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Strome feels like a bust because he's already been in 2 years of preseason training camps but he's still only 20 years old and he's still putting up 2ppg this year in the ohl and is getting hosed by the bullshit junior rules, so the alternative is centering the 3rd line/sitting in the pressbox. Coyotes fans bitched about domi taking the same path but it's not like domi putting up 50 points 3 years ago or strome putting up 50 points this year would put them in the playoffs.
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Well it's more that they could have had Marner who looks all world and the fact that he looked absolutely awful during his cup of coffee this year. I don't think he's a bust but they can't afford another Mueller/Turris/Boedker. They need him to be great.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:42
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It would be great if some of the guys would pan out, I agree. It's sort of hard to hold the draft record against the franchise when we draft guys like turris and wheeler who turn out worse than whatever implausible trade/reach you could come up with.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:55
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Wheeler and Turris turned out pretty good! Just not for the Coyotes.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:01
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"I can't believe we wasted 1st round draft picks on a 70 point first line winger and a 50 point second line centre!"
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Mar 27, 2017 21:03
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Didn't Turris and Wheeler both refuse to play for the Yotes though? EDIT: Now I look dumb since grack changed their post
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Mar 27, 2017 21:08
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Turris played in Arizona but had mental health issues that they couldn't or wouldn't address. Even still, saying that either was a bad use of a draft pick is kind of stupid given the circumstances.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:10
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grack posted:Turris played in Arizona but had mental health issues that they couldn't or wouldn't address. Even still, saying that either was a bad use of a draft pick is kind of stupid given the circumstances. Wasn't Turris seen as a bit off the board at the time of that pick? Or maybe I'm just conflating Wayne Gretzky way overhyping him with that.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:18
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Ginette Reno posted:Wasn't Turris seen as a bit off the board at the time of that pick? Or maybe I'm just conflating Wayne Gretzky way overhyping him with that.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:23
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T-Bone posted:Well it's more that they could have had Marner who looks all world and the fact that he looked absolutely awful during his cup of coffee this year. I don't think he's a bust but they can't afford another Mueller/Turris/Boedker. They need him to be great. Marner is looking very good at the moment as is seeming like the clear choice, but it wasn't so clear the day of the draft. They were essentially identical from a statistical perspective and Strome was the 6'2" 195lb centre where Marner is generously 5'10" 180lbs. Strome was the right selection given the information anyone had, although it was largely a toss up. Ginette Reno posted:Wasn't Turris seen as a bit off the board at the time of that pick? Or maybe I'm just conflating Wayne Gretzky way overhyping him with that. Kyle Turris was actually the highest ranked NA skater for the 2007 draft ahead of Patrick Kane. I know that sounds ridiculous in retrospective given Kane's gaudy numbers and subsequent superstar NHL career, but he was not considered a top level prospect by any means. Its only been the last 7 or 8 years that numbers have been viewed as the primary judge of a player's ability, as outlandish as that may seem. Although, to be fair Turris did rip it up in the BCHL.
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I think it's just that the Coyotes need a home run, which Strome looks like he isn't and Marner looks like he could be. Strome turns into a 50 point guy and that's not a bad result in a vacuum but they've had a pretty disastrous year even against their expectations and desperately need a home run.grack posted:Turris played in Arizona but had mental health issues that they couldn't or wouldn't address. Ginette Reno posted:Wasn't Turris seen as a bit off the board at the time of that pick? Or maybe I'm just conflating Wayne Gretzky way overhyping him with that.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:26
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Why the hell was Turris playing in the BCHL anyways? Given his numbers looks like he should have been in major junior.
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Chows posted:There was nothing on the website, no signage at the entrance and I didn't hear anything about it during the game. Just a couple merch tables out on the west concourse with the historical stuff at the end. I sit on the east side so I never would've known about any of it if I hadn't heard the one announcement during Friday's game. Pretty disappointing really, he came all the way out here with some really cool stuff and the organization didn't even seem to put a minimum effort into promoting it. I literally heard waaaaay more publicity in the two days AFTER the game/event than during or before.
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Ginette Reno posted:Why the hell was Turris playing in the BCHL anyways? Given his numbers looks like he should have been in major junior. He wanted to go the college route. If you play in the CHL you are ineligible to play in the NCAA as you are technically paid to do so (although it's a nothing stipend - they don't even make minimum wage).
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Spring Break My Heart posted:
yeah same. maybe he's thinking of brule?
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Wait Turris had mental health issues? Besides wanting to live in Ottawa? and yeah I'm not saying those picks were necessarily bad at the time they made them, they just can't afford to keep striking out/losing assets and getting poo poo in return because they have next to nothing at the NHL level.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:30
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hifi posted:yeah same. maybe he's thinking of brule? Mmm, perhaps I've mixed the two up. Regardless, Turris did play in Arizona for two seasons before being traded.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:32
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I don't think marner would have the success he's having with the leafs if he was on the coyotes. We've got zero center depth and really bad 3rd and 4th line wingers. If leafs fans want something they can relate to, he'd probably be stuck playing with peter holland
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grack posted:Mmm, perhaps I've mixed the two up. Regardless, Turris did play in Arizona for two seasons before being traded. Yeah, Gilbert Brule had noted issues with depression stemming from an abusive relationship with his father. Kyle Turris and the Coyotes fell apart after he held out in 2011.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:34
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ThinkTank posted:Kyle Turris was actually the highest ranked NA skater for the 2007 draft ahead of Patrick Kane. I know that sounds ridiculous in retrospective given Kane's gaudy numbers and subsequent superstar NHL career, but he was not considered a top level prospect by any means. Its only been the last 7 or 8 years that numbers have been viewed as the primary judge of a player's ability, as outlandish as that may seem. Although, to be fair Turris did rip it up in the BCHL. Even when it became clear that Kane was going #1 I think the expectations were still quite subdued, and it was a talking point that he was seen as having the lowest ceiling of the 3. Briere was supposed to be the best case scenario for him.
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Also when you're talking about the Coyotes and you realize you'd still take their organizational depth over the Devils. Is there a team with a worse future than New Jersey? Maybe Vancouver if the Devils manage to stay in the top 3 this draft?
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T-Bone posted:Also when you're talking about the Coyotes and you realize you'd still take their organizational depth over the Devils. Is there a team with a worse future than New Jersey? Maybe Vancouver if the Devils manage to stay in the top 3 this draft? Canucks actually have decent prospects/young guys in the system right now.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:48
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Haha the Canucks are going to miss out on picking 29th because of that absurd 4-game start to the season
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T-Bone posted:Also when you're talking about the Coyotes and you realize you'd still take their organizational depth over the Devils. Is there a team with a worse future than New Jersey? Maybe Vancouver if the Devils manage to stay in the top 3 this draft?
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The Devils cap situation is great, their problem is unless they hit a home run in this year's draft if Schneider returns to any kind of form they're going to have a hard time getting another high pick next year. McLeod and Zacha certainly don't look like world beaters either. Top 6 contributors, yeah, but man do the Devils need to hit this year. If they're able to take a great forward I could maybe see them rebuilding their defense a bit via FA, but ugh.
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Koopa Kid posted:N: Kasperi Kapanen was called up Is Boyle hurt? I thought we traded for him so that we never had to watch Ben Smith play again...
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Arabian Jesus posted:Is Boyle hurt? I thought we traded for him so that we never had to watch Ben Smith play again... He's fine but Leivo and Sosh are injured and call-ups are limited so Smith is playing as a winger.
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T-Bone posted:Also when you're talking about the Coyotes and you realize you'd still take their organizational depth over the Devils. Is there a team with a worse future than New Jersey? Maybe Vancouver if the Devils manage to stay in the top 3 this draft? The Detroit Red Wings Hockey Club Larkin is good, Mantha looks decent, AA could be decent, and Svechinkov might be something, but their cap situation is completely wrecked until like 2023 and otherwise their pipeline is completely barren, especially on defense. They'll also very likely not be bad enough to get a top-3 pick until Larkin is like 24 and already squarely in his prime instead of getting them now like they should be when he's 20 so that there's actually a team already around him when his RFA years are over. This team is so royally hosed fire holland e: As a Devils fan, you're currently living through what the Wings' next decade is going to be. Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Koopa Kid posted:He's fine but Leivo and Sosh are injured and call-ups are limited so Smith is playing as a winger. I thought Kapanen was taking Smith's spot in the lineup? Smith was only in because Sosh and then Leivo were hurt. Unless someone else is hurt, I don't think Smith is playing. Hyman Matthews Nylander Marner Bozak JVR Komarov Kadri Brown Martin Boyle Kapanen
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Smith is going to play some time before the season's done. He's one game away from the exposure requirements and we all know that the Leafs are going to protect Matt Martin so they need another vet on top of Fehr that they can sign for a year and expose.
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Mar 27, 2017 22:50
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Aphrodite posted:The Jack Adams is for bad coaches. Jack Daniels
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DuhSal posted:I thought Kapanen was taking Smith's spot in the lineup? Smith was only in because Sosh and then Leivo were hurt. Unless someone else is hurt, I don't think Smith is playing. Oh Nylander wasn't doing rushes for whatever reason so Smith was on Matthews' wing iirc. It's a non-story, just funny.
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Apparently while scoring the game winning goal against carolina, Anthanasiou hit the goalie eddie lack in the head with his shoulder, and he went down and hasn't moved since. they took him off on a stretcher. Hopefully it's nothing serious. https://twitter.com/TomSanna93/status/846540231079858176
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Powershift posted:Apparently while scoring the game winning goal against carolina, Anthanasiou hit the goalie eddie lack in the head with his shoulder, and he went down and hasn't moved since. they took him off on a stretcher. Hopefully it's nothing serious. He gave a thumbs up on his way off, not that that guarantees anything.
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Mar 28, 2017 02:55
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santanotreal posted:He gave a thumbs up on his way off, not that that guarantees anything. 
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santanotreal posted:He gave a thumbs up on his way off, not that that guarantees anything. It means his arms still work, which is a good. Here's how it happened. https://twitter.com/CMS_74_/status/846539709295841280
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Looks unintentional to me.
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Mar 28, 2017 03:02
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Athanasiou got pushed in to Lack by a Canes' player, it wasn't intentional.
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Yeah this might be a better angle https://twitter.com/atominable/status/846539712978345986
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"This guy is skating full speed at my net trying to score a goal, what can I do? I know, I'll shove him directly in to my goaltender!"
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