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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Rex-Goliath posted:

this looks cool but why don't they like openVPN?
probably because they use ipsec and openvpn doesn't, i think there's a few other reasons people have pointed out

e:

hackbunny posted:

salted hash browns posted:

I thought the issue with OpenVPN was you were always relying on 3rd party VPN clients that would occasionally leak traffic under certain situations? That using a normal built-in IPSEC VPN was the more robust option?
yes. this is a big issue for example on windows with wifi networks, where if a network goes down, its routes are removed from the table, and when it goes up they are readded, with the highest priority. wifi has a hiccup -> you are no longer passing through the vpn. the native windows vpn client, on the other hand, creates a proper point-to-point network, which has a higher priority than broadcast networks by default. it's more a limitation of the openvpn driver for windows, which can only create tap (i.e. broadcast) and not tun (i.e. p-to-p) networks, but still, it means you can't safely use openvpn on windows

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in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

afaik algo was released as a reaction to streisand https://github.com/jlund/streisand which includes openvpn and every other vpn or vpn-like

Rufus Ping
Dec 27, 2006





I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

Rex-Goliath posted:

this looks cool but why don't they like openVPN?

https://github.com/trailofbits/algo/blob/master/docs/FAQ.md#5-why-arent-you-using-openvpn

Rufus Ping
Dec 27, 2006





I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

PCjr sidecar posted:

afaik algo was released as a reaction to streisand https://github.com/jlund/streisand which includes openvpn and every other vpn or vpn-like

this is an insane amount of surface area to secure

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:



fair enough. cool now i have a project for this weekend :D

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

quote:

7. Where did the name "Algo" come from?
Algo is short for "Al Gore", the Vice President of Networks everywhere for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlcoinventing the Internet.
lmao

also there's a $500 bounty to port algo to bsd, with possible rewards for "partial solutions"

anthonypants fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Mar 29, 2017

GenJoe
Sep 15, 2010


Rehabilitated?


That's just a bullshit word.

i've seen that article before but holy poo poo this last paragraph

quote:

The great speed improvements in that release would not have been possible without this crazy hack. And needless to say, without Android’s open platform, we wouldn’t have had the opportunity to ship our best version of the app. There’s a lot of opportunity for building on Android, and we’re excited to keep bringing the Facebook experience to more people and devices.

"and to summarize these last 20 paragraphs help I haven't seen my family in weeks android is a perfectly fine development platform yes it is!"

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami

BattleMaster posted:

283 problems but isp data harvesting ain't one

actually according to the study you still have 51 problems with isp data harvesting

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010

anthonypants posted:

https://twitter.com/cczona/status/846859875854487553

there's a bunch more tweets in that thread too

the second sentence on that article sure got mangled. "out of all of them" and then it doesn't say what percent have malware

going by https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/01/majority-of-android-vpns-cant-be-trusted-to-make-users-more-secure/ it's a bit over a third

but a full 84% screwed up with IPv6 and 66% screwed up with DNS

at least a handful seem to be competent.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Kerning Chameleon posted:

Only because LastPass is specifically being targeted by the white hats. Once they get tired of all the smug comments and decide to turn the razor on Keepass, all bet will be off, I'd say.

:allears:

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

hmm, that's certainly some poop to touch

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

im the sentence "JavaScript is a powerful programming language that can easily be used maliciously"

stoopidmunkey
May 21, 2005

yep

Cold on a Cob posted:

Some people, when confronted with an isp data harvesting problem, think "I know, I'll use a vpn." Now they have 283 problems.

if you're feeling spied on, I feel bad for you son
I got 283 problems but a vpn ain't one

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Uncle at Nintendo posted:

Thanks. I did have a weird thing where I somehow had two Amazon accounts on the same email address. They just had two different passwords :stare:

So I could log in with my email address using one password, and see a bunch of purchases. And the using same exact email address but with a different password I'd see a completely different set of purchases. I guess it depended on whichever password I decided to use that day. I only figured it out because I'd randomly see that my amazon prime was gone and it was because I used a different password lol

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

Are ios vpns just as bad or is it limited to android?

I have tunnelbear that I use when I have to connect to an open network. Tell me that I'm wasting my money.

Share Bear
Apr 27, 2004

i didnt read the last 2 pages so i did that and my question was answered thank you

Share Bear fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 29, 2017

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



well that's a new one

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

anthonypants posted:

probably because they use ipsec and openvpn doesn't, i think there's a few other reasons people have pointed out

e:
yes. this is a big issue for example on windows with wifi networks, where if a network goes down, its routes are removed from the table, and when it goes up they are readded, with the highest priority. wifi has a hiccup -> you are no longer passing through the vpn. the native windows vpn client, on the other hand, creates a proper point-to-point network, which has a higher priority than broadcast networks by default. it's more a limitation of the openvpn driver for windows, which can only create tap (i.e. broadcast) and not tun (i.e. p-to-p) networks, but still, it means you can't safely use openvpn on windows
[/quote]

thats a reason not to use openvpn, but are there any reasons to use openvpn over the windows native vpn?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Shaggar posted:

thats a reason not to use openvpn, but are there any reasons to use openvpn over the windows native vpn?

it can be disguised to look like SSL traffic and you can set it up so it listens on port 443 and if you don't send it the special headers it just forwards the request to an actual HTTP server so it actually *seems* like a regular ol' HTTPS server, idk

it's got some neat little quirks and has worked in certain weird edge cases where other VPN's haven't but it's kinda ugly and weird, it's like the VLC of VPN's

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

Man, switching from lastpass is going to be a pain in the rear end. Think I'm going to do 1password now they they support more than apple devices.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






ipsec is an overly complex protocol with wayyyyy to many different modes and moving parts. You need to know what you're doing when setting it up.
OpenVPN is a lot simpler to configure and has far less potential for making mistakes.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
i run openvpn behind a http proxy at home, and it works behind literally any firewall ever as long as it passes http or even through a http proxy (which I've had to use once before at a location), and that owns. traffic just looks like legit http traffic with a random payload in beyond the headers

i don't use gameos on my work laptop though, so openvpn support is included and works pretty well

at work i have strongswan ikev2 running, and apple seems to have finally fixed their bullshit implementation so i'll keep it for now.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Truga posted:

at work i have strongswan ikev2 running, and apple seems to have finally fixed their bullshit implementation so i'll keep it for now.

oh don't worry it's still broken in a bunch of fun ways i've found, like DNS and routing

Asshole Masonanie
Oct 27, 2009

by vyelkin

akadajet posted:

Man, switching from lastpass is going to be a pain in the rear end. Think I'm going to do 1password now they they support more than apple devices.

ive been talking about this and the main reaction ive been getting is "why? they're going to fix the holes" but i still feel like i should move to 1password

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

akadajet posted:

Are ios vpns just as bad or is it limited to android?

I have tunnelbear that I use when I have to connect to an open network. Tell me that I'm wasting my money.

what's on the other end, and do you trust them?

i like to vpn home from public wifi and i do trust my home network but not necessarily my home upstream, wah wah

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

ate all the Oreos posted:

it can be disguised to look like SSL traffic and you can set it up so it listens on port 443 and if you don't send it the special headers it just forwards the request to an actual HTTP server so it actually *seems* like a regular ol' HTTPS server, idk

it's got some neat little quirks and has worked in certain weird edge cases where other VPN's haven't but it's kinda ugly and weird, it's like the VLC of VPN's

hmm. ive only really done IPSEC tunnels. is that an OpenVPN custom thing or is it SSTP?

burning swine
May 26, 2004



schranz kafka posted:

ive been talking about this and the main reaction ive been getting is "why? they're going to fix the holes" but i still feel like i should move to 1password

Tavis has descended from the heavens and fixed all of their stupid problems, but once he's done he will move on and the lastpass team will continue to introduce new fuckups

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



lastpass has had a poo poo security record going back since it was popularised ~2011, including downplaying their servers being compromised (multiple times), these vulnerabilities are not unusual and show a pattern of incompetence

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
yeah, as much as i want to believe people will take a hint when their dicks repeatedly get slammed with the cardoor, lastpass people don't seem to.

Shaggar posted:

hmm. ive only really done IPSEC tunnels. is that an OpenVPN custom thing or is it SSTP?

it's a custom openvpn thing, it encapsulates openvpn inside the http protocol: https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#http

it's very simple to set up though, if you already have an instance running just add http-proxy settings and put any web server with reverse proxy in front of it.
you can then connect as long as a firewall or proxy lets your http traffic pass.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

lastpass has had a poo poo security record going back since it was popularised ~2011, including downplaying their servers being compromised (multiple times), these vulnerabilities are not unusual and show a pattern of incompetence

but this time they'll get it right

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

OSI bean dip posted:

but this time they'll get it right
but all those problems are fixed now, and were fixed very quickly after they were discovered

Rufus Ping
Dec 27, 2006





I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano

Truga posted:

i run openvpn behind a http proxy at home, and it works behind literally any firewall ever as long as it passes http or even through a http proxy (which I've had to use once before at a location), and that owns. traffic just looks like legit http traffic with a random payload in beyond the headers

tcp over tcp though :pwn:

udp port 53 is almost as good for getting out of restrictive networks ime

spankmeister posted:

ipsec is an overly complex protocol with wayyyyy to many different modes and moving parts. You need to know what you're doing when setting it up.

also i feel slightly uneasy about my vpn software running partly in the kernel, good luck confining that

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



Rufus Ping posted:

udp port 53 is almost as good for getting out of restrictive networks ime
it's better because captive portals forget about dns a lot preferring to redirect 80/443 traffic to tell the user where to put their credit card info

Asshole Masonanie
Oct 27, 2009

by vyelkin

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

Tavis has descended from the heavens and fixed all of their stupid problems, but once he's done he will move on and the lastpass team will continue to introduce new fuckups

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

lastpass has had a poo poo security record going back since it was popularised ~2011, including downplaying their servers being compromised (multiple times), these vulnerabilities are not unusual and show a pattern of incompetence

this is what i had come to believe and now have words for. thank yous guys

Asshole Masonanie
Oct 27, 2009

by vyelkin
fwiw i really like 1password so far but i don't like that i'm going to have to pay for it

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

it's better because captive portals forget about dns a lot preferring to redirect 80/443 traffic to tell the user where to put their credit card info

they've gotten better recently, all the hotels i've been to for the last few years blocked external DNS :sigh:

i guess i could use that DNS-query-protocol VPN thing but christ i'll just pay the $5

Share Bear
Apr 27, 2004

schranz kafka posted:

fwiw i really like 1password so far but i don't like that i'm going to have to pay for it

it's worth it, and sometimes good software is worth paying for

or write a script that encrypts and decrypts a text file automatically, if your time is worth less than $40

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Share Bear posted:

or write a script that encrypts and decrypts a text file automatically, if your time is worth less than $40

https://www.passwordstore.org/

what i used before i used keepass. it's just a set of wrappers around gpg and git and works pretty well

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

it's better because captive portals forget about dns a lot preferring to redirect 80/443 traffic to tell the user where to put their credit card info

redirecting 443 traffic should work very poorly, unless the user is in a bad way indeed

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hifi
Jul 25, 2012

algo looks like a pain in the dick if you are using linode

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