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Ehud posted:I will be happy if we draft some combination of LB/DE/CB in the first two rounds. I hear Peppers if very versatile. Maybe you can trade your first and second round picks to move up and take him and have him play all three.
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big money big clit posted:I hear Peppers if very versatile. Maybe you can trade your first and second round picks to move up and take him and have him play all three. 
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he had it right at "no mock draft is legit" mock drafts are dumb but it's fun to speculate
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quote:open up the Chiefs' offense quote:Alex Smith  Yeah lets draft a WR so Alex Smith can pass for 3500 yards and 15 TD's.
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TBeats posted:he had it right at "no mock draft is legit" They exist only to take advantage of football fans' desire to create what if scenarios.
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God, the Browns are gonna draft Trubisky and I'm gonna be so mad.
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fan of the browns posted:God, the Browns are gonna draft Trubisky and I'm gonna be so mad. You know they want a hometown guy to replace Bernie. They will always try and do this.
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Mar 23, 2017 03:26
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Are you suggesting Frye wasn't there on his own merits
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fan of the browns posted:God, the Browns are gonna draft Trubisky and I'm gonna be so mad. Yeah the official twitter is just highlights of Mitch. I'm betting on a trade up from 12 to ensure they get him. (duh Myles at 1)
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I'd be p happy if we get Cook where we're at, but I doubt he's available then. Knowing TT, we pick defense even if he's there, and grab a RB in the 2nd or 3rd.
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Reminder everyone, there are only a few teams left in the Goon Draft, so come on down and sign up. Teams remaining as of this post: Arizona, Denver, Giants, KC, and Atlanta
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Mar 23, 2017 05:47
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One of the several other Chiefs posters here should sign up. I am unreliable.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Kiper Mock 3.0 Does Mel Kiper watch any games in the NFL at all? The skillset of Peppers is the exact same as Barry Church, who was extremely limited in coverage and was relegated to being a "Box Safety" and situational Linebacker in some cases. Also, constantly throwing out "Wouldn't this be a Jerry Jones thing" is getting kind of old when it's apparent that he does not run the day to day operations of the team anymore. 
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Ehud posted:I will be happy if we draft some combination of LB/DE/CB in the first two rounds. Here's the earlier round prospects they've met with so far: http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam Jonathan Allen, DT/3-4DE, Alabama (PRO) O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (COM) Raekwon McMillan, ILB, Ohio State (PRI) Jordan Willis, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Kansas State (COM) Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA (PRO) Chris Wormley, DE/DT/3-4DE, Michigan (SR) They met with almost everyone that they drafted before the later rounds last year, with the exception of Laremy Tunsil for obvious reasons. You can probably put together a rough draft board based on it. Hamhandler fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Mar 23, 2017 |
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WR Noah Brown ran a 4.55 at OSU's pro day, I wonder if that will be good enough for someone to take a mid-late round flyer on a big (6-2, 222) WR. Didn't have a great year, but the passing offense was pretty dysfunctional overall.
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Eltoasto posted:WR Noah Brown ran a 4.55 at OSU's pro day, I wonder if that will be good enough for someone to take a mid-late round flyer on a big (6-2, 222) WR. Didn't have a great year, but the passing offense was pretty dysfunctional overall. Word is that he showed incredible hands, but I think the most critical part will be his 10 yard split, since he just sucked at separating early and had some of the most preposterous route trees for someone with his skill set this year.
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Today on one of Denver's Sports Talk Radio shows, Mark Schlereth (noted 10th round draft pick in 1989) commented that Super Bowl winning teams don't have a lot of first round picks on them. I thought that sounded odd, especially with free agency in play since forever so I looked back at the last 10 Super Bowls: SB 51 (Patriots): 8 - Michael Floyd, Nate Solder, Chris Long, Malcom Brown, Shea McClellin, Barkevious Mingo, Dont'a Hightower, Devin McCourty SB 50 (Broncos): 9 - Peyton Manning, Vernon Davis, Von Miller, Shane Ray, Bradley Roby, Aqib Talib, Demaryius Thomas, DeMarcus Ware, Sylvester Williams SB 49 (Patriots): 5 - Chandler Jones, Nate Solder, Darrelle Revis, Dont'a Hightower, Devin McCourty SB 48 (Seahawks): 6 - Marshawn Lynch, James Carpenter, Russell Okung, Bruce Irvin, Earl Thomas, Percy Harvin SB 47 (Ravens): 8 - Joe Flacco, Ed Reed, Jimmy Smith, Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Michael Oher, Bryant McKinnie, Haloti Ngata SB 46 (Giants): 11 - Eli Manning, Hakeem Nicks, Jason Pierre-Paul, Mathias Kiwanuka, Aaron Ross, Kenny Phillips, Antrel Rolle, Prince Amukamara, Michael Clayton, Jimmy Kennedy, Kenny Phillips SB 45 (Packers): 9 - Aaron Rodgers, Bryan Bulaga, Ryan Pickett, B.J. Raji, Clay Matthews, A.J. Hawk, Charles Woodson, Nick Barnett, Justin Harrell SB 44 (Saints): 9 - Jeremy Shockey, Charles Grant, Will Smith, Sedrick Ellis, Jonathan Vilma, Reggie Bush, Malcolm Jenkins, Chris McAlister, Robert Meachem SB 43 (Steelers): 11 - Ben Roethlisberger, Santonio Holms, Heath Miller, Casey Hampton, Troy Polamalu, Fernando Bryant, James Farrior, Byron Leftwich, Rashard Mendenahll, Kendall Simmons, Lawrence Timmons SB 42 (Giants): 6 - Eli Manning, Plaxico Burress, Jeremy Shockey, Mathias Kiwanuka, Aaron Ross, R.W. McQuarters SB 41 (Colts): 11 - Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Tarik Glenn, Dwight Freeney, Anthony McFarland, Joseph Addai, Marlin Jackson, Rob Morris What does this say? It seems that defensive first rounders are more represented, other than the offensive comedy of Colts in SB 41. They had first round picks at every single offensive skill position. Other than that, I don't really know. 5-11 players on each team seems to not be that many but I don't know. When I started this I was using Wikipedia and manually looking up each name. When I got to SB 46, I found http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/2011_roster.htm which made this considerably easier than looking things up one name at a time  I'm sure a name or two got left out here and there.... Sorry.
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Seems like it'd be hard to have much more than ~10 first round picks on a team unless you make a point to go sign failed first round picks from other teams (they'd have to mostly be failed because generally no one lets their stars walk). Just spot checking the 2016 AFC West: KC - 9 Oakland - 9 Denver - 9 San Diego - 7 I think we're overthinking a dumb Schlereth point that the bulk of every football team in the world is made up of guys who weren't taken in the first round of the draft.
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Texans JJ Watt, Whitney Mercilus, Nuk Hopkins, Duane Brown, Kareem Jackson, Johnathan Joseph, Will Fuller, Kevin Johnson, Brian Cushing, Brandon Weeden (lol), Jadeveon Clowney, So that's 11 first round picks and they drafted all but Joseph and Weeden. So kudos on first round drafting prowess,  at all the other roundsI think Schlereth was in a roundabout way making a good point, that championship teams find players in later rounds
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The way I've viewed it is, the core of SB winning / competing teams are made up of players in like the 3rd-6th years of their careers. Guys with the experience and knowledge of the game, but without the crippling wear and tear. This also corresponds to cheap years on their rookie contracts, or their early big payday years, where they're still (typically) earning that money. (and also probably setup so their cap hits are smaller then they should be) This is why GM's are typically overrated or underrated, because their reputation only comes to pass 2+ years after they actually drafted those guys, and drafting is enough witchcraft that nobody is consistently good at it, you tend to have good years and bad years, and if you have a good QB and string a few good drafts in a short period, hooray you get to hopefully win a Superbowl. QB's are also kind of a side thing, because the better your QB, the more you can get away with on the rest of your roster First round picks are of course the most important players, but if you had 2 first round picks every round from 2010-2014, and hit on every last one of them, you'd still probably have less then 10 first rounders on your roster, because a bunch of those guys left in free agency because you couldn't pay them. But yeah, talent acquisition is what matters, it's just harder in the later rounds of the draft / UDFA's and free agency. I'd love to see some work comparing big free agency signings and performance compared to 1st round draft picks. I did some vague work that just looked at pro bowls // AV vs obvious busts and saw the results were fairly similar between the two, but free agents are far more expensive with shorter payoffs (as expected).
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Kalli posted:The way I've viewed it is, the core of SB winning / competing teams are made up of players in like the 3rd-6th years of their careers. Guys with the experience and knowledge of the game, but without the crippling wear and tear. This also corresponds to cheap years on their rookie contracts, or their early big payday years, where they're still (typically) earning that money. (and also probably setup so their cap hits are smaller then they should be) Not coincidentally, the 2006 Saints draft class prior to the 2009 Super Bowl is uniformly considered to be their best of all time. Kalli posted:But yeah, talent acquisition is what matters, it's just harder in the later rounds of the draft / UDFA's and free agency. EDIT: But not impossible - as many UDFA players last 10 years as second round players. Mind you, there are only 32-ish 2nd round draft picks and hundreds of UDFAs each year. http://www.footballperspective.com/are-there-more-first-rounders-or-undrafted-free-agents-with-10-year-careers/ ulmont fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 24, 2017 |
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"Starters should all be 1st or 2nd round picks. Backups can be 3rd rounders and rookies." -Cleveland Browns forum posters
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Michael Corleone posted:"Starters should all be 1st or 2nd round picks. Backups can be 3rd rounders and rookies." Oh man StartDerekAndersonTrumpMAGA posts on the Browns forum too?
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Draft selections shouldn't be viewed on a round to round basis. The NFL trade chart is based off of overall picks, not round. Figuring out how NFL GMs value players isn't a mystery. It's a combination of on the field talent with combine results. Players invited to the combine are a result of on the field play so GMs already tick that box, then they grab them based off of test results and injury risks. Starters can appear anywhere at any time because every guy who's even being considered in the draft is either a former elite HS prospect or someone who grew into an elite athlete in college. The talent level difference is tenths of a second. Saying X position needs to be taken in Y round is always narrow-minded.
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https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/845472048755433473 That must be a rough name to have as a football player
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Mar 25, 2017 21:47
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that's pretty bad but it's no guy whimper
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Some of you draft nerds might find this interesting: http://www.domeafavre.com/2017/03/24/packers-big-board-2017/quote:Here is how the board was made: The link is for the Packers, but I imagine other teams with similarly long histories at GM could do something like this.
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Mar 25, 2017 23:16
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They sure don't like Gareon Conley.
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The Ringer has a new mock up https://theringer.com/ringer-nfl-mock-draft-version-2-6917921551d6 Texans take Kizer at 25. Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Hahaha Tabor ran like a 4.77 at our pro day
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If fournette is available at the end of round 1 like in that mock the Panthers definitely trade up to get him. Guaranteed.
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Mitchell Trubisky for the Bills NOOOOOOOO THANK YOU.
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Mar 28, 2017 17:12
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The Bills desire to move on from Tyrod is even more confusing then Washington's refusal to sign Cousins last season.
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Mar 28, 2017 17:17
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Teams get weird about QBs.
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Mahomes to the Chiefs. I guess I'm coming around to the idea, but I still don't really like it.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Mahomes to the Chiefs. If it works down the road--it definitely won't work fast--it will really work. The odds of that aren't particular good though. But really he would just have to win one game as a Chief at any point to get that damned Todd Blackledge stat off the books.
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The Chargers are not taking a guard with the seventh overall pick. This mock draft (and indeed all mock drafts) belongs in a trash can with trash
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Kalli posted:The Bills desire to move on from Tyrod is even more confusing then Washington's refusal to sign Cousins last season. If you can't find a way to get Walt Powell involved, not sure you're a real pocket passer.
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Intruder posted:The Ringer has a new mock up Jags taking Watson at 4? 
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