collect goo from the miners Also I'm super loving all the TEST guys angry about medium citadel reinforcement, all because they're tired of cleaning up astrahouses in their new space. But it was fiiiiine when they were dropping astrahouse beachheads in Catch to invade it.
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Mar 23, 2017 22:45
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:The mining ledger merely lets you know what's already done. Trying to run enforcement on a scheme like "ensuring all the mined material ends up in alliance hands" is a hideous, unfun, unnecessary amount of work. Yes, no one will do it for nothing.
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Mar 23, 2017 23:14
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April Fool posted:Yes, no one will do it for nothing. Sure. So, rather than pay someone to beat their head against the wall, why not use softer forms of control?
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Mar 23, 2017 23:26
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:The mining ledger merely lets you know what's already done. Trying to run enforcement on a scheme like "ensuring all the mined material ends up in alliance hands" is a hideous, unfun, unnecessary amount of work. So- you're saying NC. will add it to their rental contract?
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Mar 23, 2017 23:38
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Xolve posted:So- you're saying NC. will add it to their rental contract? That is expecting a bit much ingenuity.
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Mar 23, 2017 23:42
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:That is expecting a bit much ingenuity. Uncle SUAS Buyout program?
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Mar 24, 2017 00:37
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The best and most entertaining way to deal with mining is to issue quotas. The entertaining part is the fact you get to cut off hands if they don't meet their quota.
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Mar 24, 2017 01:14
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Belgian Congo in space
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Mar 24, 2017 01:59
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Klyith posted:mining ledger = taxes, not collect goo from the miners I haven't heard too much whining from the inside. I'm sure there's some poo poo on Reddit but we've long since stopped trying to get the godawful posters to stop posting. And considering we're the "Reddit Alliance" the number of godawful posters is staggering. What's more hilarious is the Tri Stratios fleet taking down three carriers and a Mino. FC, smartbombs? 
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Mar 24, 2017 02:21
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amazeballs posted:I haven't heard too much whining from the inside. I'm sure there's some poo poo on Reddit but we've long since stopped trying to get the godawful posters to stop posting. And considering we're the "Reddit Alliance" the number of godawful posters is staggering. Those probably aren't shield stratios which makes it less funny than you think. An AB/Armor stratios can still push out respectable dps against a carrier sized sig and tank pretty well. Anything not tanked is being picked up by the space priest legions. I'm not shocked they didn't lose anything. EDIT: if they dump geckos they can nuke a carrier fast, if it smartbombs they just yank the drones kite out a bit and redrop sentries. Double Edit: Lol neut stratios too with ECM in the mids. SEE SLIM I TOLD YOU. Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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Mar 24, 2017 05:18
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:The mining ledger merely lets you know what's already done. Trying to run enforcement on a scheme like "ensuring all the mined material ends up in alliance hands" is a hideous, unfun, unnecessary amount of work. You just take the ledgers at the end of the month and charge a tax based on the results. Did someone ninja your moon goo? Tough poo poo. Guard your stuff better, or write it off as an expense.
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Mar 24, 2017 05:47
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Ynglaur posted:You just take the ledgers at the end of the month and charge a tax based on the results. Did someone ninja your moon goo? Tough poo poo. Guard your stuff better, or write it off as an expense. Yeah but what the other guy seemed to be suggesting was using the ledger to make everyone "turn in" the moongoo, and then I guess pay them a bounty for mining it? That could be enforced if moongoo was strategically vital to keep in alliance hands. Thankfully it's not and local reaction farmers can just put up local buy orders and the rest can get shipped to Jita. But it does mean that OTEC or something like it will never happen again. Rhymenoserous posted:Those probably aren't shield stratios which makes it less funny than you think. An AB/Armor stratios can still push out respectable dps against a carrier sized sig and tank pretty well. Anything not tanked is being picked up by the space priest legions. I'm not shocked they didn't lose anything. They were fit with ECM to defang the carrier fighters, it was very much a comp designed to counter a JU- style rescue. Smartbombs would clear the stratios drones though, ending with the two fleets starting at each other with no DPS.
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Mar 24, 2017 06:14
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Rhymenoserous posted:Those probably aren't shield stratios which makes it less funny than you think. An AB/Armor stratios can still push out respectable dps against a carrier sized sig and tank pretty well. Anything not tanked is being picked up by the space priest legions. I'm not shocked they didn't lose anything. post your email or buy premium so I can message you on here
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Mar 24, 2017 06:17
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I'm out in catch with a scout and a myrmidon when next door to my drag I'm watching three horde sabres setup a drag bubble. After it anchors they all cloak right on the edge for some reason??? So I just warp in with my myrmidon and start going buck loving wild and to my glee they decide to man the gently caress up. On a myrmidon. 3 sabres decide that when fighting a loving myrmidon the best place to be is point blank.
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Mar 24, 2017 06:33
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amazeballs posted:I haven't heard too much whining from the inside. I'm sure there's some poo poo on Reddit but we've long since stopped trying to get the godawful posters to stop posting. And considering we're the "Reddit Alliance" the number of godawful posters is staggering.
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Mar 24, 2017 09:29
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Ynglaur posted:You just take the ledgers at the end of the month and charge a tax based on the results. Did someone ninja your moon goo? Tough poo poo. Guard your stuff better, or write it off as an expense. That's pretty much what will probably happen. If we can be bothered.
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Mar 24, 2017 12:09
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Klyith posted:
Nah, they had sentries in case someone got smart. Reverand maynard posted:post your email or buy premium so I can message you on here Just pm me on goonfleetdotcom 
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Mar 24, 2017 14:12
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:That's pretty much what will probably happen. If we can be bothered. If I am not mistaken, moon goo will be double taxed - first to refine, then to react. Heck there will even be two further levels of tax, assembling the components and building the actual items. 4 opportunities to collect your dane-gold.
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Mar 24, 2017 19:40
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grymwulf posted:If I am not mistaken, moon goo will be double taxed - first to refine, then to react. Heck there will even be two further levels of tax, assembling the components and building the actual items. 4 opportunities to collect your dane-gold. If the raw materials aren't exported or they're not melted in an alliance refinery.
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Mar 24, 2017 19:44
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Since the moon minerals will need to be refined, I'm betting there will be a high chance that they will add a skill to improve the refine of it, just like the ore/ice. Wishful thinking they wrap it in with some of the other reprocessing skills like scrapmetal reprocessing.
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Mar 24, 2017 19:50
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:If the raw materials aren't exported or they're not melted in an alliance refinery. That is where we need to look at the specifics of implementation: Will raw moon ore be compressible? Will it even be able to be refined in hisec? Will the refinery fees be able to be tracked via API and a lower bound imposed by imperial fiat? Efficiency of null vs low? Bonus for holding sov a la supercap production? Can we price refining fees in the sweet spot between cheaper to refine locally or cheaper to ship?
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Mar 24, 2017 20:48
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Centipedes? In my vagina?
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Mar 25, 2017 04:06
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I would think the simplest solution is to basically say if you have a refinery on this moon you pay X a month or we explode your poo poo. Let who ever wants to take the effort in getting it sort it out after.
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Mar 25, 2017 05:15
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:I'm not an authority on anything like that for the alliance, but in general terms, it'd be pretty much impossible for the alliance to capture the moongoo output of the region with it being harvested by individual miners. I can try to run a buyback for it, and make the goo so purchased available for resale, but that would be it. I'll likely have to discontinue the moongoo contracts thing when refineries come out, as buybacks are unreliable sources of materiel at best. Make GSOL mine it as soon as it spawns 
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Mar 25, 2017 10:26
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Zephyrine posted:Make GSOL mine it as soon as it spawns 
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Mar 25, 2017 15:29
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Zephyrine posted:Make GSOL mine it as soon as it spawns 
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Mar 25, 2017 16:56
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Lol this game is going into the shitter it seems
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Mar 25, 2017 20:22
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Syndic Thrass posted:Lol this game is going into the shitter it seems why, because of refineries?
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Mar 25, 2017 20:33
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:i know, im trying to make that guy be less of a bad poster! Good luck with that. I don't try hard enough besides it's time for pizza.
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Mar 25, 2017 21:52
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Reverand maynard posted:counter point: CCP is really good at make dumb decisions that result in them making less money, although usually its by driving paying customers away Like pushing a patch that hosed up a lot of people's OS?
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Hollow Talk posted:"We’re still in the process of determining how much or little we may need to adjust distribution of moon minerals" is also code for "let's see how many people we can make quit because we changed all moon materials around, so I hope you like to redo one of the most mind-numbing things available in the entire game, namely to moon scan every single loving moon everywhere". NB4 Reddit poo poo-storm when all the good moon-goo ends up in Delve.
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