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Would it actually be illegal to fake the tracker? It's not official company accounting records or anything, I don't think it would be any more illegal than faking a hit counter on your website.
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TrustmeImLegit posted:15k is the largest lump sum they can conceivably (the completionist) add to the tracker without getting backers suspicious. I quite literally work every single day with people who do this exact sort of thing. They move money around between companies, have companies under one umbrella pay each other for "consultations" and poo poo I could go on about for hours. One guy calls it "creative accounting." Basically it's one thing for a citizen to say a company is "faking" something. But when that poo poo starts getting investigated, the first thing slimy lawyers do is hold up every part of the investigation until the word "fake" can be defined in relation to the case. "Were digital goods ordered?" - Yes "Were the goods delivered to the purchasing account?" - Yes "So what's the problem again?" - Well they paid themselves - they bought their own goods. "Yes, but since the cash and the goods were both the company's property, it was well within their rights to track it as a purchase if they chose." - Yes but they're showing that transaction in the funding tracker so that people will think the company is healthier than it is "Yes, but your accusation was that the tracker was "fake", and I think we see here that it is anything but fake, I move to dismiss" etc. etc. This poo poo happens all day every day.
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Exinos posted:Stop spreading FUD! Thanks to Croberts and the magic of fidelity mining will be as exciting the 8 millionth time you do it as it was the first time! You clearly don't watch every episode of AtV. They are going to start by making mining boring as gently caress (like ED, right?). Then over a period of years, "layer in the fidelity". By 2030 that poo poo will be dope. Mining all day every day. Mining so good you'll wanna SLAP YA MOMMA!
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TrustmeImLegit posted:It would be insanely illegal to outright fake this. I don't see how it could be in any way illegal, there's no investment involved, also the change in the TOS shows a clear intention to never show anyone the books. When I say faked they could be showing anything on that graph, I've never seen what it represents exactly defined by CIG. Some idiot who used to work in a school said it didn't show subscriptions but he might have been wrong, no idea.
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Mar 30, 2017 14:45
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If bought a bunch of poo poo from myself and told investors that was profit the SEC would be very eager to go over this with me. They use it in advertising (X funds raised!). If its an outright fabrication its false advertisement. I know they can fudge it to make it okay that's why I specified completely made up.
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Mar 30, 2017 14:53
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Ghostlight posted:Here is everything you need to get up to speed with W40k: You forgot the part where they fight anime made manifest.
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TrustmeImLegit posted:If bought a bunch of poo poo from myself and told investors that was profit the SEC would be very eager to go over this with me. Yeah you could argue false advertising and then they'll give you your money back, however until somebody gets to look at the books you don't know for sure what the tracker represents. It's like them talking about 1.7 million using the words Citizens/Backers/Players interchangeably, when Turbulent revealed in an interview the actual number of humans involved in all that is about 500k. Once people figure all this out there'll be no money left anyway.
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Mar 30, 2017 15:11
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Hopper posted:Yeah that's the gist of it and it sounds like 40k is horribly monotonous and exaggerated and bad. Hence why I would like to read something that kinda gives me an overview so I can judge whether it really is that bad or whether there is actually some sense behind what looks to be a violence-fanatic's wet dream... https://www.amazon.com/Let-Galaxy-Burn-Warhammer-Novels/dp/1844163423/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490883136&sr=8-1&keywords=let+the+galaxy+burn This is a pretty good collection of short stories. There's one in there from the perspective of some random imperial guardsman of a tyranid invasion that's very good.
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Daztek posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/62e2zq/is_subsumption_in_essence_an_artificial_god/ Holy poo poo lmao. I hope someone at CIG is watching reddit and sounding the alarm. They need to release something quick before the psychosis over there gets stronger.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:04
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Beet Wagon posted:Holy poo poo lmao. I hope someone at CIG is watching reddit and sounding the alarm. They need to release something quick before the psychosis over there gets stronger. Nah, it makes perfect sense. No human being can possibly finish Star Citizen with all the promised features, but what about a perfect immortal machine? Full AI control of the pipelines is clearly the way forward.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:09
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Mar 30, 2017 16:13
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Honestly, I bet I could write an AI that makes better decisions than Chris Roberts. Allow it to reply to written questions that need a yes or a no, analyze the requests for certain keywords and similarity to past requests and generate a weighted random chance to say yes or no (anything with the word 'fidelity' in it gets an automatic no). Should result in a half-decent spread of good to bad decisions. I'm not saying that would be a good way to make decisions, mind you, but I figure it'd still be a step up.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:20
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TrustmeImLegit posted:If bought a bunch of poo poo from myself and told investors that was profit the SEC would be very eager to go over this with me. It's not publicly traded, so SEC rules don't apply. There are no "investors" in the sense of stakeholders. UK GAAP applies in some areas for some of the subs, but CIG is not purchasing from themselves and claiming false profit. Plus, that tracker is not accurate.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:22
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Wiz posted:Nah, it makes perfect sense. No human being can possibly finish Star Citizen with all the promised features, but what about a perfect immortal machine? Full AI control of the pipelines is clearly the way forward. They replaced all the coder's with AI. It all makes sense now  Think about obsidians Radiant AI, that is in charge of coding
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Wiz posted:Honestly, I bet I could write an AI that makes better decisions than Chris Roberts. Allow it to reply to written questions that need a yes or a no, analyze the requests for certain keywords and similarity to past requests and generate a weighted random chance to say yes or no (anything with the word 'fidelity' in it gets an automatic no). Should result in a half-decent spread of good to bad decisions. If it just said No to 1 out of every 5 suggestions it would already be better at producing a game than chris.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:25
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ManofManyAliases posted:It's not publicly traded, so SEC rules don't apply. There are no "investors" in the sense of stakeholders. UK GAAP applies in some areas for some of the subs, but CIG is not purchasing from themselves and claiming false profit. Plus, that tracker is not accurate. I know, was just using an example. Tell us about the tracker.
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TrustmeImLegit posted:I know, was just using an example. I know what you know.
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I have several degrees and knowledge of many esoteric subjects. Statistically, I'm almost always the smartest guy in the room. These are tall shoes to fill.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:31
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Like did you know only 74% of males in asia can actually achieve vaginal penetration?
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Mar 30, 2017 16:33
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Wiz posted:Honestly, I bet I could write an AI that makes better decisions than Chris Roberts. Allow it to reply to written questions that need a yes or a no, analyze the requests for certain keywords and similarity to past requests and generate a weighted random chance to say yes or no (anything with the word 'fidelity' in it gets an automatic no). Should result in a half-decent spread of good to bad decisions. big nipples big life posted:If it just said No to 1 out of every 5 suggestions it would already be better at producing a game than chris. I think just being able to say "No" at all is a huge step up, regardless of how it determines when to do it.
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ManofManyAliases posted:It's not publicly traded, so SEC rules don't apply. There are no "investors" in the sense of stakeholders. UK GAAP applies in some areas for some of the subs, but CIG is not purchasing from themselves and claiming false profit. Plus, that tracker is not accurate. While SEC rules do not apply, a number of various state and Federal agencies can go after businesses for deceptive trade practices. If Croberts is juicing the numbers with the intent to calm backers and reel in more whales, then I could see some consumer protection agency going after them. Case in point: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2017/02/01/dronemaker-lily-robotics.html
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TrustmeImLegit posted:Like did you know only 74% of males in asia can actually achieve vaginal penetration? Much like shitizens. If the proportions were reversed.
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Dark Off posted:They replaced all the coder's with AI. To be fair even Radiant AI would struggle with constant chris refactoring. Just think about a Ai coding subsumption when it suddenly gets order to code in trading support to said subsumption. So end result will be tradesimption.
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Beet Wagon posted:I think just being able to say "No" at all is a huge step up, regardless of how it determines when to do it. Nah, I bet Roberts says 'no' all the time, it's just when the question is something along the lines of 'Could we maybe downscope a feature (any feature) to meet our insanely optimistic deadlines?' (The AI would also be programmed to almost always say yes to downscoping... anything, really.)
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Dark Off posted:To be fair even Radiant AI would struggle with constant chris refactoring. The AI rebellion starts with one too many changes to the sleeve design of space hoodie #12.
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WebDog posted:Wasn't the theory floated that they're just pushing their own money into the meter? Yes, I came up with that theory months back when everyone assumed I was just off my meds again. 
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Patch notes for 2.6.2d: Star Systems: Port Olisar, Crusader
Game Systems: Star Marine
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ManofManyAliases posted:It's not publicly traded, so SEC rules don't apply. There are no "investors" in the sense of stakeholders. UK GAAP applies in some areas for some of the subs, but CIG is not purchasing from themselves and claiming false profit. Plus, that tracker is not accurate. BOOKMARKED!!
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Better release this baby by tomorrow...or TheAgent will be right.
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CONTROVERSIAL STAR CITIZEN ARTICLES REMOVED FROM THE ESCAPIST This made me holler with laughter. quote:One of the backers who notified One Angry Gamer about the removal of the pieces explained that they were informed by CIG/RSI staff that the crowd-funds that were gathered for the game would not be used in any legal battles, either to protect the brand integrity of Star Citizen or to limit damaging material aimed at the project. They have NO financial accountability for HOW the money is spent. no worries though, it's not spent on legal bills. CIG said so. This is why they are getting fleeced. CIG has $0 income outside of Star Citizen. Even Ortwin gets PAID for his time. sheesh
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MinorInconvenience posted:While SEC rules do not apply, a number of various state and Federal agencies can go after businesses for deceptive trade practices. If Croberts is juicing the numbers with the intent to calm backers and reel in more whales, then I could see some consumer protection agency going after them. Case in point: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2017/02/01/dronemaker-lily-robotics.html I don't disagree that there are agencies that could go after CIG. But why haven't they?
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Mangoose posted:Much like shitizens. If the proportions were reversed. Oh, they are being screwed alright.
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D_Smart posted:BOOKMARKED!! ZOMG NO!!!!
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Is there any actual proof that there was any legal action involved in the articles and  THE being taken down? Like lawsuit filings or anything or is it just being assumed?
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Iceclaw posted:Oh, they are being screwed alright. But it's not vaginal... 
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boviscopophobic posted:Game Systems: Huh. It seems players were the ship even in the game mode that doesn't allow ships. God these patch notes are pathetic. I can't believe dripping poo poo like this makes people think that progress is being made. Drunk Theory fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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big nipples big life posted:Is there any actual proof that there was any legal action involved in the articles and Lol, did you really ask that?
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