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Someone in the Jason Schreier twitter thread made the argument that talking about masturbating to video game characters is something that women do not do. Which, based on my female friends, is a loving hilarious assertion.
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Mar 29, 2017 02:34
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Max Wilco posted:I'm not sure whether I should post this or not, but it looks like people are blowing up over this: God, if this is the new discourse, count me the gently caress out. Nick is a good guy, and joking tweet about masturbating to a video game character is the VERY VERY LEAST of our problems right now. FemFreq could stand to gain some perspective.
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Mar 29, 2017 02:40
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Kay Kessler posted:Someone in the Jason Schreier twitter thread made the argument that talking about masturbating to video game characters is something that women do not do. Which, based on my female friends, is a loving hilarious assertion. That too, I didn't realize we're suddenly gonna pretend like it's some toxic masculinity boys-only thing to talk about finding vidya gaem characters attractive, cause drat, I know some people they should meet. achillesforever6 posted:And play the Axis powers all the time in my RTSs phase Hey man, Germany was/is fun stuff in Company of Heroes. 
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Mar 29, 2017 02:55
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Roth posted:Yeah, that doesn't sound like him at all. Even about ten years ago when these guys started he was openly stating he is a feminist and takes issue with rape whenever it's brought up in any of the comics in his videos.
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Mar 29, 2017 02:56
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Krystal wank is old news. These days it's all about thirsty Link and Sidon-senpai. Sorry Zelda, you're yestercentury's news.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:04
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Mischalaniouse posted:God, if this is the new discourse, count me the gently caress out. Nick is a good guy, and joking tweet about masturbating to a video game character is the VERY VERY LEAST of our problems right now. FemFreq could stand to gain some perspective. Like if you're into Feminism Discourse there's some room for it (particularly the tacit assumption of only males involved) but that's Feminism Discourse and that certainly doesn't loving belong on twitter. I will never understand why people try to have serious discussions on a platform that is designed for ephemeral dumb jokes. I will also never understand why anyone bothers to pay attention to the FemFreq twitter aside from wanting to be outraged by whatever new hot takes Anita's boyfriend posts. It's just as dull as the videos but less educational. WHY is this the avatar of video games feminism??
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Mar 29, 2017 03:13
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With the rise of fascism worldwide, I really hope FemFreq stops being a loving embarrassment, because we really can't afford it.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:16
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Keep in mind that Mcintosh got pissed off at Tracer being a lesbian because it was a safe choice and not one that'd piss off straight white men or make them uncomfortable (because that's the only reason and metric to have inclusion in games, by the way). Don't bother looking at FemFreq's or his twitter unless you like bad hot takes. I'd love to see more feminist discourse over gaming and things surrounding it and I kind of wish other venues got as much attention as FemFreq does because I'd like to know what they are. I think FemFreq kind of ran its course and opened doors for more in-depth videos on it.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:18
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Watched the Mega-Ultra Lindsay Plus Everyone Stream. Good stuff, want more. Also... hbomberguy mentions a super secret SA forum easter egg, and you won't believe what happens next (click here to watch monetized stream)
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Mar 29, 2017 03:23
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Mischalaniouse posted:God, if this is the new discourse, count me the gently caress out. Nick is a good guy, and joking tweet about masturbating to a video game character is the VERY VERY LEAST of our problems right now. FemFreq could stand to gain some perspective. Jimbot posted:Krystal wank is old news. These days it's all about thirsty Link and Sidon-senpai. Sorry Zelda, you're yestercentury's news. Because I can only communicate using Twitter posts I've found:  This probably highlights my total lack of understanding, but that last one perplexes me. It seems comparable to when people complained that Polygon only gave Bayo2 a 7.5 or whatever. It's like, if you argue that reviews are subjective, and that Polygon was fine to give Bayo2 that score, then isn't it hypocritical to slam critics for giving BOTW positive reviews. Puppy Time posted:I will also never understand why anyone bothers to pay attention to the FemFreq twitter aside from wanting to be outraged by whatever new hot takes Anita's boyfriend posts. It's just as dull as the videos but less educational. WHY is this the avatar of video games feminism?? I'm pretty sure Jonathan McIntosh is no longer part of Feminist Frequency.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:24
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Max Wilco posted:then isn't it hypocritical to slam critics for giving BOTW positive reviews. Not taking sides here, but "positive" is a whole lot more vague than 10/10 perfect scores, which is what was being referenced in the tweet.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:28
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I haven't beaten the game, so I can't really comment on the story of Zelda. It's pretty threadbare and in the collectibles Zelda seems kind of annoyed to be in a Legend of Zelda story but I can see where they are coming from. I'm not as huge into the game as 95% of people who've played it. A lot of mechanic shortcomings get in the way of a pretty fantastic game. Jim Sterling's review is pretty much how I feel about it. Plus I came off of Horizon before it and really dug that game's flow and combat much more.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:34
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Those tweet-chains are literally just someone trolling on Twitter.
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Mar 29, 2017 03:39
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TheMaestroso posted:Not taking sides here, but "positive" is a whole lot more vague than 10/10 perfect scores, which is what was being referenced in the tweet. That's true. I guess my only argument is that the definition of a 'perfect game' is going to vary from person-to-person,
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Mar 29, 2017 03:39
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Ignoring FemFreq stretching across a football field to make a point, here's Contrapoints with a video about BDSM. I can't say I love it because it's kind of inconclusive but it brings up a lot of good points. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T58pd_D_xYo
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Mar 29, 2017 04:03
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Jimbot posted:Keep in mind that Mcintosh got pissed off at Tracer being a lesbian because it was a safe choice and not one that'd piss off straight white men or make them uncomfortable (because that's the only reason and metric to have inclusion in games, by the way). Don't bother looking at FemFreq's or his twitter unless you like bad hot takes. I'd love to see more feminist discourse over gaming and things surrounding it and I kind of wish other venues got as much attention as FemFreq does because I'd like to know what they are. I think FemFreq kind of ran its course and opened doors for more in-depth videos on it. Nick is also great because of Touch the Skyrim and Car Boys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnWtVVJgnRU achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mar 29, 2017 04:17
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Car Boys is my new addiction.
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Mar 29, 2017 05:13
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50LgwCJf4Ek It's nice to see Jack and Rich actually thoroughly enjoy a game again for once.
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Mar 29, 2017 05:13
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Neeksy posted:I have trouble liking Linkara because I knew him before he started doing videos; dude was really into Ann Coulter and went to a women's comics forum to pitch his idea about why a villain's motivation/backstory of being raped on stage was actually really compelling and not needlessly creepy. Dude might have changed since then but that's forever my mental association. I haven't watched him in a while but as I recall he really, really, really disliked rape being used as a plot device in stories. So yeah, maturing and stuff! Mischalaniouse posted:God, if this is the new discourse, count me the gently caress out. Nick is a good guy, and joking tweet about masturbating to a video game character is the VERY VERY LEAST of our problems right now. FemFreq could stand to gain some perspective. pretty sure the FemFreq twitter is still run by McIntosh who is needlessly hostile and tends to jump to conclusions that betray a lack of knowledge about what he's talking about. And his argument themselves can actually be kinda sexist if you think about them for two seconds He said that Witcher 3 was sexist because the bad guys that you murder when playing as Ciri call her a oval office in battle. First of all, they're the bad guys and you murder them. Second of all, the game takes place in a fantasy world styled after dark ages Europe, and is depicted as a cynical, hostile, and oppressive world where, among other things sexism is common. Third of all, they're poor European robbers so they say oval office like it's going out of style and the enemies still call you a oval office when you're playing as Geralt! Also: violent games are always sexist because violence is inherently masculine 
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Mar 29, 2017 05:32
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Max Wilco posted:Because I can only communicate using Twitter posts I've found: Zelda is hands-down the strongest character in Breath of the Wild. The game begins with her single-handedly keeping the world from falling apart, and Link is there to help her finish the job. I mean, hell, the only reason Link is even around her is because she's a princess, he's a knight, and the king is ordering him to go protect his daughter, who has gone off on her own to pursue her own personal studies on ancient tech, while also taking on the responsibility of literally being the savior of humanity. She is the textbook definition of a strong female protagonist. This is information whoever runs that Twitter would know, if they, you know, played the game.
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Mar 29, 2017 05:45
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why is the femfreq twitter mad about jacking off to krystal because she's a female character who got trapped in a crystal terrible and not because she's a um loving fox. I'm being trolled, right? what the gently caress
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Mar 29, 2017 06:05
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I mean Zelda gets 95% of the total character development in that game. BOTW's Zelda is probably the most three-dimensional character in the franchise, really. You could argue that the game is still more or less about saving her, or that a woman is still not allowed to be the perspective character, or that there's a cliche shy anime fish girl who is the healer and wants to bone Link but won't say it out loud. But it's hard not to see how the princess's role is different from past games. The appeal towards scores is...a bit weird? Like, most people don't even see the plot of these games as a necessary part of the experience and just want an excuse to run around a kingdom.
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Mar 29, 2017 06:12
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Tired Moritz posted:why is the femfreq twitter mad about jacking off to krystal because she's a female character who got trapped in a crystal terrible and not because she's a um loving fox. Your right she certainly is quite a... Vixen 
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Mar 29, 2017 06:13
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Augus posted:You could argue that the game is still more or less about saving her, or that a woman is still not allowed to be the perspective character, or that there's a cliche shy anime fish girl who is the healer and wants to bone Link but won't say it out loud.
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Mar 29, 2017 06:30
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The issue might be that if in order to understand the satire, it requires the context of knowing what is in the person's heart/actual beliefs and thus Twitter is a lovely platform for such satire. Poe's Law is a bitch! Glad to hear that Linkara matured, though!
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Mar 29, 2017 07:12
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the more important thing about this discussion is people fuckin played Star Fox Adventures? gently caress me
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Mar 29, 2017 07:16
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Alaois posted:the more important thing about this discussion is People played it, and people were burned.
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Mar 29, 2017 07:18
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Alaois posted:the more important thing about this discussion is I was desperate for my Zelda-likes. I think I liked it?
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Mar 29, 2017 07:27
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Tracula posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50LgwCJf4Ek Wow, they still have that giant stack of Nukie tapes. I thought they would've thrown those in a dumpster long ago.
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Mar 29, 2017 07:59
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Alaois posted:the more important thing about this discussion is i mean, it's not a terrible game. it's thoroughly mediocre. there were some cool parts, there was a fairly substantial amount of it that felt unfinished and/or rushed, and really its biggest single flaw is how not starfox it was.
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Mar 29, 2017 08:00
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A good poster posted:Wow, they still have that giant stack of Nukie tapes. I thought they would've thrown those in a dumpster long ago. I'd thought they were building up to a Best of the World joke with them, but it's been like two years now.
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Mar 29, 2017 08:04
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financially racist posted:i mean, it's not a terrible game. it's thoroughly mediocre. there were some cool parts, there was a fairly substantial amount of it that felt unfinished and/or rushed, and really its biggest single flaw is how not starfox it was. Really the issue is that Jak and Daxter exists. It really solidified the idea at the time that the PS2 was the future and the GameCube was a plastic lunchbox for babies. They're very similar games and feature a lot of the same general gameplay concepts (in an elevator pitch sense) but SFA is a boring sludgey mess of a game and J&D still plays good to this day. Basically the entire story of the GameCube is Nintendo desperately trying to claw toward relevance only for some amazingly good PS2 or Xbox game to come out and shove their head back into the toilet. A lot of it was Nintendo's fault as well, in 2004 their contribution to the greatest even month of video games (November 2004) was Metroid Prime 2 (a good game) and their two big holiday season tentpole games were MP2 and Mario Party 6 (and too be fair, the DS, but still). They took their only big name adult/teen focused franchise and shot it into the meat grinder against two of the greatest FPS games that had ever been made at that point in time, and one of the most over hyped ones for good measure.
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Mar 29, 2017 08:33
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Hot take: all of the people slamming on FemFreq's hot take are way more annoying than the take itself. Going on a rant because someone misunderstood a joke on twitter is pretty weird.
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Mar 29, 2017 08:44
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it's such a weird joke to misconstrue though like how can someone read a tweet about people jacking off to krystal the fox and think to themselves, this is something I need to jump on about how it's bad to masturbate to fictional characters.
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Mar 29, 2017 08:51
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Yeah, and it's a good thing all of you are here to explain what most people are thinking.
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Mar 29, 2017 08:53
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I have an excellent solution to the femfreq twitter being bad: Don't read it
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Mar 29, 2017 08:52
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sorry for talking about internet critics in this thread. 
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Mar 29, 2017 08:54
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Mar 29, 2017 08:55
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A good summary of your posts. PS: They're bad.
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Mar 29, 2017 08:59
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Tired Moritz posted:sorry for talking about internet critics in this thread. You're already dead to us. Also, didn't you use to have an avatar?
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