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M'om sent an email about the Omaha mayoral race today. Anybody have any context here?
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Mar 30, 2017 16:43
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I'm against purging generally actually You're also against winning generally
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Mar 30, 2017 16:43
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:You're also against winning generally Wait, I thought the whole point of purging was to still lose just as hard but with dignity?
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Mar 30, 2017 16:46
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GalacticAcid posted:M'om sent an email about the Omaha mayoral race today. there's a 3rd guy in the race, a hardcore TRUMPer, who is probably gonna gently caress over the republican. he's from an incredibly rich family and he's self-funding tv ads. his entire economic strategy is (i kid you not) "we should get a nfl team."
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Mar 30, 2017 16:46
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Las Vegas got the team, there will be no new expansions. Iowans are dumb as poo poo
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Mar 30, 2017 16:47
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Bip Roberts posted:Wait, I thought the whole point of purging was to still lose just as hard but with dignity? That's the worst case scenario; best case we see success actually standing for something, worst case we're in the same situation but now we aren't eating poo poo sandwiches.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:49
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Condiv posted:so what are you actually complaining about. do you want the bad anti-abortion dems we have to stay but no more anti-abortion dems? IMO reproductive health falls under the umbrella of quality healthcare. I can see why people are complaining though: Whether or not he really was, a lot of Bernie's supporters portrayed him as someone who would fight for what's good and right and never compromise, and now he's like "we may have to compromise on reproductive rights," which also feeds into the Abuela/Abuela-supporter narrative that he'd throw social issues under the bus in pursuit of economic issues.
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Mar 30, 2017 16:55
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Neurolimal posted:That's the worst case scenario; best case we see success actually standing for something, worst case we're in the same situation but now we aren't eating poo poo sandwiches. Take that poors!
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Mar 30, 2017 16:59
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Nonsense posted:Las Vegas got the team, there will be no new expansions. Iowans are dumb as poo poo Well you can always cross your fingers for the Browns to gently caress over Cleveland again
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Mar 30, 2017 16:59
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UV_Catastrophe posted:posting discretion is advised It is? gently caress.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:02
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Nonsense posted:Las Vegas got the team, there will be no new expansions. Iowans are dumb as poo poo 
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Mar 30, 2017 17:04
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Nonsense posted:Las Vegas got the team, there will be no new expansions. Iowans are dumb as poo poo
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Mar 30, 2017 17:04
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i was gonna thinkingface that but i was convinced that i must be misreading what they meant
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Mar 30, 2017 17:07
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it's a reference to this you goofs. last graf http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/...e0149e7d18.html
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Mar 30, 2017 17:07
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SirPhoebos posted:Well you can always cross your fingers for the Browns to gently caress over Cleveland again I'm p sure the Browns do the most loving over of Cleveland while being in Cleveland
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Mar 30, 2017 17:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I'm p sure the Browns do the most loving over of Cleveland while being in Cleveland I was gonna say the steel mills do the most loving but they're gone lol
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Mar 30, 2017 17:09
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TurnipFritter posted:IMO reproductive health falls under the umbrella of quality healthcare. I can see why people are complaining though: Whether or not he really was, a lot of Bernie's supporters portrayed him as someone who would fight for what's good and right and never compromise, and now he's like "we may have to compromise on reproductive rights," which also feeds into the Abuela/Abuela-supporter narrative that he'd throw social issues under the bus in pursuit of economic issues. Abortion isn't only healthcare: it's also economics. Kids are a major expense, and forcing someone to take that on has just as much of an effect as poo poo like what the minimum wage is. I mean really. $7.25/hr. to $15/hr. is like a pre-tax difference of like $16,120 a year. Meanwhile, living wage calculators show kids costing like $16k for two working parents and $24k for a single parent
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Mar 30, 2017 17:10
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Business Gorillas posted:I was gonna say the steel mills do the most loving but they're gone lol the factory of sadness is always adding more shifts
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Mar 30, 2017 17:10
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Concerned Citizen posted:there's a 3rd guy in the race, a hardcore TRUMPer, who is probably gonna gently caress over the republican. he's from an incredibly rich family and he's self-funding tv ads. his entire economic strategy is (i kid you not) "we should get a nfl team." lmao that owns
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Mar 30, 2017 17:14
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Tim Kaine's son is 100 times cooler than him and has probably done more to advance democratic causes then him.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:15
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fat bossy gerbil posted:Omaha is in Nebraska. Sorry I gave as much of a gently caress about either state as Hillary did 
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Mar 30, 2017 17:17
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Abortion isn't only healthcare: it's also economics. Kids are a major expense, and forcing someone to take that on has just as much of an effect as poo poo like what the minimum wage is. not only can you punish people for having sex you can also extract more wealth from them! who knew??
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Mar 30, 2017 17:17
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Iowa's abortion bill on the mind.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:18
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Nonsense posted:Sorry I gave as much of a gently caress about either state as Hillary did
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Mar 30, 2017 17:28
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TurnipFritter posted:IMO reproductive health falls under the umbrella of quality healthcare. I can see why people are complaining though: Whether or not he really was, a lot of Bernie's supporters portrayed him as someone who would fight for what's good and right and never compromise, and now he's like "we may have to compromise on reproductive rights," which also feeds into the Abuela/Abuela-supporter narrative that he'd throw social issues under the bus in pursuit of economic issues. no he didn't say anything about compromising on reproductive rights. lets look at the tweet that started this fuss:  can dems be open to candidates that aren't rigidly pro-choice yes that's a commitment to the dem status quo on reproductive rights, same as hillary. what's the problem here? do you think he should be saying the party should be closed to anyone who's not rigidly pro-choice? cause then you've locked politicos like tim kaine out like i said, i'm fine with that route, but bernie's been treating centrists with kid gloves and not trying to change the rules of who is welcome in the party, and it's p silly that you're now angry at him for it.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:30
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Condiv posted:
I agree that Bernie's been pragmatic (although I still don't get why the gently caress he left the Democratic party after losing the primary!) about centrists in the party; I don't know why his supporters aren't following his lead on this.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:43
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I mean, to be clear, my position on this is that there should be pretty much the same level and volume of outrage over what Edwards is doing in Louisiana as poo poo like Wasserman-Schultz's bullshit with predatory payday loan companies. And I even largely agree with Sanders' point that the Democrats should be as big a tent with respect to abortion as they are with corporate Dems: we need, for example, as many votes for Speaker as we can get, while still exerting leftward pressure on electeds and hopefuls primary the gently caress outta them. if they win, support them in the general, and constantly send them reminders that they'll keep facing primaries until they get their heads out of their asses or until they get out of politics. that's pressure enough for me. got any sevens posted:Slight but important difference: Bernie should be about the 'center' of the party, and neolibs should be the rightmost we reach. They should have as much (or little) say as totally-leftist communists. honestly, being that neo-libs are libertarians who are really, really at lying to themselves, the only thing they should be allowed to say in the party is "we're leaving." Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 17:47 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 17:44
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I agree that Bernie's been pragmatic (although I still don't get why the gently caress he left the Democratic party after losing the primary!) about centrists in the party; I don't know why his supporters aren't following his lead on this. I don't understand how this viewpoint leads you to make the argument you have but ok whatever
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Mar 30, 2017 17:46
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:primary the gently caress outta them. if they win, support them in the general, and constantly send them reminders that they'll keep facing primaries until they get their heads out of their asses or until they get out of politics. that's pressure enough for me. 
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Mar 30, 2017 17:48
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that's strange, because you've made excuse after excuse for bad dems. are you trying to play both sides of the isle or are you considering the concept of bad dems to be wholly hypothetical?
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Mar 30, 2017 17:50
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:that's strange, because you've made excuse after excuse for bad dems. I've been arguing for the "support them in the general" which the "gently caress the dems i'm out" contingent has been abandoning
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Mar 30, 2017 17:52
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Mar 30, 2017 18:00
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got any sevens posted:Slight but important difference: Bernie should be about the 'center' of the party, and neolibs should be the rightmost we reach. They should have as much (or little) say as totally-leftist communists. Quoting for emphasis. WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I agree that Bernie's been pragmatic (although I still don't get why the gently caress he left the Democratic party after losing the primary!) about centrists in the party; I don't know why his supporters aren't following his lead on this. He said it's because he was elected as an independent so he might become a Dem again after this term is over.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:04
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Quoting for emphasis. same, and it was a complaint I had during the primaries, where Bernie sure seemed to be held up as this paragon of leftism quote:He said it's because he was elected as an independent so he might become a Dem again after this term is over. I mean I don't think his constituents gave a poo poo about him running as a Democrat in the primary and I don't think they'd give a poo poo if he called himself a Democrat - they're not angry with him caucusing with the Democrats (which, frankly, is functionally the same thing as actually being a Democrat for a legislator)
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Mar 30, 2017 18:14
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:they're not angry with him caucusing with the Democrats (which, frankly, is functionally the same thing as actually being a Democrat for a legislator) someone pls tell the hillbots this, tia
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Mar 30, 2017 18:17
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:same, and it was a complaint I had during the primaries, where Bernie sure seemed to be held up as this paragon of leftism You might be surprised. Bernie made his bones back home in VT as an independent and has run as one ever since he got elected Mayor of Burlington back in '81. It's sort of his thing, another aspect of how he cares more about policies and principle than party, and most of us love him for it.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:20
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There's a big difference between someone who has some bad views on abortion because of their personal beliefs or because they're in a red state and someone who has bad views on an issue because they're basically acting as a pass-through for their corporate donors. The former is bad but doesn't necessarily bring their credibility on other issues into question, whereas the latter case IMO compromises their entire record because any of their positions could be swayed in response to corporate lobbying. In the case of DWS you can point to corporate influence on a number of past votes and actions, not just the payday loan stuff. Also, red state Dems who have moderate views on abortion and guns aren't something that should be eliminated from the party IMO because they have an actual voter base of people in those states. Corporate hack Dems do not have a natural constituency, if they were replaced entirely by non-corporate hack Dems there's no bloc of voters out there who would be disappointed other than the corporations themselves. Purging all corporate Dems immediately would be a bad idea but we can and should work towards reducing and eventually eliminating Dems who will act as shameless shills for their donors to the degree that people like DWS do.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:20
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I mean I don't think his constituents gave a poo poo about him running as a Democrat in the primary and I don't think they'd give a poo poo if he called himself a Democrat - they're not angry with him caucusing with the Democrats (which, frankly, is functionally the same thing as actually being a Democrat for a legislator) he's committed to being what he promised to the people who voted for him, to the best of his ability. that means that if he was elected as an independent, he feels compelled to finish as an independent. it lets his constituents know that he's still loyal to them, first and foremost. Condiv has issued a correction as of 18:26 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 18:20
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MaxxBot posted:There's a big difference between someone who has some bad views on abortion because of their personal beliefs or because they're in a red state and someone who has bad views on an issue because they're basically acting as a pass-through for their corporate donors. The former is bad but doesn't necessarily bring their credibility on other issues into question, whereas the latter case IMO compromises their entire record because any of their positions could be swayed in response to corporate lobbying. In the case of DWS you can point to corporate influence on a number of past votes and actions, not just the payday loan stuff. why would purging corporate dems with progressive, or even non-corporate centrists be a bad thing? it's not like there would be a vacuum of experienced dems to caucus and whip the newbies. pragmatic incrementalism is how a lot of bad dems manage to stay bad without the fear of the primary god being beaten into them. [see: booker, cory; see also: "a black muslim can't be dnc chair"] Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 18:51 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 18:46
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:same, and it was a complaint I had during the primaries, where Bernie sure seemed to be held up as this paragon of leftism I think that's mostly because our discourse in the US is so right-wing that even a moderate social democrat like Bernie is called "far-left" without an ounce of irony, but it could also be that he erroneously called himself a socialist.
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