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TooMuchAbstraction posted:But nuclear bombs explode, surely nuclear power plants are just very slow bombs. It's only sensible! Not that I disagree, but this is basically the cultural image of it passed around in the real world - it's one reason it's so expensive to build the things, or why even the extant ones are mostly gen 2 reactors when far safer designs (and the ones we have are already pretty safe) have been around for decades. I wouldn't necessarily expect the type of people who've made the type of.... "game" we've seen so far to necessarily be read enough to know that; hell plenty of actual game developers keep putting exploding nuclear reactors in their games. Also, while most of the designs have been really goddamn bad, and these two new ludicrous 'mons are exactly that, I'm kind of waiting to see what's up with the legendaries. It's not like GF has never released really loving dumb stuff even outside of legendaries - Wobuffet (and Shadow Tag) comes to mind, as does loving Stealth Rock. That's an entry hazard that should have been removed the next generation after it was introduced, not still around. Note I'm fully aware Uranium has been consistently bad with these setups as opposed to just the occasional misstep, but GF is not exactly sparkling clean either.
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Mar 28, 2017 06:49
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Stealth Rock is just bad and should've been nerfed, I'm kind of the school that if one move is an absolute must in the competitive scene, that it's just too powerful.
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Mar 28, 2017 06:59
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Are there any good Pokeman fanfics? Sorry for bringing the subject up,but anything's more interesting to talk about than Uranium.
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Mar 28, 2017 07:12
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Here's one I linked a while back. It's not narrative, but I think it's interesting. The Natural History of Pokemon
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Mar 28, 2017 07:21
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All the talk about Sage got me to check out the demo. I have to say, I'm very pleasantly surprised. It's definitely trying to be an actual Pokemon game. I do have a few issues with the demo, but it is 2 years old and maybe they've fixed them by now. Thankfully, I only really have issues with the gameplay side of things. There's no edgy writing and stuff like getting a key from a stalker to get into a house. It's more in line with the Pokemon games, actually. The issues I have is that the early game is a bit rough (Some Pokemon really could do without having both Sand Attack and Growl, and some trainers could do with less Pokemon) and the encounter rate is just too high. Despite that, I enjoyed it, and I think it seems promising. Having read the wiki, the people working on the project seem to have some good heads on their shoulders, so I look forward to the next demo. Despite the majority of the early game Pokemon being Ice types, you won't really see Ice moves come out until sometime after you can get Pokeballs. Which means that if you pick the Grass starter, you won't be screwed over right away and can build up your team well before you run into them. That really speaks volumes about the game balance and already puts it above Uranium in my eyes.
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Mar 28, 2017 07:29
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Dr. Fetus posted:All the talk about Sage got me to check out the demo. I have to say, I'm very pleasantly surprised. It's definitely trying to be an actual Pokemon game. I do have a few issues with the demo, but it is 2 years old and maybe they've fixed them by now. Thankfully, I only really have issues with the gameplay side of things. There's no edgy writing and stuff like getting a key from a stalker to get into a house. It's more in line with the Pokemon games, actually. The issues I have is that the early game is a bit rough (Some Pokemon really could do without having both Sand Attack and Growl, and some trainers could do with less Pokemon) and the encounter rate is just too high. Despite that, I enjoyed it, and I think it seems promising. Having read the wiki, the people working on the project seem to have some good heads on their shoulders, so I look forward to the next demo. the prevalence of early ice types is also neat because the devs straight up don't want to put in fairy type or mega forms since those were added after the sage dex was mostly locked down, so having good ice options is needed for any eventual dragon pokemon if they ever start being more of a thing in the theoretical later bits of sage.
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Mar 28, 2017 08:00
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This is beautiful, thank you.
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Mar 28, 2017 08:21
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Not every setting needs to be grimdark gritty. Pokemon does not need grimdark gritty. If you look past the surface of the games, there's a lot of dark stuff going on Especially in ORAS and SuMo VolticSurge posted:Are there any good Pokeman fanfics? Sorry for bringing the subject up,but anything's more interesting to talk about than Uranium. Not my cup of tea since it's a Peggy Sue fix-fic that is basically covering the entire Pokémon Anime It's over 200 chapters and has gotten to the Battle Frontier Vinylshadow fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 08:47
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Slightly off-topic but what the gently caress is Rat!Fic.
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Mar 28, 2017 09:16
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Obstinately "Rational Fiction" in which authors take a setting and try to make it "rational." HPMoR tends to be the poster child. The culture surrounding it tends to be high on ego, lesswrong types. You can find some good stuff but like I mentioned before, that's just because the 1% of things created are not poo poo holds up rather than any virtue of the style itself. Leon Cross fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 09:23
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So basically like hard sci-fi but without any of the charm? .... and without half the authors actually being professionals in the field they're speculating on through fiction?
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Mar 28, 2017 09:53
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rational fics are terrible and basically no fun allowed stories.
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Mar 28, 2017 10:34
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Dang MissEchelon of Lets Play Megaman Battle Network fame doing art? Noice.
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Mar 28, 2017 11:05
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I like that smug arcanine
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Mar 28, 2017 12:12
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Vinylshadow posted:If you look past the surface of the games, there's a lot of dark stuff going on Oh god we only go in circles, and not cool circles like MEGAWEAPON's treads.
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Mar 28, 2017 12:53
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Oh god we only go in circles, and not cool circles like MEGAWEAPON's treads. hey have you guys ever thought about how pokemon battles are basically dogfighting hosed up right they should, like, make a pokemon game that shows the real heart of darkness behind the pokemon world, man
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Mar 28, 2017 13:06
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GeneX posted:I like that smug arcanine Wanna pet that smug arcanine tbh.
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Mar 28, 2017 13:42
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I'm not sure if you can even make a legitimately difficult Pokemon game. The usual Pokemon engine is not flexible enough to allow you to adopt specific strategies that are not "Pick 1-2 Pokemon and use only them the entire game", "Pick the strongest moves and type-coverage over time", "Power up and sweep everybody", and/or "Item spam" without grinding a lot in one way or another, for instance having to catch and train certain Pokemon and knowing they can have specific movesets and/or abilities in the first place without cheating and looking up Pokemon locations. Thus we run into situations like Uranium basically expecting you to have a strong Water type or someone with Flash Fire for the Overheating Pokemon shown in the OP. Or Pokemon Rejuvenation and to a lesser extent Pokemon Reborn where you have to adopt specific strategies to nullify or counter field effects that basically turn Gym Leaders' teams into armies of 6 Mega Rayquazas of a specific type and benefit specific original moves only they know and will never teach you in anyway while providing no benefit to you whatsoever aside from one gym battle in Reborn where the field effect benefits the gym leader's Ghost Pokemon but also Electric types as well.
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Mar 28, 2017 14:00
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Haifisch posted:And the only time Pokemon have been used for energy is by the bad guys, like Johto Team Rocket using a bunch of Electrode for power. First season of the anime has a bunch of pikachu being used as the backup generator for a pokecenter, but I guess that's a bit different to the sort of "always on" systems we're talking about here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30FQ0hIEnxQ
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Mar 28, 2017 14:33
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FishOnAPiano posted:First season of the anime has a bunch of pikachu being used as the backup generator for a pokecenter, but I guess that's a bit different to the sort of "always on" systems we're talking about here. Neatly sidestep the issue of if battling Pokemon is wrong by locking them in a basement and having them turn a big wooden crank all day!
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Mar 28, 2017 14:52
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Bydoless posted:I'm not sure if you can even make a legitimately difficult Pokemon game. The usual Pokemon engine is not flexible enough to allow you to adopt specific strategies that are not "Pick 1-2 Pokemon and use only them the entire game", "Pick the strongest moves and type-coverage over time", "Power up and sweep everybody", and/or "Item spam" without grinding a lot in one way or another, for instance having to catch and train certain Pokemon and knowing they can have specific movesets and/or abilities in the first place without cheating and looking up Pokemon locations.
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Mar 28, 2017 14:59
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Bydoless posted:I'm not sure if you can even make a legitimately difficult Pokemon game. The usual Pokemon engine is not flexible enough to allow you to adopt specific strategies that are not "Pick 1-2 Pokemon and use only them the entire game", "Pick the strongest moves and type-coverage over time", "Power up and sweep everybody", and/or "Item spam" without grinding a lot in one way or another, for instance having to catch and train certain Pokemon and knowing they can have specific movesets and/or abilities in the first place without cheating and looking up Pokemon locations. Just enforcing the standard multiplayer rules would dramatically change the average difficulty of the game. Potions and the like only usable outside of battle, no precognitive switching ever. Balance all hold items to refresh themselves after the battle, and gate them somehow other than BP at the end of the game so you can actually put them to use. Eliminate the totally trash trainer lineups like "6 Magikarps lol" but don't make everything some ball-breaking encounter so the thing still has some kind of pacing. It still wouldn't exactly be "legitimately difficult" but it would be a lot harder. On the other hand the Totem battles in SuMo did a pretty good job of introducing opponent-only benefits and turning them into a nice challenge that didn't feel broken.
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Mar 28, 2017 15:03
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VolticSurge posted:Are there any good Pokeman fanfics? Sorry for bringing the subject up,but anything's more interesting to talk about than Uranium. As someone who enjoys reading fan fiction, yes but pokemon has one the worst trash to actual quality work ratios of any series. It Takes a Team To Raise a Trainer Is a charmingly slice of life that keeps the cheery tone of pokemon and actualy thinks about what living in the pokemon world would be like. It is surprisingly well written. Making it Big Is about as dark as you can go without pokemon fics turning to garbage and its merely the story of a girl under the poverty line becoming a trainer with her trusty rattata to make money for her family. Its pretty charming. Ashes of the past is the big one, and its stupid mindless fun. Other than that there is nothing that I can actually recommend, pokemon fan fiction is a wasteland of edgelords, special snowflakes, and terrible writing even compared to normal fanfiction.
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Mar 28, 2017 15:11
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I think the Totem battles were really well done, although Lusamine's Totem Clefable can go gently caress itself. Something I've noticed is that while everyone has a Totem boss that beat the poo poo out of them, it's different for everyone; I got rekt by Totem Wishiwashi, but I've seen people complaining about Totem Lurantis or Totem Mimikyu as well. It's somewhat similar to the Eidolon fights in FF13, all of which are difficult for various reasons, but who finds which one difficult is pretty eclectic (personally I hate Odin and Hechatonchaire).
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Mar 28, 2017 15:13
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Having a Dartrix with Razor Leaf and Work Up helped a lot with dealing with Totem Wishiwoshi, even after it brought in an Alomamola to spam Heal Pulse and Helping Hand.
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Mar 28, 2017 15:59
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Lord Koth posted:Also, while most of the designs have been really goddamn bad, and these two new ludicrous 'mons are exactly that, I'm kind of waiting to see what's up with the legendaries. It's not like GF has never released really loving dumb stuff even outside of legendaries - Wobuffet (and Shadow Tag) comes to mind, as does loving Stealth Rock. That's an entry hazard that should have been removed the next generation after it was introduced, not still around. Note I'm fully aware Uranium has been consistently bad with these setups as opposed to just the occasional misstep, but GF is not exactly sparkling clean either. eh, the legendaries are tame enough that it's mostly non-issue not to mention like half of them are still being worked on. when we get near gym 6, we meet the most broken pokemon, as in you must have an answer to it or your entire team gets sweeped with 540 power moves. infact, it almost feels that the three brokenmon thus far were infact made that way in part just to counter this pokemon. Shiva Asori fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 16:14
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Added Space posted:Here's one I linked a while back. It's not narrative, but I think it's interesting. ldragon posted:As someone who enjoys reading fan fiction, yes but pokemon has one the worst trash to actual quality work ratios of any series. Thanks for the recs!
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Mar 28, 2017 17:29
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Pokemon fanfics reminds me of the time I thought about doing one along the lines of the Truman Show, except the MC is Truman.
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Mar 28, 2017 17:50
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beru04 posted:Pokemon fanfics reminds me of the time I thought about doing one along the lines of the Truman Show, except the MC is Truman. I mean, the Truman Show is a very accurate representation of basically any videogame.
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Mar 28, 2017 17:57
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I think the theory where the entirety of every Pokemon game is an elaborate The-Village-style hoax put on by adults to teach their children self-sufficiency is a fairly common one, since I've heard it before and I don't really talk about Pokemon online much or possibly a Westworld-style theme park your mom has brought you to, or adventure summer camp Every game is a series of adults basically doing the equivalent of pretending to struggle valiantly and eventually lose against a little kid in an arm-wrestling match; there's a team of costumed villains whose scientifically-dubious plans can be foiled by an 11-year-old making his pet lizard do tricks; your mom is always oddly excited to have you leave home and be placed under dangerous circumstances, but if you pass out in a cave you always wake up just fine in the nurse's office; the water is dyed a deep blue like the water hazards at mini-golf courses, etc etc While you're out exploring dungeons and defeating villains, your mom is relaxing at the spa having a daytime cocktail and hoping you manage to beat the Elite Four before her stay is finished or she'll have to book some more time here and that ain't cheap loquacius fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Mar 28, 2017 18:22
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i think pokemon is a fun game series for kids and adults making dumb fan theories about it secretly being hosed up, is an insanely stupid thing id rather read some 12 year old's sincere fanfic about how badass mewtwo is
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Mar 28, 2017 18:23
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Endorph posted:i think pokemon is a fun game series for kids and adults making dumb fan theories about it secretly being hosed up, is an insanely stupid thing
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Mar 28, 2017 18:26
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Mewtwo is badass, yeah
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Mar 28, 2017 18:33
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Endorph posted:id rather read some 12 year old's sincere fanfic about how reshiram is his wife
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Mar 28, 2017 18:35
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Mewtwo is very badass imo
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Justin is a treasure 
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Endorph posted:i think pokemon is a fun game series for kids and adults making dumb fan theories about it secretly being hosed up, is an insanely stupid thing As discussed earlier in the thread I don't think it's 'secretly' hosed up, and the last few games (Black thru SuMo) have had a trend towards progressively darker stories. Pokemon has pretty much always had a dark undertone to it, but it's definitely at its best when that's an undertone, rather than blatantly put out there (see the 'atmosphere' conversation earlier in the thread).
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