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lmao https://twitter.com/mikeprysner/status/845821364904718336
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Mar 26, 2017 03:54
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The Democratic Party has become the platonic ideal of Self Ownage
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Mar 26, 2017 03:59
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the democratic party needs to be loving destroyed already
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Mar 26, 2017 04:04
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Larry Website was on Discourse Collective recently, and was open about DSA needing to confront whether there's even a space for them in the Democratic Party at all.
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Mar 26, 2017 04:06
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Larry Website was on Discourse Collective recently, and was open about DSA needing to confront whether there's even a space for them in the Democratic Party at all. there's space for them as stepladders for the would-be kings and queens who run the joint but nothing else
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Mar 26, 2017 04:10
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Larry Website was on Discourse Collective recently, and was open about DSA needing to confront whether there's even a space for them in the Democratic Party at all. As well he should be. I think you'd have to be delusional to look at statements coming out of the Democrats these days and assume entryist tactics won't be a nightmarish uphill battle.
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Mar 26, 2017 04:28
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Larry Website was on Discourse Collective recently, and was open about DSA needing to confront whether there's even a space for them in the Democratic Party at all. But there is an opportunity, if you're willing to expose the corruption of the democrats, and get their internal system to either blow up, or turn on itself.
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Mar 26, 2017 04:40
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Larry Website was on Discourse Collective recently, and was open about DSA needing to confront whether there's even a space for them in the Democratic Party at all. lmao "we must take over the democratic party and turn it into a force for socialism" *encounters slightest sign of opposition* "welp looks like its impossible, america's doomed i guess"
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Mar 26, 2017 05:39
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rudatron posted:I doubt there's a 'space', in that the DSA is going to be perpetually excluded at every turn - they will never be treated as welcome guests, let alone equals. There is the appearance of an opportunity, but left wing challenges to liberal leadership have been crushed by the party before, like when they completely marginalized SDS.
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Mar 26, 2017 05:42
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There is the appearance of an opportunity, but left wing challenges to liberal leadership have been crushed by the party before, like when they completely marginalized SDS. Wondering if there is "space" within the Democratic Party has a simple answer: no. The comparisons between the Tea Party in 2008 and the Bernie/DSA movement in 2016 are interesting but break down pretty quickly. The Tea Party was always focused on the Dem vs Rep divide, and on the defeat of a political enemy (along with a return to a whiter America), but these are values that are not at odds with core Republican values. They never had to make "space" in the Republican party in a meaningful way - it was quickly afforded to them as the movement was correctly seen as a mobilization of otherwise apathetic groups already operating in the Republican framework. The DSA wants to fundamentally alter the status quo that Democrats have worked very hard over the last 4 decades creating. The party is very comfortable with its professional managerial elitism and faux meritocracy, and the treatment of politics as a sporting event where you cheer your side on every 4 years and then leave the smart people alone so they can keep extracting trillions in wealth from the backs of working Americans. Why would there be "space" for that? It would be insanity. They will try to harness the energy and momentum (and donation dollars), but there will be never be a welcome spot for the DSA. If there is, then it will be because the DSA has altered its platform or the Democratic establishment has collapsed entirely.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:23
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The Democratic establishment just rallied against Keith Ellison becoming the DNC chair and he's not even a socialist. You guys have to be prepared for being completely shut out.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:25
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Democratic establishment just rallied against Keith Ellison becoming the DNC chair and he's not even a socialist. You guys have to be prepared for being completely shut out.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:26
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The mistake is treating the democrats as allies-in-waiting, rather than as entrenched elite. Parliamentary power is just one tool to be used, the US system doesn't allow third parties to really work, ergo you have to hijack an existing party, that being the democrats. The democratic party is essentially a battlefield, treat it as such. Either you win, or you destroy it. Destroying it also works, because then a space for a third party is opened up.
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Mar 26, 2017 06:58
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Due to the nature of America's system, political parties must be viewed like a facehugger views humans. Dems are closer and offer less resistance, so they're the ones whose throats the eggs must be shoved down. It doesn't mean they look forward to having a little screeching hammer and sickle explode from their chest in a gory mess
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Mar 26, 2017 08:23
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The Brown Menace posted:Due to the nature of America's system, political parties must be viewed like a facehugger views humans. Dems are closer and offer less resistance, so they're the ones whose throats the eggs must be shoved down. It doesn't mean they look forward to having a little screeching hammer and sickle explode from their chest in a gory mess
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Mar 26, 2017 08:25
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Fallen Hamprince posted:"welp looks like its impossible, america's doomed i guess" unironically me regarding every form of political activism including shitposting on a dead gay comedy forum
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Mar 26, 2017 10:41
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you seem to find that one quite possible
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Mar 26, 2017 12:52
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rudatron posted:the US system doesn't allow third parties to really work, ergo you have to hijack an existing party, that being the democrats. Looks like someone hasn't been paying attention to the political thought of Zaid Jilani, boy genius.
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Mar 26, 2017 13:12
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of course there is no willing room for socialism in the democratic party, and they aren't allies in waiting. i do think there is a value in trying to enter at the local level and take over leadership roles and agitate so long as we're also organizing outside of it. maybe DSA can be the vehicle that sows enough chaos within the dem party that it breaks and dies, i don't know. i think the likelihood of taking it over is pretty far fetched which is why it's important to organize outside of it at the same time. i like the battlefield analogy because it seems like other leftists think DSA has delusions about the democrats becoming socialists, which isn't the case in my experience.
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Mar 26, 2017 15:07
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i also think working within the political system makes sense because currently i don't see a realistic road to taking state power by other means
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Mar 26, 2017 15:08
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Dreddout posted:The Democratic Party has become the platonic ideal of Self Ownage 
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Mar 27, 2017 02:11
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its fun to remember that liberalism failed in the 20th century and spawned fascism and then we went and revived the rotting liberal corpse again hoping for something new
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Mar 27, 2017 02:17
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Liberalism failed in the 19th century too. The UK still has an aristocracy, even. smdh
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I want to know what anarchist seduction is like.
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Mar 27, 2017 13:50
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tadashi posted:I want to know what anarchist seduction is like. "Hello there, would you be in the mood for some mutual aid?" 
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Mar 27, 2017 14:10
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tadashi posted:I want to know what anarchist seduction is like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-c2qnfUNXE&t=157s
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Mar 27, 2017 20:56
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tadashi posted:I want to know what anarchist seduction is like. That pottery scene from the Patrick swayze ghost movie but swayzie is wearing a black hoodie and mask and instead of making a pot they're filling a bottle up with gasoline
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Mar 27, 2017 21:03
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https://twitter.com/marxbot3000/status/846270573391044608
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Mar 27, 2017 21:34
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tadashi posted:I want to know what anarchist seduction is like.
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Mar 27, 2017 23:03
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Lmao I can't believe redneck revolt is a real thing but that's literally my political thought; capitalism has failed anyone who isn't a coastal elite and must be destroyed
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Although it's funny because apparently the closest existing chapter is in L.A. and I wish those people would die of thirst already
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