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Jessica Henwick (Colleen) says in this interview that she got the role half a month before they started filming the show. What on earth was everyone doing?
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Mar 27, 2017 00:17
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ufarn posted:Jessica Henwick (Colleen) says in this interview that she got the role half a month before they started filming the show. Gathering enough M&Ms for Joy's crippling addiction.
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Mar 27, 2017 00:17
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Apparently waiting for the pitch that was good enough for Perlmutter. From what I gather on the beef between him and Feige, he could easily have waited to say "gently caress you for bringing magic in" - and then it was maybe month or two at best to get everything done.
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Mar 27, 2017 00:25
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I guess they forgot to put air holes wherever they kept the writers in the interim.
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Mar 27, 2017 00:30
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I expect a " unidentified source " to dish on what was actually going on. Also if Loeb had any input at all it was probably all bad. Having 9 Eexe. Producers indicate a lot of conflicting opinions.
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Mar 27, 2017 00:56
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GuyUpNorth posted:Apparently waiting for the pitch that was good enough for Perlmutter. From what I gather on the beef between him and Feige, he could easily have waited to say "gently caress you for bringing magic in" - and then it was maybe month or two at best to get everything done. The BSS tv thread said that Perlmutter had been shoved aside by Loeb. Marvel has no one but themselves to blame for this.
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Mar 27, 2017 01:16
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GuyUpNorth posted:Apparently waiting for the pitch that was good enough for Perlmutter. From what I gather on the beef between him and Feige, he could easily have waited to say "gently caress you for bringing magic in" - and then it was maybe month or two at best to get everything done. IP: Okay, get me a TV show based on the otherworldly, mystical, dragon heart punching martial artist, with a lead with no martial arts experience, dressed first like a hobo and then later a bad guy from the video game Bully, for thirty-five dollars, in two weeks
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Mar 27, 2017 01:21
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I finished Iron Fist. While the last 2-4 episodes are an improvement and almost make the series good, it doesn't negate that the other 2/3rds of the series is full of dull poo poo. The show is mundane and average at best and, at times, outright bad. Everyone who wasn't a Meachum really wasn't fleshed out and didn't have much of a character arc and the Meachums are the only ones who ever have good acting shine through. Finn as Rand is particularly bad at overacting/yelling. But again, how much of that is Buck and how much of that is Finn is up for debate. #DavosWasRight and I hate to see him become a villain, but then again, Iron Fist has like one villain of any note so it is inevitable. Still I think if Davos made his case to the K'un Lun operators or whatever, they'd probably side with him. Also it was nice to have someone call Danny on his poo poo. That's something the other Netflix shows had throughout the season, but IF only gets that for the last 3 episodes. It really bothered me that a lot of the first 2-3 episodes Danny talks a lot about meditation, focusing your chi. The fight with the Hand and his sensei yelling at him implies that he worked through the death of his parents but he clearly hadn't. This would actually be a good character arc if we weren't constantly being told Danny is perfect and was worked through his issues when clearly he hasn't. This probably wouldn't be a show I would've ever watched if it wasn't a comic book property and I can't imagine ever re-watching it. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 01:35
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I watched episode 8 Claire and Colleen making fun of Danny's retarded "go to China -> ??? -> fix everything" plan was great. Except for the part where they actually went to China. They made it very clear why Danny was being stupid and going to China made no sense, but then they did it anyway? Black board member is still the hero of this show. I hope Joy gets to live her dream of buying and selling horse cum. I actually liked that detail a lot. Horse breeding is such a total rich girl dream, it felt believable. Why the gently caress did they use such a wobbly gate for their cool parkour entrance into the heroin factory? Secure the gate so it doesn't wobble and they could've parkoured over it way better. Danny's stunt double was fine because they did it in two shots, but Colleen's stunt double was noticeably slowed by the wobble. Like, it such a small thing, but why not just make the gate not wobble? What the gently caress was wrong with the production of this show that they were stuck with a wobbly gate? The Drunken Master was as great as you guys said. Can he join the Defenders instead of Danny?
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Mar 27, 2017 03:17
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I was really underwhelmed by the Drunken Master. I don't know if the guy was a real martial artist or something, but I thought his acting (especially his drunk acting) was really contrived. That COULD have been an amazing scene but it just felt kinda bland. To be honest I can't think of a single particularly memorable or compelling fight in the entire series. Certainly nothing to compare to Daredevil's hallway fight, or Punisher's destruction of a cellblock worth of inmates, or Jessica and Luke going toe to toe. I figured once they got to the "tournament" with the Hand that would be the big "fight" I'd remember through the show, but that was pretty pathetic too. Actually scratch that, Colleen's cage-fighting antics were pretty fun. Colleen would have been a way more interesting lead than Danny too, sadly. An enthusiastic member of The Hand who has been completely lied to about who and what they are, who discovers that everything she believes in and has based her own (noble) philosophies on were a complete lie. Edit: Added spoiler tags sorry. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 05:06
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Everything I am reading really does make it sound like unfortunately the show was doomed to fail really.
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Mar 27, 2017 06:38
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I finally figured out what I want. (Not having any experience with the character) I want the Iron Fist to be extremely confusing to everyone by doing Kung-Fu poo poo that's one step away from actual magic. Like bicycle kicks and poo poo. I want an entire series full of stuff like when he tapped that taxi and cartwheeled through the air to avoid being hit by it.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:17
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RareAcumen posted:I finally figured out what I want. (Not having any experience with the character) I want the Iron Fist to be extremely confusing to everyone by doing Kung-Fu poo poo that's one step away from actual magic. Like bicycle kicks and poo poo. I want an entire series full of stuff like when he tapped that taxi and cartwheeled through the air to avoid being hit by it. That's what I thought we were gonna get! And then he'd be humanized and vulnerable by the fact that he has no idea how to function in modern NYC and needs his friends to actually do anything besides punch mans. Where is he gonna get off trying to show up Colleen Wing in her own dojo when he's getting beat up worse than her most of the time.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:18
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ufarn posted:Jessica Henwick (Colleen) says in this interview that she got the role half a month before they started filming the show. She has some other videos from her training, so it looks as though she was doing a fair amount. She was a more convincing fighter than Mr. Fist was -- I can only assume she had some fight training from Game of Thrones? Or had some before that, and earning her that role?
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Mar 27, 2017 17:39
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Guy Goodbody posted:I watched episode 8 Don't forget the plot beggar! Hmmm, where should I beg for food? Should I go into the city? Maybe at a train station? No, I'll sit by some decrepit warehouse at the arse end of nowhere which also happens to be run by murderous ninjas. That makes perfect sense  Phenotype posted:That's what I thought we were gonna get! I think we all did. What we got was someone who was supposed to have spent the last decade and a half in the most brutal and effective martial arts school ever conceived, but came out as a mediocre kung fu hipster with stupid hair. And now that I've finished the series I have this to say: Danny Rand, you are the worst Iron Fist ever!
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Mar 27, 2017 17:47
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RareAcumen posted:I finally figured out what I want. (Not having any experience with the character) I want the Iron Fist to be extremely confusing to everyone by doing Kung-Fu poo poo that's one step away from actual magic. Like bicycle kicks and poo poo. I want an entire series full of stuff like when he tapped that taxi and cartwheeled through the air to avoid being hit by it. That would've worked so much better. If Danny ended all his fights with regular goons immediately by doing some super quick crazy martial arts thing, then the actor's inability to do fights wouldn't have been as obvious. Gorilla Salad posted:Don't forget the plot beggar! I want convenient plot-advancing homeless people to be a staple of the entire Iron Fist franchise.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:17
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The Hand was billed as being an almost invincible evil force in Daredevil. Now in Iron Fist they've lowered the bar significantly to better match up with Danny. They'll probably get scary again once Daredevil comes back and Danny becomes his sidekick.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:23
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Dudikoff posted:The Hand was billed as being an almost invincible evil force in Daredevil. Now in Iron Fist they've lowered the bar significantly to better match up with Danny. They'll probably get scary again once Daredevil comes back and Danny becomes his sidekick. The Japanese Hand outsourced their work to the much shoddier Chinese Hand.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:30
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Well, we see there are different offshoots of Hands in this universe. There's like the The Real Hand, The Faux Hand, The Foe Hand, The Pepto-Bismol Officially Sponsored Hand, Hand 3(tm), etc. Presumably Danny is fighting like the worst and the second worst Hands. Netflix presents The HandS pitch: there's like 70 Hands all comprised of people who are essentially Starscream Saint Freak fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 18:33
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homullus posted:She has some other videos from her training, so it looks as though she was doing a fair amount. She was a more convincing fighter than Mr. Fist was -- I can only assume she had some fight training from Game of Thrones? Or had some before that, and earning her that role? She's not like a Lewis Tan who just does it as an extracurricular for the past 15 years, though.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:02
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Danny had to beat a dragon in unarmed combat to even get his Iron Fist powers. By the transitive properties of kung fu inequality, the following characters could kill a dragon in unarmed combat: -Harold Meachum -Davos -Bakuto -Drunken Master -Madame Gao -Nameless man in a suit in the medical records office This is by no means a comprehensive list.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:14
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You got it all wrong. To gain the power of the iron fist, Danny had to satisfy the dragon. By that I mean giving it a good backrub. Caves are rough place to live.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:33
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Hollismason posted:Everything I am reading really does make it sound like unfortunately the show was doomed to fail really. It really does feel, on nearly every level, like the product of people with no vision for or faith in the source material. ufarn posted:Jessica Henwick (Colleen) says in this interview that she got the role half a month before they started filming the show. Well, there were the rampant rumors from 2015 that Marvel was having a lot of trouble finding a pitch they were willing to greenlight (by some accounts due to squeamishness about the supernatural elements), and we know (per Melissa Rosenberg) that the deal Marvel signed with Netflix in 2013 set dates by which the shows had to go into production. It seems likely that they ran out of time and just gave it to the first yes-man hack willing to agree to a rushed production schedule and to offer minimal pushback to what the higher-ups wanted, and that Buck's "talent" in that regard impressed them enough for them to offer him Inhumans.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:59
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I honestly don't think I'll ever truly understand the apparent massive fear of supernatural elements.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:38
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I was thinking about it, and I realized that what this show really needs is some flashbacks to Danny's training. but then I realized that'd make it more like Arrow. And it's already pretty loving close to Arrow. I bet that's the exact reason there's no flashbacks, because they realized that'd make it too close to Arrow.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:48
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Speaking of dumb poo poo I didn't understand, what the poo poo was with Ward and the reporter in one of the earlier episodes? I thought for sure he was setting up some kind of bait and switch plan, but no, he actually just invited a reporter into his office, and started whining about how how a jerk was putting people's lives ahead of company profit like a doodoo head. This is what he called 'taking care of the nosy reporter'. And then he was all surprised and indignant when he read the headline the next day. Did I miss something?
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Mar 27, 2017 20:48
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counterfeitsaint posted:Speaking of dumb poo poo I didn't understand, what the poo poo was with Ward and the reporter in one of the earlier episodes? I thought for sure he was setting up some kind of bait and switch plan, but no, he actually just invited a reporter into his office, and started whining about how how a jerk was putting people's lives ahead of company profit like a doodoo head. This is what he called 'taking care of the nosy reporter'. And then he was all surprised and indignant when he read the headline the next day. Did I miss something? He thought the headline would be "Idiot Tanks Company" because his character is incapable of seeing it any other way.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:53
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I thought for sure that he was just play acting an arrogant corporate rear end in a top hat to trick the reporter into writing a glowing article about how good the new Rand was. Like, that the good publicity from Danny's munificent billionaire shtick and his miraculous return would pull the media's attention on to him, then Ward and the rest would use that as a screen to do something nefarious. Turns out he really does give interviews while drunk and high.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:17
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Guy Goodbody posted:I was thinking about it, and I realized that what this show really needs is some flashbacks to Danny's training. but then I realized that'd make it more like Arrow. And it's already pretty loving close to Arrow. I bet that's the exact reason there's no flashbacks, because they realized that'd make it too close to Arrow. The other Netflix shows started in the middle of the titular character being themselves and then used flashbacks to give the origin. Iron Fist would have done well to be different and start with Danny training in K'un-Lun. Let us get to know the world of Heavenly martial arts training, followed by Danny becoming the Iron Fist. Then the second half of the season is his return to New York and fighting The Hand. That way you can front load the show with a bunch of extras who already know martial arts while you try and figure out what to do with your lead who's got a month or so of training under his belt. I mean, that's if you want to work almost exactly the same and not take some time to train your lead or at least have him thoroughly practice your fight choreography.
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Mar 27, 2017 21:33
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Why does Joy, who loves Danny, want him dead at the end of the series? Danny already said he doesn't want a decision making role in Rand, so he won't be screwing up the business. Is Davos's argument that trouble tends to follow Danny seriously going to compel her to have him murdered?
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Mar 27, 2017 22:12
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Weren't all the other monks bald ? And why did Danny still have hair when he faced the Dragon?
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Mar 27, 2017 22:22
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Rand walking into the dojo and yelling at all the students was a really embarrassing scene for the show, Rand actor, and everyone involved
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Mar 27, 2017 23:12
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Rand walking into the dojo and yelling at all the students was a really embarrassing scene for the show, Rand actor, and everyone involved this scene started and i immediately closed the stream and didn't bother watching any more at first i thought there would be an overarching theme of mental illness and how it impacts people who are trying to do their best, kinda like how jessica jones went deep into the consequences of sexual abuse imagine a danny rand that stays homeless, who initially loudly insists that he isn't like the other weirdo hobos but eventually comes to grips with the fact that witnessing his parents' deaths traumatized him in a way that earning magical kung fu powers can't fix. basically replace whatever bullshit happens after episode 3 with a close examination of the typical heroic origin story and how it might impact an actual human being instead the homeless guy dies for no reason, and then the other mentally ill patients at the psych ward are actually thug murderers, and everybody takes danny rand seriously when he rants about random poo poo in karate class
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Mar 27, 2017 23:26
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Rand walking into the dojo and yelling at all the students was a really embarrassing scene for the show, Rand actor, and everyone involved If nothing else, it was kind of funny. Danny's trying to do a scene straight out of old kung fu movies, and Colleen immediately calls him out for how stupid and insane it is. Granted it proceeds to go absolutely nowhere, but details.
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Mar 27, 2017 23:26
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I finally got around to watching John Wick the other night. In every area that is relevant, Keanu was a better trained-his-entire-life-for-skill-and-enlightenment Kung Fu monk. Of course, it's not a fair comparison because Keanu loving rocks and Finn is useless, but drat, it was a stark juxtaposition after finishing Iron Fist last week.
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Mar 27, 2017 23:50
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Man of Tai Chi is a pretty good martial arts tournament film. Keanu directs it and plays the villain.
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Mar 27, 2017 23:52
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Oh Snapple! posted:I honestly don't think I'll ever truly understand the apparent massive fear of supernatural elements. I think by and large the Netflix series are trying to separate the underpowered/b-list heroes from the main franchise, which is probably a smart move, and also trying to make them semi-believable, which is also a smart move overall Some of the worst elements of the Marvel comics universe happen when they stick Daredevil, Moon Knight or often even Spiderman into a crazy cosmic "battling aliens on a distant planet" sort of story and try to mix in "street level" characters into a conflict between the Fantastic Four, Galactus and the Silver Surfer. Supernatural, cosmic and intergalactic stories work best when you're going full on Jack Kirby poo poo and, generally speaking, separating character's stories by their power set is a good idea I feel. It's part of the reason I never cared for Batman and Superman crossovers or Spiderman's symbiote saga. It's a hard line to walk and, often, when you get too far out with "it's magic" it can lead to a lot of eye rolling inducing scenes if it's not handled properly. From what I've gathered, having Danny literally punching a dragon in the heart to obtain his powers would have only made the series worse, especially given that he apparently doesn't come off as a "dragon puncher" in the least. Maybe if it were a stand alone series you could go full on batshit with Iron Fist and get crazy, but in the context and the universe of JJ, LC and DD a magic dragon would certainly push the limits of suspension of disbelief. They're already brushing right up to the edge of "Come the gently caress on" levels of bullshit with the magic ninjas, the giant hole, whatever the gently caress Black Sky is, ressurection and mind control. I think, in the context of what Netflix is trying to do, playing down the mystical stuff is wise. These shows have worked best when they stay relatively grounded.
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Mar 27, 2017 23:59
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Once you've got magic zombie ninjas fighting a blind ninja and his future acquaintances, the bullet proof man and the superhumanly strong women, the magic dragon who gets punched line of believability has already been passed. I mean, magic kung fu heaven in an alternate dimension where a young boy learns to harness his chi and make his fist glow with an awesome power is by itself well past the realm of a single dragon cameo.
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I think I'm 4 or 5 episodes in, so I can say I gave it a chance. It felt was a completely unaware send-up of some yet unknown 80's white dude martial arts movie played straight. In that sense, it was flawed but charming. Part One (Episodes 1 - 3 or 4 ish) was just Danny Rand's Bogus Journey. After that, everything unraveled. Mostly because the acting shows it's true poo poo colors once the writers are shown to be incompetent at developing any sort of narrative or motivation for anything any character is doing at a given moment.
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