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This show is pretty drat discomforting. Not Hannibal levels of it (what is?), but it's not exactly a romp.
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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah, totally apt description of this show. It is a show that features people with superpowers, it is going to be put in the genre show box and get completely overlooked. Better shows than Legion have been snuffed because of this, a good example is John Noble on Fringe.
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Mar 29, 2017 06:40
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savinhill posted:I'm not familiar with the comic book version of the Shadow King, but on this show, both his and The Angriest Boy in the World's look and design remind me most of the aesthetics of some of the creatures and characters from Floyd's The Wall movie. I'm curious if that's specifically the case, as Floyd has been a big influence in other ways for Hawley with the making of Legion. If SK shows up as a talking rear end then I think I'm checking out for the rest of the season. 
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Mar 29, 2017 06:46
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Chokes McGee posted:If SK shows up as a talking rear end then I think I'm checking out for the rest of the season. I don't know, this show's done enough crazy poo poo I'd still be on board.
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Mar 29, 2017 07:44
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ashpanash posted:But Hannibal was morose and dark and left people feeling uncomfortable. This is much more playful, with an almost Worhol-like love affair with pop culture. I could see someone not liking it if they hate surrealism or doubting what they're seeing is "real." I know a lot of people like that, and totally get it. I'm not one of them, but that's a legit taste issue. But to write a show off because of it's very, very basic genre is dumb. You might as well compare Jacob's Ladder to Friday the 13th because they both have horror in the category. I guess it's kind of like how nobody took sci-fi seriously for years. ED: At least Legion is getting good ratings and good critical praise, so honestly I don't have THAT much to bitch about. It's not as if it's completely being hated and is heading to cancellation, in fact it just locked another season. I just hope they keep the show runner, I don't think it'd last without them. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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Mar 29, 2017 07:47
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None of that really matters to awards committees though. I'm betting the only reason this is going to be considered is because of Noah Hawley's previous wins with Fargo. Otherwise it would still be written off as genre tv no matter how many acclaims it gets.
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Mar 29, 2017 12:58
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hope and vaseline posted:None of that really matters to awards committees though. I'm betting the only reason this is going to be considered is because of Noah Hawley's previous wins with Fargo. Otherwise it would still be written off as genre tv no matter how many acclaims it gets. Step 1) Establishment picks X to win award for Y Step 2) X makes Z Step 3) Y and Z are associated with each other Step 3) Z is now part of the establishment Not to diminish your feelings towards the establishment and its treatment of outsidethings, but like... that's kind of how it goes. It's totally unfair in a lot of ways, but if Legion gets a bump all of it gets a bump. To be honest, if the genre wasn't gaining so much momentum recently, Hawley and many of the other hands in making Legion great probably wouldn't be working in the genre.
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Mar 29, 2017 14:48
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hope and vaseline posted:Otherwise it would still be written off as genre tv no matter how many acclaims it gets. Things have changed, Mr Robot won best actor last year. A comic book show with arthouse aspirations has a very good chance.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:12
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punchymcpunch posted:Things have changed, Mr Robot won best actor last year. A comic book show with arthouse aspirations has a very good chance. I'm not sure how Mr. Robot is considered genre though? It's fairly grounded (at least in season 1) in the present world and is kind of a straightforward drama that also happens to deal with mental illness. Ok, dammit, that actually does kind of pave the way for Legion.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:21
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hope and vaseline posted:I'm not sure how Mr. Robot is considered genre though? It's fairly grounded (at least in season 1) in the present world and is kind of a straightforward drama that also happens to deal with mental illness. Ok, dammit, that actually does kind of pave the way for Legion. Hollywood hacking are basically mutants with tk and mind reading.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:37
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Mr. Robot is not in any way a "comic book show", and I wouldn't call it a genre show either. What's the genre? "hacking"?
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Mar 29, 2017 15:37
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Escobarbarian posted:Mr. Robot is not in any way a "comic book show", and I wouldn't call it a genre show either. What's the genre? "hacking"? Again the way hacking is portrayed it's as much genre superpower tk guy.
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Mar 29, 2017 15:54
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Escobarbarian posted:Mr. Robot is not in any way a "comic book show", and I wouldn't call it a genre show either. What's the genre? "hacking"? Techno-thriller?
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Mar 29, 2017 16:08
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Hollywood's perceived genre for both Mr. Robot and Legion is obviously
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Mar 29, 2017 16:28
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Escobarbarian posted:Mr. Robot is not in any way a "comic book show", and I wouldn't call it a genre show either. What's the genre? "hacking"? cyberpunk
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Mar 29, 2017 16:46
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Henchman of Santa posted:Techno-thriller? This one is the closest I come to agreeing with but I still don't think that makes it a genre piece as opposed to a drama.
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Mar 29, 2017 17:03
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punchymcpunch posted:cyberpunk This for sure.
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Mar 29, 2017 17:08
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That's an offshoot of science fiction which Mr. Robot most definitely is not
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Mar 29, 2017 17:35
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Escobarbarian posted:Mr. Robot is not in any way a "comic book show", and I wouldn't call it a genre show either. What's the genre? "hacking"? The lead character looks like a human/fish chimera, so I would go with aquatic adventure.
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Mar 29, 2017 17:37
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Anything that isn't a soap opera, a reality show, or a terrible police procedural is a "genre show".
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Mar 29, 2017 17:48
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Phylodox posted:Anything that isn't a soap opera, a reality show, or a terrible police procedural is a "genre show". But those are all genres?
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Mar 29, 2017 17:53
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Henchman of Santa posted:But those are all genres? They're not "genre shows". With quotation marks. Which, in this case, means "dismissable nerd stuff" like sci-fi, horror, or anything that doesn't neatly fit into the aforementioned categories.
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Mar 29, 2017 18:54
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Trying to squeeze Mr. Robot into a "genre show" is giving me flashbacks to high school where kids would argue that some pop song or movie they like isn't REALLY pop because its actually totally something those other people don't get. Don't define yourself by what you watch on TV. Its silly.
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Mar 29, 2017 20:17
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Escobarbarian posted:That's an offshoot of science fiction which Mr. Robot most definitely is not Yeah but the core themes of cyberpunk when they're not dealing with AI or VR are the vast gap between the corporations that run the world and those left scrounging to survive in their wake and the few who try to strike back. It's super cyberpunk, it's just that cyberpunk became the modern day. Even William Gibson is just doing modern day stuff nowadays
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Mar 29, 2017 22:06
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It can contain cyberpunk and techno-thriller themes without actually being either of those things. If I was being super descriptive I'd call it a character drama with a techno-thriller bent, but if we're just putting it in one category I'd have to go for drama. Especially after season 2, which is far less about the hacking stuff. ANYWAY LEGION FINALE TONIGHT YEEEEAH
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Mar 29, 2017 22:47
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Escobarbarian posted:
Whoa what? I thought it as 10 episodes. Edit: poo poo, it is only 8. 
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Mar 29, 2017 23:11
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Dragonrah posted:Whoa what? I thought it as 10 episodes. Actually it was 12 episodes but we've all been Mandela effected by the Shadow king to forget.
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Mar 29, 2017 23:19
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Oasx posted:It is a show that features people with superpowers, it is going to be put in the genre show box and get completely overlooked. Better shows than Legion have been snuffed because of this, a good example is John Noble on Fringe. I'll take that bet, easy. That stigma and the lame-rear end genre arguments that it produces are beginning to fade, and more importantly, this show is so loving nuts it makes it really difficult to view it as a standard superhero show within the first episode, and only further rejects genre (and all other) conventions as it continues. In fact, that rejection itself is likely to be what gives it its reach. Hawley's already made his name with the critics with Fargo, and Plaza, the most mainstream actor on the cast, puts on the drat performance of her life. It's already picking up a lot of attention among non-nerds, and FX is completely cleaning up in general right now, so people are paying attention. I'm not gonna pretend like I know poo poo about TV awards, and this show might not get as much widespread love as I think it deserves (cuz I'm a huge loving Stan, clearly), but I really can't believe this show will be overlooked.
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Mar 29, 2017 23:33
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Heads up, according to critics who've already seen the episode there is a little extra something something during the credits tonight. Just in case you aren't like me and sit in mute shock as the credits roll trying to process what you just saw.
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howe_sam posted:Heads up, according to critics who've already seen the episode there is a little extra something something during the credits tonight. Just in case you aren't like me and sit in mute shock as the credits roll trying to process what you just saw. That's kinda like me, except I'm not so much "sitting in mute shock" as I am "applauding and laughing over the fact that this show even exists."
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Mar 30, 2017 00:35
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DivisionPost posted:That's kinda like me, except I'm not so much "sitting in mute shock" as I am "applauding and laughing over the fact that this show even exists." I've done both, at different episodes. I like how every credit music song is utterly perfect to whatever the gently caress just happened. it's good for decompressing a bit and absorbing it.
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Mar 30, 2017 00:41
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Spatula City posted:I've done both, at different episodes. I like how every credit music song is utterly perfect to whatever the gently caress just happened. it's good for decompressing a bit and absorbing it. Every time the credits start to roll I give an almost instant "wait...". And watch it again now that I'm caught up and am only watching on Hulu.
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Mar 30, 2017 02:21
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lol using Pink Floyd on a show with a character named Syd Barrett.
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Mar 30, 2017 03:40
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Henchman of Santa posted:lol using Pink Floyd on a show with a character named Syd Barrett. Someone here literally posted about wondering whether there would be a pink Floyd inspired scene, that's crazy
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Mar 30, 2017 03:43
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Yup been waiting all season for a Pink Floyd song. Breath did not disappoint.
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Mar 30, 2017 03:44
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I hope the Shadow King shows up in Oliver's head next year and is played by Bret McKenzie.
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Mar 30, 2017 03:55
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Codependent Poster posted:I hope the Shadow King shows up in Oliver's head next year and is played by Bret McKenzie. I'll also accept Rhys Darby.
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Mar 30, 2017 03:57
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That's a good hook for the next season
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Mar 30, 2017 04:05
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Hahah, WTF?!
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Well that's a hell of a cliffhanger to put after the credits
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