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Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

Oligopsony posted:

(The Flynn effect stuff also seems to urge caution on the "standardized tests really meaningfully measure in-world reasoning capabilities" front, since past generations, and people in many less-developed countries, should barely be able to tie their shoes.)

It makes some sense if you consider how malnourished, lead-poisoned, etc. a lot of people in the past/in less developed countries were/are, even if you assume that differences in education are irrelevant. (Though this just bolsters the "no need for a genetic etiology" point.)

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Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

ClarkHat's Twitter timeline is a good low-effort source of DE stupidity.

https://twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/843589756642562048

https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/843602005771931653

https://twitter.com/SaucercrabZero/status/843651577810468865

# ? Mar 23, 2017 04:10

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

I'm the guy roleplaying as a Dilbert character

danger-carpet posted:

It probably means parapsychology, given she's on record as an ESP advocate.

Speaking of which....

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/jason-reza-jorjani-stony-brook-alt-right-arktos-continental-philosophy-modernity-enlightenment/

It's like today's nazis are actually determined to live up to every ridiculous stereotype that's formed about them since WWII, right up to the Indiana Jones stuff. I actually kind of hope Peter Thiel finances some of these people, so he can very publically blow his fortune on treasure quests or whatever.

You say that, but it's gonna be way less funny when Peter Thiel unearths the Lance of Longinus and we have to deal with that whole mess

# ? Mar 23, 2017 04:34

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

Sorry, can I go back to this for a second and maybe request some help?

Oligopsony posted:

Yeah, the actual measured distribution isn't particularly controversial; the relevant points of contention are etiology (genetics, nutrition, stereotype threat, whatever) and how successfully IQ measures track in-world reasoning capabilities, whether g makes sense theoretically, and so on.

The case for a genetic etiology seems pretty weak to me in light of the facts that (1) we know that {whatever standardized tests measure} tend to go up among populations over time, most plausibly connected in some way with economic development, (2) black-white standardized tests have been converging for a while, and were converging more rapidly when their economic positions were converging more rapidly, and (3) finding intelligence-linked SNPs seems to have been a pretty huge dud so far (unless this has massively changed in the last year or so?) (The Flynn effect stuff also seems to urge caution on the "standardized tests really meaningfully measure in-world reasoning capabilities" front, since past generations, and people in many less-developed countries, should barely be able to tie their shoes.) The main thing that gets trotted out in favor, the 50-80% heritability number, mostly seems to elide between the connotative and denotative meaning of heritability.

Can you or anyone else perhaps offer some clarification on all this in the form of books or web essays?

I'm just feeling profoundly...disconcerted in my ignorance because my YT Recommendations are being flooded by "Race Realism" videos. I thought it was all fringe lunatics like was list ed on the first page but there are apparently a lot of mainstream scientists who are apparently into this. They insist environmental factors mean nothing and it is genetic.

But I hate science and always have and I slept through my Science For Dummies high school course which was also 10 years ago. But now I eel obligated to try and learn something about studies and poo poo on intelligence and what the evidence says so I don't feel so..."lost" is the right word maybe?

# ? Mar 23, 2017 07:21

BobHoward: Feb 13, 2012; The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

^^^^

It's been a long time since I read it, but I remember Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man being pretty good. It's written for the popular audience, so you don't need a degree in biology to follow along, and it debunks shoddy and/or intentionally fraudulent science used to bolster racism. It's not an up to date book by any means; a lot of it covered historical stuff which was no longer taken seriously even when Gould wrote the book (e.g. I remember a section on phrenology). However, it's still relevant in that much of the newer pseudoscience is the same basic ideas with a new coat of paint. Once Gould has shown you the rot under the surface it's a lot easier to spot the flaws in modern 'race realism'.

Also re: the 'mainstream scientists', be careful when you start to think that because a scientist said something, it is meaningful. One of the big themes in fringe and crank science is that training in one field often seems to enhance the ability to be laughably wrongheaded about another discipline. This happens even with literal Nobel laureates (see: Linus Pauling re: Vitamin C). So pay close attention to whether the PhD talking actually has a PhD and research experience relevant to what they're talking about. And don't automatically take anyone's word that they are giving you a well respected mainstream scientific opinion. A classic thing that cranks do is to just lie about this, or use highly selective quoting to make it look like mainstream scientists support them, and so on.

# ? Mar 23, 2017 08:08

goodog: Nov 3, 2007

Here's a Google Docs archive of scientific anti-racist material, ranging from scientific journals to more easily digestible articles.

The "race realist" knowledge base seems way more intimidating than it really is, because they've spent hours rehearsing talking points that you aren't aware of. Once you understand the dogma and the language, you realise how ridiculous the "science" is, and how it disguises that fact by emulating the pretensions of legitimate scientific research. A common catchphrase among the HDB crowd is that Africans have an IQ of 70. That comes from a statement by Richard Lynn, who said that the entirety of Sub-Saharan Africa was Forrest Gump based on one test that Zulu students took in Apartheid-era South Africa. So the people who base their ideology around the diversity of ethnicities, base their claims that Africans are inferior by projecting one IQ onto the most ethnically diverse continent on Earth.

Naturally there were also some biases working against the students:

quote:

- Some were not used to pencils and could not draw. One boy said it was the first time he ever drew a picture.
- Some were not familiar with line drawings.
- Some did not wear Western clothes and so did not draw people that way.
- Many did not know about telephones, tennis, dollars, miles or other things common in America.

Lynn also just made poo poo up to substantiate his claim. Most of the race "science" you see can be traced back to the Pioneer Fund, including the "Bell Curve". All the Race Realist Youtubers are just repeating the discredited claims of a fringe organisation, which is prominent far beyond its worth because of its relation to reactionary politics. Race Realists in many ways resemble Creationists and Intelligent Designers, an irony because of the overlap between New Atheists and scientific racists on the internet.

# ? Mar 23, 2017 09:22

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

Thank you both for your replies. I gotta bookmark that Google Docs link, so much to read but it is nice to have all that info at my disposal.

Also I should have clarified. The only "mainstream scientist" I saw on YT was Steven Pinker who was in a video called Being Afraid of Race Realism or something like that I just saw it in my Recommendations, didn't watch it. But he's apparently a big name so I wasn't sre what to think.

# ? Mar 23, 2017 09:33

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

NikkolasKing posted:

Sorry, can I go back to this for a second and maybe request some help?
Can you or anyone else perhaps offer some clarification on all this in the form of books or web essays?
I'm just feeling profoundly...disconcerted in my ignorance because my YT Recommendations are being flooded by "Race Realism" videos. I thought it was all fringe lunatics like was list ed on the first page but there are apparently a lot of mainstream scientists who are apparently into this. They insist environmental factors mean nothing and it is genetic.
But I hate science and always have and I slept through my Science For Dummies high school course which was also 10 years ago. But now I eel obligated to try and learn something about studies and poo poo on intelligence and what the evidence says so I don't feel so..."lost" is the right word maybe?

This being precisely what RationalWiki aspires to be for! Our Racialism article is a gold-brained cover article, so that's as close as we come to stuff we totally stand by the quality of. As rhetorical ammo dumps go, we've done our best with it.

# ? Mar 23, 2017 12:05

ContinuityNewTimes: Dec 30, 2010; Я выдуман напрочь

quote:

As we are not a statusful organisation, or a socially recognised university department, people think that we should pay for any scrap of work they do for us, although the useful information and practical experience acquired by working here could be extremely valuable to them, even more so than that gained from working for an organisation with an accepted social position. It would actually be very reasonable, for someone who wanted to develop an association with us, to offer to pay us so much per annum for working here.

Dr Celia Green, Real Academic.

# ? Mar 23, 2017 12:31

Lemniscate Blue: Apr 21, 2006; Here we go again.

OfficialGBSCaliph posted:

Dr Celia Green, Real Academic.

This is why children should never be praised for being "smart".

# ? Mar 23, 2017 13:22

Razorwired: Dec 7, 2008; It's about to start!

OfficialGBSCaliph posted:

Dr Celia Green, Real Academic.

Is this on the same page as her statement of "A university should tenure track me and rent me a hotel suite because I'm such a smart person."?

# ? Mar 26, 2017 04:42

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

OfficialGBSCaliph posted:

Dr Celia Green, Real Academic.

It's like how corporations treat unpaid internships except explicit and even dumber

# ? Mar 26, 2017 07:07

Grace Baiting: Jul 20, 2012; Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.

ate all the Oreos posted:

It's like how corporations treat unpaid internships except explicit and even dumber

What if I told you about a can't-miss opportunity to work not just For Exposure�, but also for ~~negative~~ nonzero wages???

# ? Mar 26, 2017 15:24

Pondex: Jul 8, 2014

Grace Baiting posted:

What if I told you about a can't-miss opportunity to work not just For Exposure�, but also for ~~negative~~ nonzero wages???

And "don't expect academic work", meaning "Do my housework" probably.

# ? Mar 27, 2017 17:59

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

https://twitter.com/makeitsnowondem/status/846799918102708226

# ? Mar 29, 2017 03:51

Magnusth: Sep 25, 2014; _{Hello, Creature! Do You Despise Goat Hating Fascists? So Do We! Join Us at Paradise Lost!}

The Vosgian Beast posted:

https://twitter.com/makeitsnowondem/status/846799918102708226

Perfect

# ? Mar 29, 2017 11:49

Somfin: Oct 25, 2010; In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.; Nap Ghost

The Vosgian Beast posted:

https://twitter.com/makeitsnowondem/status/846799918102708226

Google image search for Matt Forney some time.

Most people have at least one flattering image of themselves somewhere anywhere online.

Matt Forney does not.

# ? Mar 29, 2017 12:06

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

Zoltan Istvan: 600 Miles in a Coffin-Shaped Bus, Campaigning Against Death Itself

New York Times posted:

A couple of days later, at a cafe in San Francisco�s Mission District, he told me of how the novel did not go over well with any of the 656 agents and publishers he sent it to over the previous year. He had spent over a thousand dollars, he said, on postage alone. The book�s cover, which he designed himself, featured a greenish negative image of his own face, in profile, staring into the vacant sockets of a human skull.

�It�s supposed to be like �Hamlet,� � he said. �You know, with the whole Yorick scene? With me facing the prospect of death and all that? But yeah, I�m not sure it really works.�

�I�ve seen worse book covers,� I said, which for all I knew might have been the truth.

He confided that his wife, Lisa, a gynecologist who worked for Planned Parenthood, recently started to express a keen interest in his doing something productive with his life. Lisa had just given birth to their second child and, what with the exponentially growing cost of living in the Bay Area, she was becoming increasingly concerned about the need to begin saving for their two daughters� educations. He explained to me that he was reluctant to fritter away money on such things, given that by the time the girls were in their late teens, it would be possible to upload the informational content of a Harvard or Yale degree directly to their brains and at a fraction of what such an education costs today.

Lisa, he said, was largely tolerant of his views, but drew the line at gambling their children�s futures on the fanciful notion of some imminent technological intervention.

�Obviously she�s a little resistant to transhumanist ideas,� he said, �because in the near future her entire profession will be obsolete. What with actual childbirth becoming a thing of the past. You know, with babies being produced by ectogenesis and whatnot.�

When, some months later, Istvan emailed me about his decision to run for president, I immediately called him. The first thing I asked was what his wife thought of the plan.

�Well, in a way,� he said, �it was Lisa who gave me the idea. Remember how I said she wanted me to do something concrete, get some kind of a proper job?�

�I do,� I said. �Although I�m guessing running for president on the immortality platform was not what she had in mind.�

�That�s correct,� he confirmed. �It took a little while for her to come around to the idea.�

�How did you break it to her?�

�I left a note on the refrigerator,� he said, �and went out for a couple hours.�

New York Times posted:

�I just want to have fun forever,� Horn said at length, guiding a forkful of dry salad leaves toward his pale face. �The 20 years I get from eating the way I do could be the difference between my dying and my getting to longevity escape velocity. I�m holding off on pleasure now so that I can have more pleasure later. I�m actually a total hedonist.�

�You don�t seem even slightly like a hedonist to me,� I said. �You don�t drink, you don�t take drugs. You barely eat. To be honest, you seem like a medieval monk.�

Horn cocked his head to one side, gave the idea some consideration. I didn�t want to raise the topic of sex, but it seemed to hang there, twirling slowly above our heads like the rubber avatar of Death. I didn�t have to, as it turned out: Horn brought it up himself.

�You know one really cool thing about being alive in the future?� he asked.

�What�s that?�

�Sexbots.�

�Sexbots.�

�You know, like A.I. robots that are built for having sex with.�

�Oh, sure,� I said. �I�ve heard of sexbots. It�s a nice-enough idea. You really think that�s going to happen, though?�

�For sure,� Horn said, closing his eyes and nodding beatifically, in momentary reflection upon some distant exaltation. �It�s something I�m very much looking forward to.�

He had a particular way of smiling that was half evasion and half challenge. Out of context, you might be tempted to describe it as smug, but the effect was somehow deeply endearing.

�The problem I have with sexbots,� I said, �is why wouldn�t you just have sex with an actual person? I mean, all things being equal.�

He said: �Are you kidding me? A real girl could cheat on you, sleep around. You could get an S.T.D. You could maybe even die.�

�Is that potentially a bit alarmist?�

�No way, man. It happens literally all the time. See, a personal sexbot would never cheat on you, and it would be just like a real girl.�

He said nothing for a time and drank at leisure from his glass of water. He consumed some further forkfuls of salad. He gazed out the window at the parking lot full of trucks, the Interstate beyond, the ever-present vultures hanging in the air.

I said, �Do you mind me asking if you�ve had bad experiences with people cheating on you?�

�I have so far abstained from sex,� he said. �I have never had a girlfriend.�

�You�re saving yourself for the sexbots?�

He nodded slowly, shrewdly raising his eyebrows. You bet he was saving himself for the sexbots.

�Fair enough,� I said, raising my hands in capitulation. �I hope you live that long.�

He said, �I�m pretty sure I will.�

in which we are reminded that there are transhumanists vastly more annoying than the lesswrong rationalists

# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:13

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

"I don't need to save money for your education, honey, because the matrix will be real and will only cost $5.99 a month for BrainBoxLive subscriptions!"

I hope his little girls nail him in the balls the second they're old enough to realize what a moron this guy is.

# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:16

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Also pretend I posted that animated gif of the japanese guy talking about how anime girls are more "clean" and "pure" than real women because I'm at work and lol if I'm gonna gis for that right now.

# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:21

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

divabot posted:

Zoltan Istvan: 600 Miles in a Coffin-Shaped Bus, Campaigning Against Death Itself

in which we are reminded that there are transhumanists vastly more annoying than the lesswrong rationalists

Holy poo poo, read this article. It's one of the funniest things ever posted in this thread.

# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:38

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Is this the same reporter who went to that MRA / MGTOW meetup? The writing seems similar, they're both pretty good and just kinda "I went to a thing, let me describe it vividly and let it speak for itself as to how messed up it is"

# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:41

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

ate all the Oreos posted:

Is this the same reporter who went to that MRA / MGTOW meetup? The writing seems similar, they're both pretty good and just kinda "I went to a thing, let me describe it vividly and let it speak for itself as to how messed up it is"

Nah, the writer of that one was a woman. Which gave her quite the perspective on an MRA gathering.

# ? Mar 29, 2017 14:53

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAO9YrAXrJs

I wonder if Zoltan Istvan feels wounded that Peter Thiel supported Trump over him

# ? Mar 29, 2017 15:00

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

ate all the Oreos posted:

Is this the same reporter who went to that MRA / MGTOW meetup? The writing seems similar, they're both pretty good and just kinda "I went to a thing, let me describe it vividly and let it speak for itself as to how messed up it is"

nah, but I did find that story on the /r/incel thread (there are more repellent human beings than the Dark Enlightenment)

# ? Mar 29, 2017 15:11

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

divabot posted:

nah, but I did find that story on the /r/incel thread (there are more repellent human beings than the Dark Enlightenment)

Yeah and the /r/incel subreddit is really bad too :v:

# ? Mar 29, 2017 20:36

Baby Babbeh: Aug 2, 2005; It's hard to soar with the eagles when you work with Turkeys!!

Would be very interested in a venn diagram of DE/incel groups. Slightly blurry circle?

# ? Mar 30, 2017 00:41

Blood Boils: Dec 27, 2006; Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Yeah, I only ever hear words like "incel" or "g-knowing" from self-described neoreactionaries.

# ? Mar 30, 2017 01:11

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

Black Bones posted:

"g-knowing"

I don't know this term and it is difficult to google. What does it mean?

# ? Mar 30, 2017 01:44

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

I personally do not want to know, but that's just me

https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/796388921735135232

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2017/3/29/trump-covertly-dismantles-obama-era-lgbt-protections

# ? Mar 30, 2017 01:55

Space Poodle: Nov 11, 2007

divabot posted:

in which we are reminded that there are transhumanists vastly more annoying than the lesswrong rationalists

Can confirm.

http://turingchurch.com/2014/03/19/praise-for-death-is-wrong-a-delicious-transhumanist-book-for-children/

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Death is Wrong is a delicious little book for children and for life-extension advocates of all ages. Written by philosopher and futurist Gennady Stolyarov and illustrated by artist Wendy Stolyarov, the book shows that death is not inevitable, but a disease that can and will be cured by science. I am very pleased to see that Death is Wrong is going viral, with mentions and discussions all over the mainstream Internet.

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Death is a disease, and hopefully future scientists, perhaps including the young readers of the book, will find a cure. Previous generations thought that death is inevitable, and invented delusional fake philosophies to make death easier to accept. This reaction is understandable � if you can�t avoid something, you look for ways to accept it � and explains all usual rhetorical babbling in praise of death: �overpopulation, make room for the young, death is a tool of evolution, boredom after a long life,� and the utterly idiotic �death gives meaning to life.� The book deconstructs all these fake �arguments� and calls them what they are: understandable but pathetic attempts to rationalize the inevitable.

But today�s children will know better: perhaps death is not inevitable, and since it is not inevitable, we should fight it aggressively, and find a cure. I am not very optimistic about the chances of curing death within my own lifetime, but I think there is a good chance to develop indefinite life extension by the end of this century, in useful time for many of today�s children. Or their children. I hope many young readers of Stolyarov�s book will become scientists and engineers, join the war on death, and contribute to the victory.

From the book description: �If you have ever asked, �Why do people have to die?� then this book is for you. The answer is that no, death is not necessary, inevitable, or good. In fact, death is wrong. Death is the enemy of us all, to be fought with medicine, science, and technology. This book introduces you to the greatest, most challenging, most revolutionary movement to radically extend human lifespans so that you might not have to die at all.� After reading the book cover to cover (it is short, an adult can read it in half an hour, and I am sure a young child can read it in one or two days), I am very pleased. The book is simple, crystal clear, accurate yet easy to read, and nicely illustrated.

Have the Stolyarovs found the way to make transhumanist ideas go viral? Perhaps yes. Provocative strong messages get heard, and teaching children that death will be cured is very provocative in today�s dull, defeatist, politically correct cultural climate. I think writing for children forces to keep things clean end simple, without big words and endless caveats, cutting through the noise and getting to the point. Clear, clean, and simple communication focused on the core message, with qualifications and caveats (if they are really needed) in footnotes, is something that transhumanists should practice more, and writing for children is a good way to learn. Bravo Gennady and Wendy Stolyarov! My own thoughts on death can be summarized by gently caress DEATH.

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We May Look Crazy to Them, But They Look Like Zombies to Us: Transhumanism as a Political Challenge
Steve Fuller Sep 8, 2015 lifeboat.com
One of the biggest existential challenges that transhumanists face is that most people don�t believe a word we�re saying, however entertaining they may find us. They think we�re fantasists when in fact we�re talking about a future just over the horizon. Suppose they�re wrong and we are right. What follows? Admittedly, we won�t know this until we inhabit that space �just over the horizon�. Nevertheless, it�s not too early to discuss how these naysayers will be regarded, perhaps as a guide to how they should be dealt with now.

So let�s be clear about who these naysayers are. They hold the following views:

1) They believe that they will live no more than 100 years and quite possibly much less.
2) They believe that this limited longevity is not only natural but also desirable, both for themselves and everyone else.
3) They believe that the bigger the change, the more likely the resulting harms will outweigh the benefits.

Now suppose they�re wrong on all three counts. How are we to think about such beings who think this way? Aren�t they the living dead? Indeed. These are people who live in the space of their largely self-imposed limitations, which function as a self-fulfilling prophecy. They are programmed for destruction � not genetically but intellectually. Someone of a more dramatic turn of mind would say that they are suicide bombers trying to manufacture a climate of terror in humanity�s existential horizons. They roam the Earth as death-waiting-to-happen.

This much is clear: If you�re a transhumanist, ordinary people are zombies.

Zombies are normally seen as either externally revived corpses or bodies in a state between life and death � what Catholics call �purgatory�. In both cases, they remain on Earth beyond their will. So how does one deal with zombies, especially when they are the majority of the population? There are three general options:

1) You kill them, once and for all.
2) You avoid them.
3) You enable them to be fully alive.

The decision here is not as straightforward as it might seem because the prima facie easiest option (2) requires that there are no resource implications. But of course, zombies require living humans (i.e. potential transhumans) in order to exist in the manner they do, which in turn makes the zombies dangerous; hence (1) has always proved such an attractive option for dealing with zombies. After all, it is difficult to dedicate the resources needed to secure the transhumanist goal of indefinite longevity, if there are zombies trying to anchor your existential horizons in the present to make their own lives as easy as possible.

This kind of problem normally arises in the context of ecological sustainability as �care for future generations�: Our greedy habits of mass consumption blind us to the long-term damage it does to the environment. However, the relevant sense of �care� in the transhumanist case relates to sustaining the investment base needed to reach a state of indefinite longevity. It may require diverting public resources from seemingly more pressing needs, such as having a strong national defence � as the US Transhumanist Party presidential candidate Zoltan Istvan thinks. It is certainly true that if people routinely lived indefinitely, then the existential character of �the horror of war� would be considerably reduced, which may in turn decrease both the likelihood and cost of war. Well, maybe�

So what about option (3), which is probably the one that most of us would find most palatable, at least in principle?

Here there is a serious public relations problem, one not so different from development aid workers trying to persuade �underdeveloped� peoples that their lives would be appreciably improved by allowing their societies to be radically re-structured so as to double their life expectancy from 40 to 80. While such societies are by no means perfect and may require significant change to deliver what they promise their members, nevertheless the doubling of life expectancy would mean a radical shift in the rhythm of their individual and collective life cycles � which could prove quite threatening to their sense of identity.

Of course, the existential costs suggested here may be overstated, especially in a world where even poor people have decent access to more global trends. Nevertheless the chequered history of development aid since the formal end of Imperialism suggests that there is little political will � at least on the part of Western nations � to invest the human and financial capital needed to persuade people in developing countries that greater longevity is in their own long-term interest, and not simply a pretext to have them work longer for someone else.

The lesson for us lies in the question: How can we persuade people that extending their lives is qualitatively different from simply extending their zombiehood?

# ? Mar 30, 2017 01:56

Blood Boils: Dec 27, 2006; Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Doc Hawkins posted:

I don't know this term and it is difficult to google. What does it mean?

I think it's a Nick Land phrase. The dorkly enlightened use it as a mantra to ward off disagreement among their atheist and theist fellows, so their discussions don't all devolve into arguing whether God is real or not. There may be more to it than that, these people aren't exactly clear communicators.

# ? Mar 30, 2017 02:00

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I personally do not want to know, but that's just me

https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/796388921735135232

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2017/3/29/trump-covertly-dismantles-obama-era-lgbt-protections

Trump has never been good for LGBT rights in any way. He promised to roll back gay marriage and his VP believes in gay conversion therapy. How anyone can believe that Trump has any interest in improving things for LGBT people is beyond me. Though I guess that it's 99% concern trolling.

# ? Mar 30, 2017 02:21

Silver2195: Apr 4, 2012

Improbable Lobster posted:

Trump has never been good for LGBT rights in any way. He promised to roll back gay marriage and his VP believes in gay conversion therapy. How anyone can believe that Trump has any interest in improving things for LGBT people is beyond me. Though I guess that it's 99% concern trolling.

I thought he specifically promised not to roll back gay marriage. Though it's possible he also promised to roll back gay marriage; he's not exactly big on consistency.

# ? Mar 30, 2017 02:28

The Vosgian Beast: Aug 13, 2011; Business is slow

Improbable Lobster posted:

Trump has never been good for LGBT rights in any way. He promised to roll back gay marriage and his VP believes in gay conversion therapy. How anyone can believe that Trump has any interest in improving things for LGBT people is beyond me. Though I guess that it's 99% concern trolling.

Trump's Mussolini-like lack of actual convictions means you can quote him pro and contra on a lot of issues, and Rev's commitment to never believing the feelthy lies of the progs and his commitment to taking the most charitable possible interpretation of the far right combined to make him believe Trump is good on LGBT rights issues.

# ? Mar 30, 2017 02:29

Shame Boy: Mar 2, 2010

Improbable Lobster posted:

Trump has never been good for LGBT rights in any way. He promised to roll back gay marriage and his VP believes in gay conversion therapy. How anyone can believe that Trump has any interest in improving things for LGBT people is beyond me. Though I guess that it's 99% concern trolling.

He's better on LGBT issues because he never held office before and Hillary has and everyone knows that words and carefully laid out platforms are meaningless compared to something someone did 20 years ago. Why I bet this trump fellow is only saying such outrageous things to get elected!

# ? Mar 30, 2017 02:55

Pope Guilty: Nov 6, 2006; The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

The alt-right likes to claim that they're better for LGBT people than the left because all Muslims want nothing but to murder LGBT people, and therefore since the alt-right wants to murder all Muslims, they are better than the left on LGBT issues. That's all there is to it.

# ? Mar 30, 2017 03:00

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

In which Viewpoint explicitly ties together Roko's basilisk and neoreaction. Those who've been keeping track will notice how much is cribbed from RationalWiki, and they kindly link to our copy of Roko's original post. It's not a great article, a bit like RW Category:LessWrong thrown into a blender, but it'll keep our memes alive and isn't that what really counts?

# ? Mar 30, 2017 16:03

Sax Solo: Feb 18, 2011

The memes must flow.

# ? Mar 30, 2017 22:03

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# ? May 9, 2024 00:15

divabot: Jun 17, 2015; A polite little mouse!

btw, Phil thinks the final release version of Neoreaction a Basilisk will be sometime in summer. He's doing the thorough footnoting right now and finishing off the Peter Thiel and TERF and David Icke essays in between working on the forthcoming cyberpunk book.

(and making suggestions on my Bitcoin/blockchain book as I desperately try to drag it ove rthe finish line)

# ? Mar 31, 2017 01:12

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