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MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
Bernie's gay rights support dates back almost to the loving Stonewall era but nope, not woke enough so it doesn't count.

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

MaxxBot posted:

Bernie's gay rights support dates back almost to the loving Stonewall era but nope, not woke enough so it doesn't count.



well see, he didnt bend the knee to mother hillary and accept her into his heart and absolve himself of his privileged.

speaking of sins.

https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/847161275498954752

https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/847162572746838017

https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/847163590830309376

https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/847164475870330880

Dapper_Swindler has issued a correction as of 20:17 on Mar 29, 2017

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

call to action posted:

Agreed that these folks are just as bad as fascists:




Also agreed that the folks above mirror this statement perfectly

Can you clarify your position? I'm interpreting what you're saying to indicate you believe the Panthers taking the capitol building was good for their message and not damaging to the narrative, which is something I disagree with.

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

mysterious frankie posted:

Can you clarify your position? I'm interpreting what you're saying to indicate you believe the Panthers taking the capitol building was good for their message and not damaging to the narrative, which is something I disagree with.

Yes, it was a good thing.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

call to action posted:

Yes, it was a good thing.

k

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Turns out civil progress needs to be backed by the threat of civil disorder, who knew

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
The example you provided was used by opposition media to form the popular idea of the Black Panthers as a terrorist organization. Violence and threats of violence occluded their message and segregated them from the very communities whose rights they wanted to represent.

I mean, be ready to punch a nazi, but leave the guns in the shed.

call to action
Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

mysterious frankie posted:

The example you provided was used by opposition media to form the popular idea of the Black Panthers as a terrorist organization. Violence and threats of violence occluded their message and segregated them from the very communities whose rights they wanted to represent.

I mean, be ready to punch a nazi, but leave the guns in the shed.

Yeah, that was it. It was the one time with the guns! If only they hadn't brought guns to that one protest, racism wouldn't exist.

Nah, I think arming the vulnerable is a good thing. In addition to that, gently caress those who'd disarm them.

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011
The Black Panthers definitely failed because they open carried and not because the FBI murdered their leaders.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

thanks for the continued updates on this one twitter dude

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

mysterious frankie posted:

The example you provided was used by opposition media to form the popular idea of the Black Panthers as a terrorist organization. Violence and threats of violence occluded their message and segregated them from the very communities whose rights they wanted to represent.

I mean, be ready to punch a nazi, but leave the guns in the shed.
i think any successful political action starts with limiting yourself in the hopes that the "opposition media" won't go too hard on you

furthermore,

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Guns own you dullards.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

call to action posted:

Yeah, that was it. It was the one time with the guns! If only they hadn't brought guns to that one protest, racism wouldn't exist.

Nah, I think arming the vulnerable is a good thing. In addition to that, gently caress those who'd disarm them.

Arming the vulnerable against... our highly militarized police force who could basically run them over with tanks if they wanted to? The National Guard? Other "vulnerable" people who are now armed?

Serious questions, have you seen someone get shot? Or been woken up at night by someone firing a weapon, say, in the alley outside your apartment? What is your experience with guns and gunplay occurring the streets of your neighborhood?

Fiction posted:

The Black Panthers definitely failed because they open carried and not because the FBI murdered their leaders.

They failed because they could never gain serious traction with African Americans. The percentage of blacks who responded positively to their movement was always dogshit low because they were playing soldier in a country where people don't want to play soldier; they want to live decent lives and be treated equally.

R. Mute posted:

i think any successful political action starts with limiting yourself in the hopes that the "opposition media" won't go too hard on you

furthermore,

Successful political action starts with understanding what the gently caress you're doing and how to manage the narrative.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
I'm also not using the "what's your gun experience" question as an Ah-ha thing either. I seriously want you to answer so I can get an idea of how much first hand experience you have because if it's none then we really can't keep having this conversation. You're not going to budge me and I'm just going to think you're an rear end in a top hat. At best we just end up making fun of one another. It won't help anyone.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Nonsense posted:

Guns own you dullards.

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/single-post/2017/03/28/PHOENIX-MAGA-MARCH-REPORTBACK

can confirm

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Dapper_Swindler posted:

speaking of sins.

I have no idea what game or reviews he's talking about and without that context he isn't wrong; blatantly homophobic media is a bad thing and fear of its influence on or normalization of peoples' attitudes rather than "offense" is the right reason to be bothered by it?

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

wizard on a water slide posted:

I have no idea what game or reviews he's talking about and without that context he isn't wrong; blatantly homophobic media is a bad thing and fear of its influence on or normalization of peoples' attitudes rather than "offense" is the right reason to be bothered by it?

It's persona 5. You play as a boy and cannot kiss the other boys.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

the baltimore mayor who vetoed the minimum wage increase when she literally campaigned on it is filth
https://youtu.be/7yc6K4GGwL8?t=245

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
I figured it was a Japanese game, it's not really homophobia but gay erasure. Japanese society doesn't hate gays but they often fail to recognize their existence.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Grondoth posted:

It's persona 5. You play as a boy and cannot kiss the other boys.

oh, w/e mock on lol

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

comedyblissoption posted:

the baltimore mayor who vetoed the minimum wage increase when she literally campaigned on it is filth
https://youtu.be/7yc6K4GGwL8?t=245

The true enemy of progress, and the poor is not the conservative. They're the wolf. We all know they're assholes, and we all know what they do. It's easy as hell to stand up against them.

It's the moderate, right wing democrat who shuts stuff like this down. With democrats like this, who even needs republicans?

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

FuzzySkinner posted:

With democrats like this, who even needs republicans?

the democrats

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

wizard on a water slide posted:

lol the dipshit hypocrites probably also wear clothes and cook their food with fire, like capitalists

It's bullshit that this capitalist hell hole forces me to buy clothes

breaklaw
May 12, 2008
The craziest thing is how these people just know that eventually everyone will come over to their side. It's "progress" so kicking and screaming or not, everyone will eventually "grow up" and accept this toxic masculinity nonsense as a truth and value to live by. The backlash is coming and it's going to be a huge loving mess when it does.

The information bubble is the real worst enemy of America in the 21st Century.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

It's bullshit that this capitalist hell hole forces me to buy clothes

clothes are just fire trash

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

MaxxBot posted:

I figured it was a Japanese game, it's not really homophobia but gay erasure. Japanese society doesn't hate gays but they often fail to recognize their existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI9hgp32-f0

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/846636496153063424

like he likes newt and stephen universe. so i guess they are positive. i mean i personally believe in the hegel(i think it was him) that you can take positive stuff from negative things/people/etc. so who knows.
Kinda problematic that he looks up to a genteel white British man who spends all his time stuffing things into neat little boxes and whose final act in the movie is perpetrating the most egregious act of gaslighting the world has ever seen, ostensibly for the no-maj's own good, despite having befriended a no-maj earlier in the film.

Or the main character of a show about women dedicating their entire lives to one boy.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

i'm the literal brown shirts

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

the trump tutelage posted:

Or the main character of a show about women dedicating their entire lives to one boy.

That really is the entire appeal of Steven Universe. It's about a fat boy who lives in a soft pastel world where everyone loves him and three older women dote on him. It's a level of creepy wish fulfillment that makes harem anime look grounded and realistic.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

https://twitter.com/Chemzes/status/847205411723841536


Guy Goodbody posted:

That really is the entire appeal of Steven Universe. It's about a fat boy who lives in a soft pastel world where everyone loves him and three older women dote on him. It's a level of creepy wish fulfillment that makes harem anime look grounded and realistic.

I tried watching it, and yeah.

I did enjoy Regular Show at least.

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
Pence: *Hires Michelle Bachmann*

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

MaxxBot posted:

Pence: *Hires Michelle Bachmann*

I would have though Ann Coulter was more his brand of crazy?

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Guy Goodbody posted:

That really is the entire appeal of Steven Universe. It's about a fat boy who lives in a soft pastel world where everyone loves him and three older women dote on him. It's a level of creepy wish fulfillment that makes harem anime look grounded and realistic.

I don't even like/care about this show and this doesn't make sense

if you're comparing it to a harem anime literally, i.e. "it's about a boy surrounded by women who dote on him and people jerk off to the thought of being the boy", you don't understand that show's audience at all

if you're saying "it's bad because it's some form of wish fulfillment " I have bad news about 90% of entertainment media including pretty much every commercially successful movie

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Byolante posted:

I would have though Ann Coulter was more his brand of crazy?

Naw he's pretty anti-gay marriage.

It's really surreal because I saw his career play out in Indiana, and I really thought his political career was finished. In March of 2015? I was there and I can recall newspaper editiorials on the front page of the Indianapolis Star calling his rear end out. The president of
Hulman Co./Indianapolis Motor Speedway dressed him down in office about it, and you had rural hoosiers calling into radio shows talking about how dumb the "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM" bill was.

Last year? I saw billboards and planes flying over the "500" saying "PENCE MUST GO!". He hitched his wagon to Ted Cruz and I was convinced his career was dead after that. Then Trump picked him as his VP, and again, looked like his career was dead.

Now? He's a heartbeat away from the President. He also kicked Tim Kaine's rear end in the debate, and as someone who's pro-choice? That pains me to say. But that's how AWFUL Tim Kaine was.

Also funny note...You know that guy who's occupying the White House right now? He was supposed to be the Pace Car driver for the Indianapolis 500 a few years back

http://www.indystar.com/story/life/2016/05/23/time-donald-trump-nearly-drove-indy-500-pace-car/84223242/

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

wizard on a water slide posted:

I don't even like/care about this show and this doesn't make sense

if you're comparing it to a harem anime literally, i.e. "it's about a boy surrounded by women who dote on him and people jerk off to the thought of being the boy", you don't understand that show's audience at all

if you're saying "it's bad because it's some form of wish fulfillment " I have bad news about 90% of entertainment media including pretty much every commercially successful movie

I don't mean the actual literal children who watch the show. I'm talking about the adult men who like it. They're all sexually stunted manchildren.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Guy Goodbody posted:

That really is the entire appeal of Steven Universe. It's about a fat boy who lives in a soft pastel world where everyone loves him and three older women dote on him. It's a level of creepy wish fulfillment that makes harem anime look grounded and realistic.

I have tried watching it, and i have never understood it. my best friend likes it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z5ICVEIRIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvj9ebIePIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMB1gVOZHA

from watching his videos. he basicaly likes it because he has postive emotions and is sensitive, like a normal person and doesnt just bury them or act like an action hero, he bitched alot about geralt from whitcher never showing emotion and poo poo like that.


the trump tutelage posted:

Kinda problematic that he looks up to a genteel white British man who spends all his time stuffing things into neat little boxes and whose final act in the movie is perpetrating the most egregious act of gaslighting the world has ever seen, ostensibly for the no-maj's own good, despite having befriended a no-maj earlier in the film.

Or the main character of a show about women dedicating their entire lives to one boy.

yeah, i saw the movie with my gf. he just came off as an autistic animal lover who kept endangered animals in a portable zoo. then fucks over his new friend and the movie kinda half asstly says everything will be ok at the end. honestly the movie was meh, the only part i found amusing was how fast the american wizard cops lit the autistic penguin dude up, just like real life.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

MaxxBot posted:

I figured it was a Japanese game, it's not really homophobia but gay erasure. Japanese society doesn't hate gays but they often fail to recognize their existence.

The problem was also that there are gay character, but they're stereotypes. So its kinda homophobic yeah.

call to action posted:

Agreed that these folks are just as bad as fascists:




Also agreed that the folks above mirror this statement perfectly

Yeah? Protests with guns have this thinly veiled threat of violence in my eyes, no matter what that group represents. And thats what i think fascism represents. Using fear and (a show of) force to try to control people.

Then again I'm from the Netherlands where guns for civilians are illegal so my ideas about such things may be strange to Americans.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Archer666 posted:

Yeah? Protests with guns have this thinly veiled threat of violence in my eyes, no matter what that group represents. And thats what i think fascism represents. Using fear and (a show of) force to try to control people.

But fascism isn't a tactic, it's an ideology which lends itself to that tactic. You can literally Google the word "fascism", and a whole bunch of dictionaries and encyclopedias will provide you with a working definition, all of which include nationalism and almost all of which have right-wing politics in common. People can hem and haw all day about how people overuse the word fascism, or how it's been rendered meaningless, etc but at the end of the day "right-wing nationalist authoritarianism" is the useful and most common definition.

Violent anarchists (socialist or libertarian), for example, aren't fascists. A given group may or may not be all sorts of other things that aren't good - murderers, thugs, lunatics, terrorists - but they aren't fascists.

If the coercive implicit or explicit use of force were all it took to make something fascist, you could accurately describe every single government and legal code on Earth as fascist. What would be the point?

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

Dapper_Swindler posted:

he bitched alot about geralt from whitcher never showing emotion and poo poo like that.


but geralt to my knowledge shows plenty of emotion :confused:

he just doesn't constantly state how he feels.

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Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

wizard on a water slide posted:

But fascism isn't a tactic, it's an ideology which lends itself to that tactic. You can literally Google the word "fascism", and a whole bunch of dictionaries and encyclopedias will provide you with a working definition, all of which include nationalism and almost all of which have right-wing politics in common. People can hem and haw all day about how people overuse the word fascism, or how it's been rendered meaningless, etc but at the end of the day "right-wing nationalist authoritarianism" is the useful and most common definition.

Violent anarchists (socialist or libertarian), for example, aren't fascists. A given group may or may not be all sorts of other things that aren't good - murderers, thugs, lunatics, terrorists - but they aren't fascists.

If the coercive implicit or explicit use of force were all it took to make something fascist, you could accurately describe every single government and legal code on Earth as fascist. What would be the point?

So basically I painted everyone who uses a tactic that fascists use as fascists themselves? Am I getting this right?

Oh Snapple! posted:

but geralt to my knowledge shows plenty of emotion :confused:

he just doesn't constantly state how he feels.

Maccie just enjoys being a contrarian jackass.

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