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Kazinsal posted:The latter, with them trying to disguise it as the noble fan production fighting the big evil oppressive megacorp called Paramount. Timby posted:Axanar began as a short film called Prelude to Axanar... Thanks for filling me in. I was hoping it was just some half-assery on the part of fans, I didn't expect that much assholery on the part of grifters.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't remember that part. I thought it was the Romulans using some kind of mind control device on him. After Riker figured out the first illusion was as such it was "revealed" that he was in a Romulan holdeck but things were still off so eventually he figured that illusion out too and came back to the real world.
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Kibayasu posted:After Riker figured out the first illusion was as such it was "revealed" that he was in a Romulan holdeck but things were still off so eventually he figured that illusion out too and came back to the real world. ...or did he?
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The Bloop posted:...or did he? 
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The Bloop posted:...or did he? 
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Mar 28, 2017 18:06
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The_Doctor posted:You're right! I watched that not so long ago, and how cheap and awkward the costume looked really stuck out at me. "My true name is Gleepbledyglorp" "Uhhhhh, you know, to me you'll always be Jean Luc"
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PostNouveau posted:"My true name is Gleepbledyglorp" bah weep granah weep nini bong
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That one's notable for being the last pre-B5 appearance of Andreas Katsulas.
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Mar 28, 2017 20:20
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Christ, O'Brien. Abandoning your feral daughter on a deserted planet 300 years in the past where she'll probably die alone one day of an infected tooth or something rather than taking her to a therapist? What the hell. Also lol Odo. "I'm committed to order and justice above all. Unless you're my buddy then I'll just ignore that you assaulted my deputy, carry on obstructing justice you rascal."
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Mar 28, 2017 23:43
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Odo is a credit to his people.
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The Bloop posted:bah weep granah weep nini bong I hope Judd Nelson shows up in the new Star Trek show as a disheveled admiral who may or may not smoke too much weed
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I just got done watching 'Star Trek Continues'. I have to say, they did a pretty good job. Larry Nemecek was kind of rubbish as Doctor McCoy, but Chuck Huber did a much better job, and most of the rest of the cast was good from the start (though I do get distracted by Grant Imahara as Sulu, having watched approximately all of Mythbusters). And the moral preaching is true to TOS, if nothing else. That said, I do have one big complaint: the episodes almost all seem to end well before they actually end. I'm not sure whether to blame the writing or the directing; there may even be some of both. But they'll have a moment that is clearly written and/or directed as the end of an episode, only then they'll just keep going. In a way, the very first thing they did - an epilogue for 'Turnabout Intruder' - exemplifies the issue: an episode shouldn't need an epilogue. For a specific example, take Episode 2, 'Lolani'. The Enterprise crew fight tooth and nail (diplomatically speaking, though Kirk does get a double-boot in) to rescue an Orion slave girl, the titular Lolani, only to find their hands tied by Starfleet, who don't want to go to war with the Orions over one girl, and by her owner, who ignores Kirk's attempt to assert the moral high ground and refuses Kirk's offer to just buy her off him because it amuses him to spite Kirk. In the end, Kirk decides to disobey direct orders and has the Enterprise pursue the slaver's ship with intent to beam her off of it - only to have the ship explode right before he can, presumably blown up by Lolani, who would rather die than go back into slavery. End of episode, right? It's certainly filmed that way, with somber music, lingering shots of the bridge, and Kirk, shaken by the events, ordering the Enterprise back on course. But then the episode keeps going. Kirk looks through Lolani's temporary quarters and finds a data chip (or whatever they call those colored plastic cartridges on TOS) containing a message from Lolani, recorded in the event of her death, where she gives a big speech about freedom. He plays it through the whole ship, as if we might otherwise miss that this is Very Important. Then the crewman she earlier seduced into helping her try to escape comes by and asks for some leave, not-so-subtly hinting he intends to spread her message in Orion space, and Kirk gives him the chip. This isn't, to be clear, the length of something that would be the last little bit of an episode, after the last commercial break but before the credits; it's practically an act in itself the way it's filmed. In this specific case, I think it would have been a relatively simple fix - just don't linger on the ship's destruction, with all the bridge crew looking Very Sad. Treat it like the last thing that happens before the last commercial break: shocked expressions, dramatic Something Bad Happened music, quick fade to black. Come back with Captain's Log, Supplemental: Lolani blew herself up, what do. Kirk finds her message, plays it to himself, crewman comes in hinting he wants to spread an anti-slavery message, Kirk gives him the chip. The crewman doesn't even need to know what's on the chip; we know that some time after the episode, he'll listen to it and understand the message. Tighten the whole thing up so it only takes a few minutes. Anyway. Hopefully they'll get their pacing issues worked out for future episodes - though them still having them after six episodes, with the opportunity to take on criticism offered over months and months (I'm sure I'm not the first person to feel this way), doesn't bode well in that regard.
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Yeah, I can see that. ST:C is still the best of the fan films though, and Lolani is a great Star Trek episode period. It's a shame they probably won't be doing much more, though they do have at least one more coming out soon. "Come Not Between The Dragons" is probably their second best episode, if I recall my memories of watching them a year or so ago correctly.
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Astroman posted:It's a shame they probably won't be doing much more Fallout from the Axanar debacle? (I know he screwed the pooch, but I don't know what the new guidelines are.) Or just them running out of steam?
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FredMSloniker posted:Fallout from the Axanar debacle? (I know he screwed the pooch, but I don't know what the new guidelines are.) Or just them running out of steam? The operative one is that fanfilms have to be short, nothing full-episode length
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Tighclops posted:I hope Judd Nelson shows up in the new Star Trek show as a disheveled admiral who may or may not smoke too much weed Field promotion via Federation Matrix of Admiralty
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skasion posted:The operative one is that fanfilms have to be short, nothing full-episode length It's worth remembering that CBS/Paramount left an out, where you can bypass the restrictions if you get direct approval. How hard that is, who knows, but it's at least theoretically an option. I'm assuming they left it in so they could not be dicks to the groups who had been playing nice before the crack down.
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gently caress AXANAR. That is all.
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Q_res posted:It's worth remembering that CBS/Paramount left an out, where you can bypass the restrictions if you get direct approval. How hard that is, who knows, but it's at least theoretically an option. I'm assuming they left it in so they could not be dicks to the groups who had been playing nice before the crack down. I'm hoping the approval process consists of "Are you Alec Peters? No? Well, then have at it."
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Does it bother anyone else that Deep Space 9 makes sense as a name after they move it, but not before? Also lol at the Enterprise needing a transporter expert the episode after O'Brien leaves.
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Beachcomber posted:Does it bother anyone else that Deep Space 9 makes sense as a name after they move it, but not before? Bajor was already out in the boonies, DS9 worked fine as a name before and after they moved it.
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Rhyno posted:Bajor was already out in the boonies, DS9 worked fine as a name before and after they moved it. There was also the political implications of naming it something Bajoran, even if it was Bajoran property merely administered by Starfleet.
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Apparently I've been wrong about what "deep space" means. I thought a "deep space" station would be one not obviously orbiting something. Instead, I guess, it means "far away", probably using Earth as a reference point. 
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Well, I doubt they'd build a station out in the middle of nowhere in interstellar space. What good is that? You build these things to support resource gathering or to exert control and influence over a point of interest
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Beachcomber posted:Does it bother anyone else that Deep Space 9 makes sense as a name after they move it, but not before? Given I'm sure the Federation has hundreds of Deep Space facilities, I always wondered what happened to poor #9 to free up the name. I mean it is Star Trek so it probably got blighted by an angry alien demigod or something.
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VitalSigns posted:Christ, O'Brien. Abandoning your feral daughter on a deserted planet 300 years in the past where she'll probably die alone one day of an infected tooth or something rather than taking her to a therapist? What the hell. I know just get the kid a holodeck or something so they can run free with safety protocols
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The old DS9 actually had severe plumbing problems. Flooding everywhere, including sewage. The stench was incredible. They just wrote it off as a loss and somehow managed to requisition Terok Nor.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Given I'm sure the Federation has hundreds of Deep Space facilities, I always wondered what happened to poor #9 to free up the name. The original Deep Space Nine was erased from history by an imploding chronoton field, but the field then exploded, and the secondary shockwave prevented the stations after Nine from being renumbered. The Department of Temporal Investigations didn't intervene because, in the original history, they were never created.
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skooma512 posted:Well, I doubt they'd build a station out in the middle of nowhere in interstellar space. What good is that? You build these things to support resource gathering or to exert control and influence over a point of interest Starfleet's modus operandi is to go out and dick around in the middle of nowhere. I can entirely see them building space stations far from anything useful just to say they're exploring. What are they exploring on Deep Space 1337 exactly? They're charting trans-temporal subspace matrices in low-baryonic interstellar vacuum (or, watching subspace paint dry in the middle of loving nowhere and no one will bother them because SCIENCE  )
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^^^^ Exactly! skooma512 posted:Well, I doubt they'd build a station out in the middle of nowhere in interstellar space. What good is that? You build these things to support resource gathering or to exert control and influence over a point of interest You'd build a station in interstellar space to do special space .Also, I think the Argus array was just hanging in space, and possibly various (manned) subspace relays and the K-7 station.
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Deep Space means a major outpost beyond federation borders.Blazing Ownager posted:Given I'm sure the Federation has hundreds of Deep Space facilities, I always wondered what happened to poor #9 to free up the name. Huh? Hundreds? Pretty sure we only ever heard a handful - K7 in TOS and then a few single-figure ones in TNG. I assume K series were stations along the Klingon frontier in particular. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Beachcomber posted:Apparently I've been wrong about what "deep space" means. Yeah, which I always thought was kind of odd, unnecessarily human-centric. That attitude is even called out in the pilot by Kira sarcastically referring to Bajor as being on the "frontier" when Bashir is all wide-eyed at being so far out. But then for 7 years, everyone just accepts that this Bajoran-owned station is named according to someone else's perception of distance, like your local train station being called "Farpoint Station". Dirty fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Obviously a deep space station is where you hide your dreadnought at your meticulously obscure warp bookmark in nullsec.
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skooma512 posted:Well, I doubt they'd build a station out in the middle of nowhere in interstellar space. What good is that? You build these things to support resource gathering or to exert control and influence over a point of interest Rogue planets are cool poo poo
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skooma512 posted:Well, I doubt they'd build a station out in the middle of nowhere in interstellar space. What good is that? You build these things to support resource gathering or to exert control and influence over a point of interest
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FredMSloniker posted:Fallout from the Axanar debacle? (I know he screwed the pooch, but I don't know what the new guidelines are.) Or just them running out of steam? One of the guidelines was that if you were "in production" on a full length episode or movie that violated the guidelines, you could finish it. ST:C used that to broadly encompass stuff they had scripted but not filmed, and are using their very good relationship with Official Star Trek to pump out a few more. They had the closest working relationship with the powers that be, even more so than the New Voyages guys. Plus of all the fan films, they have the highest number of working actors/voice actors so they are a more professional operation. Their stated intent was to do 10-12 episodes as somewhat of an arc; but I have no idea if they'll get that far. They've put out one whole episode after the guidelines came out, and a new one is coming out soon. I always figure the next one will be the last, but then they keep doing more. In fact they just announced that in an upcoming episode they're going to have Nicola Bryant (Peri from Doctor Who), Anne Lockhart from BSG:TOS and Cas Anvar (Alex on The Expanse). No idea if those are cameos like Jamie Bamber or large roles but that's pretty big. Also as late as last year Rod Roddenberry was endorsing them and he's an exec producer on Discovery. They'll probably put out a couple more and wrap up, but there is a slight chance that they quietly go on doing a few more a year under the radar, especially if Axanar finally folds up and goes away.
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"Deep Space" stations are just starbases that are on alien territory outside the Federation's borders. They should probably be up to more than 9 of those by TNG time but oh well.
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I think it sort of makes sense. It seems like most places neighboring the Federation are at least nominally someone else's territory, so they probably reserve the "Deep Space" moniker for allies/clients like the Bajorans or for truly remote areas that no one is actively claiming. Building an extraterritorial military installation is going to look suspiciously like a landgrab and the Feds are obsessed with being diplomatic, so they probably don't build Deep Space stations without a good reason. Plus they have starships that can carry hundreds of people and operate independently for years, so maybe it's not really worth tying down a bunch of resources on a standing base in the middle of nowhere.
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