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Obsurveyor posted:Nobody is. You'll just have to wait and see like the rest of us. Flip a coin if it makes you feel better. Welp, back to sleep.
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FaustianQ posted:Simulated 4 Core Ryzens, using the setup AMD is claiming will be for sale, are slightly behind the 6 and 8 core Ryzens CPU's and it consistently beats the Pentiums and i3s while sitting at a very competitive price. These benchmarks are in this thread, done by a reviewer Paul has trusted; he's just legit trolling or hyperventilating, I can't tell which, Poe's Law and all. So what would you honest recommendation be regarding the R6 1600X: Wait until later in the year to see what revisions occur, or good enough to jump on at release?
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My 1700 games at 1080p just fine  Just waiting on better ram compatibility now and a corsair aio bracket. I'd put a bit of skepticism into he 7700k vs ryzen benchmarks until everyone rebenches for the R5 release. Results seem too good given there is 5% from ipc and 25% clock advantage to make up.
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Hardware Unboxed on 2+2 and 4+0 configuration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhj6CvBnwNk TLDR, no real difference in GPU bound and CPU bound games. Anarchist Mae fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Nice to see that it's down to just the IMC and software for Ryzen. I can see why AMD went 2+2 though if it means 16MB L3, compared to a 4+0 which would only have access to 8MB.SourKraut posted:So what would you honest recommendation be regarding the R5 1600X: Wait until later in the year to see what revisions occur, or good enough to jump on at release? It really depends on your setup IMO, and if you do any productivity. If it's purely gaming, the R5 1400 and 1500X look fine, if you do streaming, editing, etc, get the 1600X. If the performance now looks great, I'd say get it now and then upgrade to Pinnacle Ridge if it's about 20% better. Intel is the best choice still if money is not a concern and from a purely gaming standpoint the 7700K is the best price/perf still. Expect this kind of match up to remain for quite a bit or even tip in AMD's favor as Pinnacle is hitting desktop from the looks of things way before Cannonlake will, and Skylake-X/Kabylake-X/Coffeelake don't look to really shake things up.
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FaustianQ posted:Nice to see that it's down to just the IMC and software for Ryzen. I can see why AMD went 2+2 though if it means 16MB L3, compared to a 4+0 which would only have access to 8MB. my question at this point is how well does zen do with emulation? I want to say not well because of low clock rate.
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wargames posted:my question at this point is how well does zen do with emulation? I want to say not well because of low clock rate. Emulation of what? It's going to be more than enough performance for things up to like the PS2 and Wii, even Bulldozer chips could handle that. It might not be good for the currently very early PS3/360/Wii U emulators being made, but those also barely run well on the highest end Intel chips at the moment.
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fishmech posted:Emulation of what? It's going to be more than enough performance for things up to like the PS2 and Wii, even Bulldozer chips could handle that. on my 4690 citrea the 3ds emulator isn't great.
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wargames posted:on my 4690 citrea the 3ds emulator isn't great. Citra is slow crap at the moment on almost every CPU. It'll get a lot better in another year or so but at the moment they're just focused on getting games to run correctly even if they're quite slow. Later, they'll move onto getting them at a playable speed. When it's a more usable state it should run fine on your current hardware, and the current Ryzen line. Much like the people working on the 360 and PS3 emulators, the team for Citra wants to make sure they get everything done right the first time, rather than getting things working acceptably to run fast from the start, which will mean more work later to get everything to run correctly.
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What's the go to Ryzen motherboard? I see that both the B350 and the X370 allow for overclocking. Any reason to choose the X370 over the B350 if you're just planning to overclock and stick a GPU in it? I'd prefer an ITX mobo but they aren't released yet.
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Keep an eye on the power supply components. Most B350 boards I've seen have 4+2 phases which is ok for a future 4 core APU but barely enough for a 8 core CPU at stock frequency. Good X370 boards have up to 12+2 phases.
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eames posted:Keep an eye on the power supply components. Most B350 boards I've seen have 4+2 phases which is ok for a future 4 core APU but barely enough for a 8 core CPU at stock frequency. Good X370 boards have up to 12+2 phases. Thanks, this is the kind of info I wanted to know
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Risky Bisquick posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/61sxx3/am4_motherboard_tier_list_updated_32717/ quote:Block this user. It's Asrock PR. That's why he posts it four times. Also everyone who mentions Asrocks Poor and Cheap VRMs got downvoted hard in the other threads of him. This guy is a scam account. It's sad such things happen... And it's sad this guy disguises this PR in a "Info-Thread" ...
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In case anyone is looking for ram not on the QVL this is probably the best way...  Copy paste from the X370s for a start with your board.site:valid.x86.fr ryzen gaming-cf CMK16GX4M2B3000C15
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Well I got my system to boot @ 2400 Edit: nope, 2400 it is I guess gwrtheyrn fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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A mildly useful benchmark for those who have to do something like compile Unreal Engine 4 a lot:  Just under 19 minutes total. 1800X, 2x16 3200 @ 2666 (16-17-17-36), 256gb 600P NVME Edit: as an aside, doing this turned out to be a better "stress test" or "shakedown" than anything else I've ever used. In the process of trying to build this I discovered that a windows update had disabled HPET (and I wouldn't have noticed had RYZEN MASTER not said anything when I checked it after the BSOD), and then hit another BSOD because I was hitting 500MB/s writes on the NVME and this triggered something that apparently required new firmware, which seemed to make the SSD a tiny bit faster overall. eames posted:Keep an eye on the power supply components. Most B350 boards I've seen have 4+2 phases which is ok for a future 4 core APU but barely enough for a 8 core CPU at stock frequency. Good X370 boards have up to 12+2 phases. This is ultimately why you're not going to go past ~4.1ghz with any B350 board I'm aware of right now. Also might as well get a good external clock to go stupid with the ram, it really does matter a whole loving lot. I'm gonna return the B350 board and buy a real motherboard now. Still, for $99, the ASUS PRIME is "pretty good value" Have been loving the poo poo out of this thing in DiRT Rally, even with just a Fury OC. (1080p Ultra, 2xMSAA)  Not that I have to justify that this somehow results in a much better driving experience or anything, but I recently beat one of my best times (28th global on Monte, Group B AWD) with relative ease. It's just so much more responsive, I've never experienced such a high minimum FPS with such fidelity. You'll notice I was playing on Medium settings in that replay, after a few runs at Ultra I figured if more really was better, I could live with ugly trees for a better driving experience. New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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New Zealand can eat me posted:
Doesn't sound like too big a deal as you're never going to go past 4.1GHz with Ryzen anyway unless you luck out with a 99th+ percentile chip.
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BurritoJustice posted:Doesn't sound like too big a deal as you're never going to go past 4.1GHz with Ryzen anyway unless you luck out with a 99th+ percentile chip. I've been seeing more and more posts of 4.2-4.3 on people that had otherwise given up on going past 4.1 on the various enthusiast spots, so I'm not so sure that's true anymore. E: I can get away with 4175 if I really want to use absurd voltages, but I think if I had way more power states it would definitely be stable past that. I leave it at 4100 because that seems the most stable with this board. New Zealand can eat me fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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New Zealand can eat me posted:I've been seeing more and more posts of 4.2-4.3 on people that had otherwise given up on going past 4.1 on the various enthusiast spots, so I'm not so sure that's true anymore. Yeah, some people are getting slightly better overclocking results now that there have been some bios updates.
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Are there any utilities that report actual temperatures yet? Master and hwmonitor are showing ~50c idle and ~90c during prime95, and I don't know if that's actual temps or 20c above Also what kind of coolers are people using? I have the 120mm noctua, so the reported temps are hitting 90c under load (1.35v @ 3.9ghz) and it shuts down some time after that. I might need to get a better cooler which sucks gwrtheyrn fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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gwrtheyrn posted:Are there any utilities that report actual temperatures yet? Master and hwmonitor are showing ~50c idle and ~90c during prime95, and I don't know if that's actual temps or 20c above if the offset is happening like reported (+20), your actual temp is 70c. whatever the offset is, a 40c rise above idle followed by system shutdown isn't great. that seems pretty awful for that heatsink whatever the offset is. Noctua are good, though they're intended more for being quiet than mega-ocing (the fans they use are slower & lower CFM than the average tower). But they should be able to handle ryzen's output better than that. If I were you I'd start by remounting the sink and checking the paste, surfaces, etc in case you hosed something up. if it's fine and that's really the heat output you're dealing with, you're gonna need water to do better. edit: or you've got a binned 1700x and it's not gonna do a lot in the OC department Klyith fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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I'm going to hope that it's because the fan was supposedly running at 1krpm instead of its actual max even up to 90c reported, but if all else fails, I'll try reseating it this weekend. 1.3175 or w/e @ 3.75 was still hitting up around 85c apparently the bios fan settings are basically useless in that silent, standard, performance, and full speed just mean 800, 1000, 1100, and 1500 rpm respectively because it uses the MB cpu temp which seems never change from around 50 while the package temp jumps to 80+ because ryzen I guess Setting fans to max brought the temps down about 4-5 degrees with 1.3175 @ 3.75 to 81C running prime95 with 1344k in place transforms. I'll play with reseating the heatsink this weekend gwrtheyrn fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Mar 28, 2017 |
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Regrettable posted:Yeah, some people are getting slightly better overclocking results now that there have been some bios updates. Yeah, definitely saw a bit more stability out of the ASUS Prime B350 w/ 0513. It's neat/terrifying that you can just download and then load it right out of the downloads folder from the BIOS.
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Someone asked ASUS to send them nudes. Joke request, but interesting photo response. Left is an AMD mobo, right side is an Intel.
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At first I thought that weird extra ram slot was a cool NVDIMM thing, but nope they just decided to confusingly use a DIMM slot for a PCIe riser card so you could cool it with a DIMM fan
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Why does that Intel motherboard only have two dimms in that form factor ed: oh, OPTANE SUPER SPEED MEMORY
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Risky Bisquick posted:Why does that Intel motherboard only have two dimms in that form factor That board is designed specifically for competitive overclocking. Dropping to 2 DIMMs means the traces to the CPU are shorter which lets them squeeze out slightly better memory clocks.
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Platystemon posted:AMD mobo is more visually pleasing. The stripes are bad, what's wrong with empty space though?
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:The stripes are bad, what's wrong with empty space though? As far as I can tell it's just space where heatsinks and stuff needs to go.
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Welp the frankenstein machine worked out pretty well and I'm looking at getting decent hardware. Is it worth getting the 1700X over the base 1700, or am I better off just overclocking the 1700 and sticking a fat water cooling block on it?
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Zero Gravitas posted:Welp the frankenstein machine worked out pretty well and I'm looking at getting decent hardware. A fat water block would nearly make up the price difference in those CPUs ,no?
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