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C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
Weren't we supposed to get Masterpiece spoilers today, on some stream or something?

80s James Hetfield posted:

Probably just going to get the other color fast lands

Didn't we literally just get these in KLD, or are you and I assigning the same nickname to two different cycles of lands? Or do you mean "they'll reprint the SOM fastlands"

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cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
Back then core sets came out only every other year, so in non core set years they had a slot for an additional summer set. Lorwyn/Shadowmoor came out of that, Unhinged came out of that, and Coldsnap came out of that

TheChirurgeon
Aug 7, 2002

Remember how good you are
Taco Defender

ShaneB posted:

Can anyone who was playing at the time explain to me why Coldsnap exists? It seems so bizzare to release a tiny set that was tied into Ice Age from 11 years prior.

Basically they needed something to fill that dead time of year that used to happen between sets when blocks were 3 sets and core sets weren't released every year. So they created a "lost" set to act as a standalone. Nowadays they fill those gaps with sets like Modern/Eternal Masters/Conspiracy, and products like Commander/Planechsae/Archenemy.


e:fb

YggdrasilTM
Nov 7, 2011

C-Euro posted:

Weren't we supposed to get Masterpiece spoilers today, on some stream or something?

They will start at 6:00 pm ET

Mezzanon
Sep 16, 2003

Pillbug

Out-Of-Stock nnnnoooooooooooo


I guess I play the waiting game.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

ShaneB posted:

Can anyone who was playing at the time explain to me why Coldsnap exists? It seems so bizzare to release a tiny set that was tied into Ice Age from 11 years prior.

There used to be a Core Set every other year so they filled it in with an extra set, e.g. Coldsnap; Eventide

A big flaming stink
Apr 26, 2010
I believe coldsnap exists solely to enable my friend to grief block vs block constructed with necropotence.

My friend is that one guy who got to the vintage finals at EE last year with dredge, so he's quite the fellow.

A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Mar 28, 2017

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Sickening posted:

Perfect fits are like 3 bucks for 100, why are you ever taking them off?

Because double sleeving was a lot of cards (e.g. fetchlands, Fatal Push, etc.) moved between standard and modern and EDH decks and they're not all double-sleeved because it takes fucken forever to double sleeve a deck up. Most events I play in start at like 6:30 and I get off work at 5, so more often than not, I'm making changes to a deck in between getting home and heading to the store and it took too long, which is partially why I gave up double-sleeving.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received
Oh hey I missed the Duel Commander chat. I a Duel Commander player AMA.

Attorney at Funk
Jun 3, 2008

...the person who says honestly that he despairs is closer to being cured than all those who are not regarded as despairing by themselves or others.

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Oh hey I missed the Duel Commander chat. I a Duel Commander player AMA.

If you could make any additions or subtractions to the banlist, what would they be and why?

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Do you play French or Italian Duel Commander? :v:

Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify
You wanna duel?

Fantastic Alice
Jan 23, 2012





Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Oh hey I missed the Duel Commander chat. I a Duel Commander player AMA.

Monored goblin tribal, best commander? Also random thought, what would goblin tribal look like on modern?

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Attorney at Funk posted:

If you could make any additions or subtractions to the banlist, what would they be and why?

It's hard to tell, DC itself went to 20 life, then C16 comes out and Breya and assorted Partner-based decks show up and almost instantly became top-tier, but they aren't super-super top tier and "Partner" covers a ton of archetypes from WR Aggro to wet junk midrange. Now Wizards is going to have its own official 30-life format, so things have been in a lot of flux.

I'd let Mystical Tutor back in because Oloro and Zur were doing cruel things with it and got banned anyway, but Baral would jump on that instantly and doesn't need its help to turn into Emrakul when he can draw into his polymorphs just fine.

Entomb was axed to weaken graveyard combo decks but they had to get Necrotic Ooze to dunk those anyway, so maybe that could come back in? Or maybe both since GY combos have zero presence now?

But, once again, we're going back to a 30-life format so a lot of the problems w/r/t control decks and game-winning combos having a big safety net will be back.

I'm fine with every legendary creature that is banned as a Commander, personally. My brother disagrees on Marath.

Siivola posted:

Do you play French or Italian Duel Commander? :v:

The French list for now. Again, official wizards format looming.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Zurgo! :hist101:

I feel like aggro is still a tad too dicey in Duel, control is just really strong as-is, but it's certainly way better than it was before the life total got reduced. Which commanders do you play, Sheep?

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Hey, here's a dumb question. How good were answers back in Khans standard?

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Crackling Doom and the Commands were all pretty solid


e: Also yeah most good creatures having larger toughness than power meant that you often didn't need "answers", just a wider board. GW Morph was the worst poo poo ever.

Fajita Queen fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Mar 28, 2017

Recess Rapist
Jul 4, 2004
I no longer whack; I use a driptorch.

Siivola posted:

Hey, here's a dumb question. How good were answers back in Khans standard?

You could answer rhino with rhino.

e:

The Shortest Path posted:

Crackling Doom and the Commands were all pretty solid.

That they very much were. Dromoka's command kept all enchantments in check (which ones were even in decks?)

Rhino was so good it sort of kept CoCo in check since rhino was somehow better.

Recess Rapist fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Mar 28, 2017

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


Slippery Tilde
I guess https://www.twitch.tv/pantheonmagic is going to spoil some/all/one of the invocations in 40 minutes.

Cactrot
Jan 11, 2001

Go Go Cactus Galactus





The Shortest Path posted:

Crackling Doom and the Commands were all pretty solid


e: Also yeah most good creatures having larger toughness than power meant that you often didn't need "answers", just a wider board.

Murderous Cut was pretty good too, and we had Lightning Strike as a holdover from Theros.

TwistedNails
Dec 1, 2008

xanthan posted:

what would goblin tribal look like on modern?

8 whack is pretty much goblin tribal.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Cactrot posted:

Murderous Cut was pretty good too, and we had Lightning Strike as a holdover from Theros.

It's so loving depressing that Lightning Strike is considered a good answer by current standards.

Alris
Apr 20, 2007

Welcome to the Fantasy Zone!

Get ready!

Siivola posted:

Hey, here's a dumb question. How good were answers back in Khans standard?

Roast, Silkwrap, Murderous Cut, Crackling Doom, Ultimate Price, Utter End if you were desperate, Display of Dominance/Rending Volley/Surge of Righteousness for your sideboard, I'm sure there are some more I am forgetting.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Recess Rapist posted:

You could answer rhino with rhino.

e:


That they very much were. Dromoka's command kept all enchantments in check (which ones were even in decks?)

Silkwrap.

And a bunch of stuff when Theros was still around (Gods, Whip, Courser of Kruphix, Banishing Light...)

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
I always found using Crackling Doom to kill Sorin's vampire and Sorin at the same time to be more amusing than it actually was.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



Chained to the Rocks, Abzan Charm, Heroe's Downfall, Thoughtseize as a preemptive, THS/KTK standard had tons of answers to threats.

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

Interesting, thanks. So it's really only been 2016 onwards that they're been extra poo poo?

CompeAnansi
Feb 1, 2011

I respectfully decline
the invitation to join
your hallucination
Giantbaiting.dec

DoctorOozy
Jun 22, 2013

Like you get in packing paper?

Angry Grimace posted:

Because double sleeving was a lot of cards (e.g. fetchlands, Fatal Push, etc.) moved between standard and modern and EDH decks and they're not all double-sleeved because it takes fucken forever to double sleeve a deck up. Most events I play in start at like 6:30 and I get off work at 5, so more often than not, I'm making changes to a deck in between getting home and heading to the store and it took too long, which is partially why I gave up double-sleeving.

I just leave all the cards in perfect fits, if i need to move between sleeves then the cards are protected. The fact I move cards about so much is WHY I double sleeve.

Admittedly I do tend to stick to one kind of sleeve so I can move the whole sleeved card if possible but that tends to only be for a little while until my sleeve whims change.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

Entropic posted:

Silkwrap.

And a bunch of stuff when Theros was still around (Gods, Whip, Courser of Kruphix, Banishing Light...)

One of the cool dynamics of Dromoka's Command was that it was so good against splashed enchantments, the answer to it was to just play nothing but enchantments. Near the end of that standard, we had that G/W enchantress deck that was just Courser, Eidolon, Mastery of the Unseen, and all the O-Ring style effects you could cram in the deck. :v:

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Siivola posted:

Interesting, thanks. So it's really only been 2016 onwards that they're been extra poo poo?


Yeah, though nearly all of those removal spells mentioned were still notably worse than stuff like Doom Blade/Go for the Throat.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Uhh

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

:wtc:

That's a hoax, right?

pr0digal
Sep 12, 2008

Alan Rickman Overdrive
Nope, at least Aven Mindcensor isn't. :negative:

http://www.toplevelpodcast.com/aven-mindcensor/

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
I actually love the idea of experimenting with totally different frames. But this...

clamiam45
Sep 10, 2005

HIGH FIVE! I'M GAY TOO!!!!!!
Holy poo poo they're ugly.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
They're like YuGiOh cards. Meaning hideous.

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
unbelievable

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Another

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Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

These are loving hideous. The art is so goddamn tiny. I did not think they could take a step down from the Expedition frames, but holy moley.

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