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pookel posted:That sounds quicker and better than what I thought it meant - having each limb tied to a rope attached to a separate horse, and the horses then ridden in four different directions. That's one definition of "drawn and quartered" and was also known as "disruption".
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Well since we're onto horrible punishments from antiquity might as well blow the dust off this old thread favorite: Scaphism or How I Stopped Living and Learned to Die in The Boats having a pretty bad time posted:The intended victim was stripped naked and then firmly fastened within the interior space of two narrow rowing boats (or hollowed-out tree trunks) joined together one on top of the other with the head, hands and feet protruding. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey, and more honey would be poured on the victim to attract insects, with special attention devoted to the eyes, ears, mouth, face, genitals, and anus. In some cases, the executioner would mix milk and honey and pour that mixture all over the victim. The victim would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects which would eat and breed within the victim's exposed flesh, which—pursuant to interruption of the blood supply by burrowing insects—became increasingly gangrenous. Yeah, they really came up with inventive bad ways to die back in the day.
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pookel posted:That sounds quicker and better than what I thought it meant - having each limb tied to a rope attached to a separate horse, and the horses then ridden in four different directions. I think that's what it usually means. As in the horses draw you apart.
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My version of it comes from an episode of "great British castles" on the bbc, and actually happened to some dickhead English Lord in Cardiff for brutalising the Welsh.
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Pick posted:That's one definition of "drawn and quartered" and was also known as "disruption". Hence the phrase Disruptive Technology
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:My version of it comes from an episode of "great British castles" on the bbc, and actually happened to some dickhead English Lord in Cardiff for brutalising the Welsh. we call it the Big British Castle over here
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NLJP posted:we call it the Big British Castle over here that's.... worse
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:On this subject, up until recently I didn't really understand what being "drawn and quartered" meant. I assumed it meant having your arms and legs broken on a rack, but it was actually much worse. You would be strapped to a ladder, and disemboweled with two strokes: one vertically from your chest to your groin, and one horizontally across your belly. That's only the 'drawn' part. The most common reference you hear (in the UK at least) is to traitors being hung, drawn and quartered. The hung part is pretty self explanatory. The victim would be hanged, but not until they died, just enough for them to suffer good. Then they would be 'drawn' as you describe. So called because they were drawing out the entrails. Most people would live for a while after this. Sometimes there's reference to the entrails being thrown on a brazier (still attached) while the victim watched. Then, once they were dead they would be 'quartered', literally. They would chop off the head, for display locally, then split the body into four quarters. The quarters were sent to the four corners of the kingdom as a reminder not to gently caress with the king. Sends a message in a pre-literacy pre-photography world.
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Underwater Shoe posted:That's only the 'drawn' part. The most common reference you hear (in the UK at least) is to traitors being hung, drawn and quartered. I guess the last part was just too brutal for the beeb
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Mar 29, 2017 23:12
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Huh, so Braveheart was accurate on that.
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Gatekeeper posted:
He just wanted to stay abreast of medical news.
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Stare-Out posted:Huh, so Braveheart was accurate on that. It might be the only accurate part of the movie.
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Underwater Shoe posted:That's only the 'drawn' part. The most common reference you hear (in the UK at least) is to traitors being hung, drawn and quartered. Don't forget the emasculation part!!
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Solice Kirsk posted:It might be the only accurate part of the movie. Dude I just remembered how hosed up that first person execution scene was in Apocalypto.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Well since we're onto horrible punishments from antiquity might as well blow the dust off this old thread favorite: I believe the boats, along with stuff like the brazen bull, the blood eagle and the iron maiden are pretty much historically unfounded and probably never happened. There are plenty of equally disgusting ways to die like The Wheel though so it's not like they were unbelievable
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None of these are as cool as being put in a bag with a monkey a dog and a snake and getting chucked off a bridge
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:None of these are as cool as being put in a bag with a monkey a dog and a snake and getting chucked off a bridge True, but bag technology wasn't where it is today in the middle ages. I bet you'd be hard pressed to fit even a moderately sized gibbon in a bag with a dog, snake, and human back then.
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What about a large sack
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verbal enema posted:What about a large sack Haha slow down there copernicus. Sack technology wasn't even at the theoretical stages yet
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It's hard for us to imagine a time before sacks, pouches, totes, or even a simple hobo bindle, but none of those things existed until right around 1875.
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Impalement is probably one of the worst execution methods but I guess it gets overlooked because of its simplicity
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BattleMaster posted:Impalement is probably one of the worst execution methods but I guess it gets overlooked because of its simplicity Death of a thousand cuts looks pretty bad depending on where they start. And that one actually has photographic proof from the early 1900s. Internment is probably terrible too but way longer. I can't find out any information about THAT image of the Mongolian woman in a box but it's haunting as gently caress 
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:that's.... worse you did not get the joke
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BattleMaster posted:Impalement is probably one of the worst execution methods but I guess it gets overlooked because of its simplicity I've been bored so I'm listening to old podcasts. Dan Carlin's "Prophets of Doom" about the anabaptist rebellion in Munster (1534-1535) is about the worst executions I've heard of. The leaders were ripped apart slowly bit by bit with red hot tongs for a mandatory one hour before they were allowed to die. That's up there with death of a thousand cuts. Fo3 has a new favorite as of 06:23 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:Yeah, they really came up with inventive bad ways to die back in the day. Here's another antiquated method of execution, popular in the 16th-18th century. It was usually done using cannons: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_from_a_gun "The prisoner is generally tied to a gun with the upper part of the small of his back resting against the muzzle. When the gun is fired, his head is seen to go straight up into the air some forty or fifty feet; the arms fly off right and left, high up in the air, and fall at, perhaps, a hundred yards distance; the legs drop to the ground beneath the muzzle of the gun; and the body is literally blown away altogether, not a vestige being seen."
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Crash_N_Burn posted:Here's another antiquated method of execution, popular in the 16th-18th century. It was usually done using cannons: That doesn't seem that bad tbh, quick, little chance of failure, most of the current execution methods in the US are worse than this I think. The one I will always remember is a medieval technique where you hang a person upside down and just saw them in half with a huge saw. Supposedly the rush of blood to the head meant they could remain conscious quite a while before they passed out from blood loss.
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chernobyl kinsman posted:you did not get the joke If the joke was that the castles are not "great" because they were used to oppress the Welsh/Irish/Scottish, it doesn't really work because they also built their own castles, and most were built by the Normans anyway. If not, feel free to explain.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Death of a thousand cuts looks pretty bad depending on where they start. And that one actually has photographic proof from the early 1900s. Internment is probably terrible too but way longer. I can't find out any information about THAT image of the Mongolian woman in a box but it's haunting as gently caress mongoliangloryhole.jpg
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:If the joke was that the castles are not "great" because they were used to oppress the Welsh/Irish/Scottish, it doesn't really work because they also built their own castles, and most were built by the Normans anyway. If not, feel free to explain. It's a Great British Bake Off joke I'm like 99% sure
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:If the joke was that the castles are not "great" because they were used to oppress the Welsh/Irish/Scottish, it doesn't really work because they also built their own castles, and most were built by the Normans anyway. If not, feel free to explain. I think the joke was that Big British Castle is an acronym for the BBC, which you mentioned in your post.
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Aesop Poprock posted:I can't find out any information about THAT image of the Mongolian woman in a box but Are you sure she's being executed? I recall reading somewhere that because most groups in Mongolian were nomadic they didn't have prisons like settled populations do. Because of this they would punish people by placing them in large crates that they could carry around with them on their travels. She might just be a prisoner and could be released at some point. When was that picture taken though? Is it one of those colour photographs that Russian guy made of the empire just before World War I? cloudchamber has a new favorite as of 22:29 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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cloudchamber posted:Are you sure she's being executed. I recall reading somewhere that because most groups in Mongolian were nomadic they didn't have prisons like settled populations do. Because of this they would punish people by placing them in large crates that they could carry around with them on their travels. She must just be a prisoner who could be released at some point. When was that picture taken though? Is it one of those colour pictures that Russian guy made of the empire just before World War I? I was curious, so I did some digging - I traced the image to a National Geographic issue from 1922, which you can see here. It only has the picture, though - no other information. This site has additional, albeit unverified, information on the picture and the person who took it. There doesn't seem to be any corroborating evidence supporting the execution theory, though - the wiki discussion has a bunch of sources that I haven't bothered looking at, but they all seem to point towards this being non-lethal punishment.
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That first link seems to be correct in pointing to it being from a project to photograph the world which a French millionaire funded. I found a BBC documentary about the project which briefly discusses the image. It was part of a series looking at how the nomads would punish prisoners. Person they interview doesn't seem entirely sure about the photo's content and apparently believes the description its photographer provided of it is inaccurate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvYpeyGg_j0&t=2215s
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Aesop Poprock posted:I believe the boats, along with stuff like the brazen bull, the blood eagle and the iron maiden are pretty much historically unfounded and probably never happened. There are plenty of equally disgusting ways to die like The Wheel though so it's not like they were unbelievable Interesting, I was thinking "wait, iron maidens must be real, aren't there plenty of them in museums?" but it turns out they were all built in the 1800's after the whole concept was concocted. I was quite disappointed to learn that even the Pear of Anguish has nothing factual to back it up. The Brazen Bull, however, is very real, I've seen it on Wall Street and Trump just finished installing the hatch on the bottom. Your Gay Uncle posted:He just wanted to stay abreast of medical news. Well it's an udderly fascinating subject, I'd be on pins and needles waiting for new info as well
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:If the joke was that the castles are not "great" because they were used to oppress the Welsh/Irish/Scottish, it doesn't really work because they also built their own castles, and most were built by the Normans anyway. If not, feel free to explain. Big British Castles BBC British Broadcasting Corporation it wasn't that good of a joke but you're very dumb also that bit about most being built by the normans is very wrong, and very little that the celts built could ever rival the English fortifications (look at Ed I's Iron Ring), but that's neither here nor there
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chernobyl kinsman posted:Big British Castles haha you are a huge dickhead
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:mongoliangloryhole.jpg I laughed way too hard at this.
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Gatekeeper posted:The Brazen Bull, however, is very real, I've seen it on Wall Street and Trump just finished installing the hatch on the bottom. Bulls don't have udders
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Wasabi the J posted:Bulls don't have udders  
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Wasabi the J posted:Bulls don't have udders Our bulls are going to have the best udders. The best.
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