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No sector but the public sector. Betong, tillväxt, administration.
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Retarded Goatee posted:Åke Jävel is a peer reviewed quality source.
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Mar 28, 2017 01:24
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Svartvit posted:It's funny because they campaigned against government overspending (remember them putting welfare cheaters front and center?) and then went on to completely overspend in a dystopian proportion. Yeah, and I remember them campaigning versus too many government agencies and once in power that was not a problem, since you need to award your supporters with prominent positions. Also, Fp that went all in on integration and then spent 8 years ignoring what they said. politicians.txt I guess the good thing about the current government is how cash-strapped they are due to the immigration crisis so they can't do too many stupid reforms. The sick insurance system was clearly flawed and something had to be done about it since the costs were exploding. Göran Persson was on his way to start something there and then the 2006 election happened. It is kinda like the system for assistance to disabled where the expenses have skyrocketed and which needs to have a better control.
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Mar 28, 2017 07:24
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Beeswax posted:No sector but the public sector. You'd think Löfven would be a betongsosse considering his background but idk, can't say I've noticed much (how do you even translate that, I mean surely other countries also have similar socialists but what are they called?)
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Mar 28, 2017 07:43
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TheFluff posted:You'd think Löfven would be a betongsosse considering his background but idk, can't say I've noticed much New Deal Democrat
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Mar 28, 2017 07:57
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TheFluff posted:You'd think Löfven would be a betongsosse considering his background but idk, can't say I've noticed much Löfven left all of his own ideas at the door when he got elected leader. See for instance him going from being a fierce proponent of nuclear power to having basically no opinion on the subject after he got appointed.
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Mar 28, 2017 08:08
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TheFluff posted:You'd think Löfven would be a betongsosse considering his background but idk, can't say I've noticed much I would have liked him more if he was one. He seems to have transformed since becoming party leader, probably in order to accommodate the many fractions in the party. He was the compromise candidate after all. I was kinda optimistic about him in the start, since he seemed to have an understanding about the balance between state and companies as well as clear opinions on the defense and nuclear energy.
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Mar 28, 2017 08:11
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So glad we torpedoed a sensible long-term policy on nuclear power yet again to win the support of a MP that was just going to lose its mandate with the voters right before election day anyway. 
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Mar 28, 2017 08:19
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Opposition to nuclear power is one of the most enduring dumb ideas of the left.
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Mar 28, 2017 08:24
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Especially these days. Polar ice caps melting faster than ever before? Guess we better sit here in our perfect CO2 neutral bubble afforded to us by the rain from our mountains while the rest of Europe expands on coal and natural gas like never before. Clearly the end of the world as we know it is worth risking over a couple of hundred of acres somewhere on the planet maybe getting polluted with fallout every 10 or so years in case of a meltdown.
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Mar 28, 2017 08:30
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MiddleOne posted:So glad we torpedoed a sensible long-term policy on nuclear power yet again to win the support of a MP that was just going to lose its mandate with the voters right before election day anyway. It's about as close to a sensible long-term policy as it can be without entirely removing the effektskatten yesterday. MP guaranteed brinksmanship during the negotiations. The economics just aren't there for new nuclear in the common Nordic electricity market. Until betongsossarna have their own majority in the riksdagen, no one is going to argue for providing economic incentives for adding real-live baseload generation until it's too late for industry. If you want to blame MP for something big this government: Even before 2014, it was obvious that the elcertifikat system needed to be completely unfucked. It really didn't make sense on a national level when it was introduced, with its focus on electricity and lack of attention to Sweden's energy mix, and was built around a principled blind faith in market forces instead of the certificate source's lifecycle g CO2/MWh.
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Mar 28, 2017 08:35
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I do realize that it was a pipe-dream for the 2014 election but it still pisses me off. There is a majority in the Riksdag for a more sensible approach to power generation and yet it will never happen because both C and MP see the issue as non-negotiable.
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Mar 28, 2017 08:52
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Groda posted:It's about as close to a sensible long-term policy as it can be without entirely removing the effektskatten yesterday. MP guaranteed brinksmanship during the negotiations. The economics just aren't there for new nuclear in the common Nordic electricity market. Until betongsossarna have their own majority in the riksdagen, no one is going to argue for providing economic incentives for adding real-live baseload generation until it's too late for industry. Aren't the Finns building new reactors? Also, aren't S, M, SD pro-nuclear, which should correspond to a majority vote?
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Mar 28, 2017 08:59
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Don't forget Jan Björklund.
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Cardiac posted:S, M, SD The ultimate dystopian future
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MiddleOne posted:I do realize that it was a pipe-dream for the 2014 election but it still pisses me off. There is a majority in the Riksdag for a more sensible approach to power generation and yet it will never happen because both C and MP see the issue as non-negotiable. C did like a good minority shareholder and hosed right off through 2 x Reinfeld governments with any attempts at influential opposition to nuclear policy within the government, and I would say (warning: former Östhammar resident speaking) isn't even consistently anti-nuclear anymore. Well, or anything for that matter... MP might not have a baby boomer green movement at its core -- whose opposition to nuclear power was like the best attempt of a Swedish Ralph Wiggum to fight for nuclear disarmament in a country that didn't actually have nuclear weapons -- but it's still doing a phenomenal job at attracting the enthusiastically uninformed. There's the problem. Excess baseload power is incredibly important for the current electricity prices and Swedish industries, but it's also an abstract concept that will only get a "kanske det" (Swedish for "You're full of poo poo.") from even someone politically invested in energy issues as a voter. It's impossible to create the political will to refurbish our energy system on purpose, when hundreds of thousands of Swedish people in Sweden unironically view solar energy in Sweden positively. Groda fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 09:31
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Groda posted:C did like a good minority shareholder and hosed right off through 2 x Reinfeld governments with any attempts at influential opposition to nuclear policy within the government, and I would say (warning: former Östhammar resident speaking) isn't even consistently anti-nuclear anymore. Well, or anything for that matter... Solar energy in Sweden IS a positive thing, at least for owners of free standing homes. It usually pays itself back in a decade in the southern part of Sweden where the vast majority of population reside. It also provide backup power in case of outages which combined with the current economics make it a decent investment considering the ownership times. For industry, apartments or general baseload yeah it will not do much of anything.
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Mar 28, 2017 09:55
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MiddleOne posted:Don't forget Jan Björklund. Please let me?
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Cardiac posted:Please let me? I would if I knew how to myself.
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Cardiac posted:I kinda admire the person who can be upset about Fi. They had their chance last election, didn't make it, and won't make it in the future. In all likelihood they will be even more irrelevant after next election. They weren't that far from making it and that was before the collapse of Muslimpartiet. It's not a big leap from the granola gaggle with islamists in its ranks to the Tumblr party.
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Karpaw posted:They weren't that far from making it and that was before the collapse of Muslimpartiet. It's not a big leap from the granola gaggle with islamists in its ranks to the Tumblr party. Something like 1% of Fi's 3% came from V, which promptly disappeared after the election. That was a wasted vote if any. Comrade 4% was apparently not applicable. Looking at the current polls, both Kd and Mp have to be rather worried about reaching above 4%. Kd matters less, but if Mp goes, the question is what a 25-28% S going to do then?
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Well, if elections were to be tomorrow fact is that no party constellation, even if they include SD like M and KD want to, can form a majority government anymore. M's fall in the polls has only further complicated the mess that is the current Riksdag. C, FP and V have their feet firmly planted in the sand when it comes to SD, MP and KD like you noted might fall out entirely and S is still hovering around election levels. Furthermore, not even the prophesied M+S coalition that you'd hear spoken in hushed tones a couple of years ago is possible anymore with AKB steadily steering M to the bottom of the sea. Something has got to give in the next year because otherwise we are looking at one hell of a messy election. FI picking a literal genus professor as a party leader is actually a good development in this sense because I'm pretty sure it just absolutely ruined their shot at re-capturing that 2014 momentum.
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MiddleOne posted:Well, if elections were to be tomorrow fact is that no party constellation, even if they include SD like M and KD want to, can form a majority government anymore. M's fall in the polls has only further complicated the mess that is the current Riksdag. C, FP and V have their feet firmly planted in the sand when it comes to SD, MP and KD like you noted might fall out entirely and S is still hovering around election levels. Furthermore, not even the prophesied M+S coalition that you'd hear spoken in hushed tones a couple of years ago is possible anymore with AKB steadily steering M to the bottom of the sea. Something has got to give in the next year because otherwise we are looking at one hell of a messy election. For Fi, I am guessing that Schyman considers she had a good enough run and is now basically jumping ship like the phenomenal political oppurtunist she is. Considering she is past retirement age, that is hardly surprising. To be fair, she has had a good run. Fi without her is just a weird party like EAP. For S&M to become a reality we are basically looking at a total collapse of the political structures in Sweden and there is virtually no point of such a coalition, since they agree on many of the most important national questions. Otherwise, I concur with your summary. It all depends whether there is a game changer prior to next election. One such could be what happens with the rollover of the immigration costs from the state to the municipalities this and next year. Or if Alliansen manage to kill the budget in the autumn. Cs momentum is probably going to falter like it did MP and for similar reasons, which results in a small recovery for M.
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Crashing the budget would just make Löfven follow-up on his re-election promise from DÖ with the added bonus of KD very likely falling out entirely and SD now entrenching themselves as the biggest right-wing party. The last party to want an early election right now is M. The Alliance parties need the summer of 2018 to stand a chance in the next election and an early election would ruin everything. A couple of years ago I would have worried about our housing debt bubble de-railing us but the finance ministry and Riksbanken are both fully committed to pushing its inevitable conclusion to a date past the election so that is out barring another Lehman Brothers. Frankly, I'm not that worried about instabilities domestically, most of it is the usual saber rattling. The things that I do worry could really mess up the next election would Le Pen winning in France (which would make the Brexit negotiations something very special) or Erdogan finally torching the refugee agreement like he has been threatening to do for the better part of a year.
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MiddleOne posted:Crashing the budget would just make Löfven follow-up on his re-election promise from DÖ with the added bonus of KD very likely falling out entirely and SD now entrenching themselves as the biggest right-wing party. The last party to want an early election right now is M. The Alliance parties need the summer of 2018 to stand a chance in the next election and an early election would ruin everything. A couple of years ago I would have worried about our housing debt bubble de-railing us but the finance ministry and Riksbanken are both fully committed to pushing its inevitable conclusion to a date past the election so that is out barring another Lehman Brothers. Frankly, I'm not that worried about instabilities domestically, most of it is the usual saber rattling. The things that I do worry could really mess up the next election would Le Pen winning in France (which would make the Brexit negotiations something very special) or Erdogan finally torching the refugee agreement like he has been threatening to do for the better part of a year. I dunno, is there actually time for a reelection before the next election? The budget is passed in November, so potential reelection would be like Feb-March and that is probably too close to comfort for either side. As for M wanting a early election, that is probably not so likely given their current polls. But on the other hand, they seem fine with burning the bridge in all directions so who knows. Le Pen is probably going to be minor for Sweden, it is not like we care about the French, especially in comparison with the Brits.
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Why is Systembolaget trying to convince EU that Finns cannot handle aqua vitae and that given chance, we would consume all alcohol we can get our hands on?
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throw to first drat IT posted:Why is Systembolaget trying to convince EU that Finns cannot handle aqua vitae and that given chance, we would consume all alcohol we can get our hands on? Yes.
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throw to first drat IT posted:Why is Systembolaget trying to convince EU that Finns cannot handle aqua vitae and that given chance, we would consume all alcohol we can get our hands on? Because it's true?
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His Divine Shadow posted:Because it's true? That's not uniquely Finnish though.
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Finns are just Swedes without the charm. They're Systembolaget's longest-running ad campaign.
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Turns out SD started their subversive propaganda earlier than I thought. And they even got Ernst Hugo on their payroll! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVM5wgBBB4Q&t=47s
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Enjoy the hypocrisy (it is OK if we do it but wrong if M do it): http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sd-stodjer-regeringens-upphandlingslag This is how you make SD a legitimate party with a decisive effect on Swedish politics. https://timbro.se/smedjan/sd-har-blivit-den-svenska-politikens-golfpeg/ At least one could argue that M is honest when it comes to relations with SD.
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Do you really not understand how the parliamentary process works and/or the difference between active and passive support or are you just unsubtly carrying water for SD like usual?
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His Divine Shadow posted:Because it's true? I mean, yeah. (Funny story, the only person of Finnish descent I know is a complete teetotaler and won't even consider drinking.)
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Cardiac posted:Enjoy the hypocrisy (it is OK if we do it but wrong if M do it): Yeah, opening up for structural collaboration with SD is the same as the worker's party passing a pro-worker resolution with their help.
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Do you really not understand how the parliamentary process works and/or the difference between active and passive support or are you just unsubtly carrying water for SD like usual? Why not both? Seems to go hand to hand with a lot of folks I see on Facebook.
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Cardiac posted:Enjoy the hypocrisy (it is OK if we do it but wrong if M do it): I'm kinda baffled that you of all people are going to get upset about S and M being S and M instead of conforming to some weird sense of bushido politics, something they've both (pragmatists that they are) have never been about. Yes, I'll concede that the rhetorical arguments in the 2014 election about how using SD to win votes was wrong was stupid. You know it, I know it and hell I think S even knew it at the time they said it because it really was just empty rhetoric. That said, both blocs will and have used the passive support of SD when it suits them and that has been a fact for the last 7 years. The same way the Alliance sunk the budget S is now passing this pro-union law. Get over it. What M is doing now is not being honest, it's AKB making a desperate bid to remain relevant in politics by going from passively using SD to actively working with them which no other party currently wants. Congratulations on missing the arguably biggest thing going on here by the way. I'll highlight it for you: quote:Regeringens nya upphandlingslag kommer att gå igenom riksdagen. Detta sedan både SD och KD bytt fot och lovat rösta på regeringens lagförslag. That's right, KD is now backing a policy which is ideologically opposed to everything that the current C and M are about. That means that they now join the potential defector booth with L for the 2018 election.
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Collateral Damage posted:Is there a chance that KD stays relevant after 2018? Not without changing things up which seems be exactly what they are working on.
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