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Drake_263
Mar 31, 2010

Your Loyal Vizier posted:

Edit: why do we call them forum dads? This feels unfair to dads everywhere.

Because the quintessential Elite grognard is one who played the original Elite back in -84 when the original game was a thing, and is now desperately trying to relive those years of childhood nostalgia while trying to decide if his kids really need to have juice over his need for new Coriolis-shaped masturbation bucket.

Personally, I prefer eighty-führer.

Bear in mind these are the same people who loudly complained and bitched when Frontier implemented the route finder for your navcomp back in the beta. Let that sink in - this is the same kind of a person who thinks basic functionality will somehow ruin the game, since it wasn't present in a game created over thirty years ago.

I'm pretty sure most of these kneejerk complaints against actual multiplayer functionality are based on most of these people suspecting that the game, in fact, is more fun when you play with someone else and if they can't have fun, nobody else can.

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Sard
May 11, 2012

Certified Poster of Culture.
Still assuming that you need roughly 1500 missions to go from rank 0 to rank 14, just think: All you have to do is complete five missions (of some unknown sufficient value) a day, every day, and if you started on January 1st you'd have your new Cutter or Corvette by the end of October! Then you can start working to unlock the other ship and you'll have access to all four of the current top-tier ships, instead of just two, after over a year and a half of playing the game every single day!

Sard fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 30, 2017

Chrysophylax
Dec 28, 2006
._.
No you see this game has a ten year plan so the progression is meant to last ten years*

*An actual often repeated argument

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


I bought this game yesterday to play spaceships in my Rift headset. Did I make a bad decision? Last few pages suggest very much yes I did.

Morter
Jul 1, 2006

:ninja:
Gift for the grind, criminal mind shifty

Swift with the 9 through a 59FIFTY

Enos Cabell posted:

I bought this game yesterday to play spaceships in my Rift headset. Did I make a bad decision? Last few pages suggest very much yes I did.

The game has many things you can enjoy about it. The tragedy is that the developers and the lovely playerbase want to put an end to it.

So have fun while you can, is all I'm saying. :v:

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

Enos Cabell posted:

I bought this game yesterday to play spaceships in my Rift headset. Did I make a bad decision? Last few pages suggest very much yes I did.

No it is a good game in many ways. People just like to bitch. If it is not one thing they find something else to bitch about. The game is better then ever, and really you don't need to rush to larger ships, it just a few in this thread that are obsessed with income, nvm the fact more money does not really change the base experience of the game.

And it is amazing using the Rift.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Morter posted:

The game has many things you can enjoy about it. The tragedy is that the developers and the lovely playerbase want to put an end to it.

So have fun while you can, is all I'm saying. :v:

I will attempt this feat.

Is the OP fairly up to date on what I should do as a new player?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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My only real criticism of the game so far is that I wish that each system looked more distinct. At least change up the skybox every now and then, where are the awesome nebulas and planet varieties?

For all of it's colossal glaring flaws No Man's Sky actually has this game beat in the "interesting things to look at" dimension

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

Fojar38 posted:

My only real criticism of the game so far is that I wish that each system looked more distinct. At least change up the skybox every now and then, where are the awesome nebulas and planet varieties?

For all of it's colossal glaring flaws No Man's Sky actually has this game beat in the "interesting things to look at" dimension

They are not there because you could not see them in real life. You want a more distinct look, well go travel. Different parts of the game have very different skybox, but it is dependent on actual location of nebulas. Not sure what you mean by planet varieties, there are a lot of them already.

Chrysophylax
Dec 28, 2006
._.

Enos Cabell posted:

I will attempt this feat.

Is the OP fairly up to date on what I should do as a new player?

The general tips are okay, things didn't change that much.

If you want to talk to actual humans while you play, check out our PGS thread which has a link to our discord.

Joining is easy and we're a chill bunch who mostly just wants members to have fun. We have an entire group of people dedicated to Q&A too.

I'm not holding knowledge ransom tho so if you wanna know something ask and we'll do our best to answer.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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1500 posted:

They are not there because you could not see them in real life. You want a more distinct look, well go travel. Different parts of the game have very different skybox, but it is dependent on actual location of nebulas. Not sure what you mean by planet varieties, there are a lot of them already.

What are some good sightseeing locations?

Chrysophylax
Dec 28, 2006
._.

Fojar38 posted:

What are some good sightseeing locations?

Assuming you don't need a specific passenger mission to go there, T Tauri and the Spirograph Nebula are pretty neat planetary nebulas with great views near the bubble (sub 1000ly roundtrip iirc).

1500
Nov 3, 2015

Give me all your crackers

Fojar38 posted:

What are some good sightseeing locations?
Nebula locations
https://elitepve.com/viewtopic.php?t=2207



some images.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/359320/discussions/0/357284767253798266/

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥
Goddammit Frontier why can't you just let players have fun in the game.

Boogalo
Jul 8, 2012

Meep Meep




We still have quite a lot of fun in spite of the game. :getin:

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal
Some of us even have fun because of the game, which is good and well designed

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





As a newbie, the foundation is there but it could really use some work. Flying around doing stuff looks and feels awesome. Everything else is unnecessarily awkward. Why isn't there a tutorial or walkthrough that pops up the first time you try to do a specific thing? On top of that, some systems seem needlessly complex and you would have no idea how they work unless you asked someone or looked up a tutorial on YouTube.

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters
There is a big leap in cost around asps to fer de lances, and FDLs and up don't really allow you to make enough money to fully justify their cost, especially given how much they cost to buy back if you explode. But that mid game is pretty awesome!

Unsinkabear
Jun 8, 2013

Ensign, raise the beariscope.





Sard posted:

...Then you can start working to unlock the other ship and you'll have access to all four of the current top-tier ships, ...

Out of curiosity, what are you including as the fourth?

Enos Cabell posted:

I bought this game yesterday to play spaceships in my Rift headset. Did I make a bad decision? Last few pages suggest very much yes I did.

The game is far from flawless; the complaints are legitimate, and anyone suggesting otherwise is being reductive for the sake of a needlessly black or white view... that said, it's my main game atm, beating out Overwatch about a dozen other single and multiplayer titles on my SSD. It is definitely Good And Fun™, and arguably the best way to utilize your Rift right now. You chose wisely. :thumbsup:

Get in discord so I can howl at you about how much I hate myself and this madman's trail of tears exploration journey that I am STILL ON :smithicide:

Clarity edit: (a lot of good info gets thrown around in there too, it's not just me shrieking about my bad decisions)

Unsinkabear fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Mar 30, 2017

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



Your Loyal Vizier posted:

Out of curiosity, what are you including as the fourth?

Corvette, Cutter, Anaconda, Sidewinder

Sard
May 11, 2012

Certified Poster of Culture.

Your Loyal Vizier posted:

Out of curiosity, what are you including as the fourth?

The Beluga, since it can do something the Anaconda can't and also looks amazing, fight me concept art nerds
I'm going to probably replace my Asp Explorer with an Orca after 2.3 hits, I wish I could get similar results out of the Beluga. :sigh:

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Definitely get on Discord. The Diamond Frogs dudes in the frog-support-group are saints for putting up with my newbie questions over the past week. I'd have quit / blown my brains out if not for them.

legooolas
Jul 30, 2004
Is an Anaconda covered in (engineered efficient) beam turrets going to work at all or will it burst into flames and make the weapon cap drain in no time?
Or is it a suitable comedy build (pink lasers required, obvs) for some PvE action in CZs/RESes?

coupedeville
Jan 1, 2012

MY ANACONDA DOM'T WANT NONE UNLESS U GOT CUM SON!

Sard posted:

The Beluga, since it can do something the Anaconda can't and also looks amazing, fight me concept art nerds
I'm going to probably replace my Asp Explorer with an Orca after 2.3 hits, I wish I could get similar results out of the Beluga. :sigh:

when the new update comes out pls post your orca build - I heard about the hull reduction in the beta and the crazy jump ranges that will be possible and I am very interested in what you discover :)

an explorer spaceyacht sounds like something that I would like to blow all my spacebuxx on I too like the looks of the orca/beluga :hfive:

Boogalo
Jul 8, 2012

Meep Meep




legooolas posted:

Is an Anaconda covered in (engineered efficient) beam turrets going to work at all or will it burst into flames and make the weapon cap drain in no time?
Or is it a suitable comedy build (pink lasers required, obvs) for some PvE action in CZs/RESes?

I've been building exactly this with all efficient beam turrets and it is hilarious.

Huge is a fixed healbeam
Bottom large is a Gimbaled beam.
Bottom smalls beam turret
Top larges beam turrets
Front mediums pulse turrets with scramble spectrum.

Really no heat or cap problems and i'm only efficient 4.

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life
Good to see Frontier is still doubling down on spending time and energy making the game grindy instead of implementing the rest of the game.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Jesus Christ, :frontear: this is so dumb.

First, combat rank is zero indication of skill it's a time sink, nothing more.

Second, people who want to power level ARE STILL GOING TO POWERLEVEL. The credit "exploits" that exist for months on end let you go from zero to billions in the span of a few days of grinding. You can currently (in the beta) wing up with someone in a god tier ship in your freewinder, tag the things they're about to explode and get 100% of the bounty. There is no risk in this and it frankly is not even that engaging.

Third, multicrew doesn't confer federation or imperial rank so the "best" ships are still locked behind an asinine grind.

Fourth, the mentality of "earning" the right to sit in an Anaconda is insane and cuts to what is toxic about this game's community. Someone else getting a big expensive ship doesn't diminish your enjoyment of the game in the slightest. There is no economy to tank, your interactions with other players are largely voluntary. Who the h*ck cares if someone who has "only" played 100 hours has an Anaconda? Seriously aside from some puffed up sense of entitlement, how does this diminish your game experience? Furthermore, having enough credits to do what you want really is where the game gets good. Have a large fund? Great, maybe you feel more comfortable engaging in PvP or playing in open because getting ganked by another player won't wipe you out financially.

Fifth, this is another decision in a long series of decisions where Frontier caves to a small but vocal minority of players -- "forum dads" as they are commonly called around here. I frankly cannot recommend this game to new players as long as Frontier continues to make the newbie experience a horrific slog to appease some entitled nerd.

Because this needs to be reposted :laffo:

Unsinkabear
Jun 8, 2013

Ensign, raise the beariscope.





Sard posted:

I'm going to probably replace my Asp Explorer with an Orca after 2.3 hits

Wow. I mocked up a new DBE to give myself some context, and I could only get it to 57ly (with a cut fuel tank). 45 is drat nice for a luxury starboat

Trustworthy
Dec 28, 2004

with catte-like thread
upon our prey we steal
Taking a break from my white knightrolling to say that I just got done refitting two of my ships , and I'm super excited about how they turned out.

I do a lot of mining, because it's a fun, chill thing to do while listening to podcasts and watching YouTube. I have a heavily armed and armored Python for when I'm looking for hot RES action, so I stripped the guns and armor off my Cutter and turned it into my kissboy quiet time mining barge. It's sweet to have a mining ship that can jump over 30ly, carry an extra fuel tank that gets me anywhere in the bubble, drop like 10 collector limpets at a time, and still carry 500+ units of shinies. I've had my Cutter pimped for combat up until now, but I've never much cared for fighting in it. This new config is dreamy.

My second refit was my DBX, which I had geared up for Fuel Ratting and misc. salvage duties. Finally stripped it down into a pure exploration ship, in anticipation of 2.3. Lots of lightweight mods, and somehow I got away with not having to overcharge my downsized power plant (went with efficiency instead) Low emmisioned my downsized shield, and just barely got the hull weight down low enough for it to work. Getting 50+ ly out of it now; can't wait to see how much that weight reduction (along with a couple other 2.3 engineering additions) improves things.

Only what, two weeks or so until the patch is likely to drop?

Trustworthy fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Mar 30, 2017

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Trustworthy posted:

Some of us even have fun because of the game, which is good and well designed

I'd say there's a lot of good in it, but that does kinda make the more obvious flaws a bit more galling. If it was totally without merit I wouldn't care about its flaws, I'd just ignore it.

Mu77ley
Oct 14, 2016

Enos Cabell posted:

I bought this game yesterday to play spaceships in my Rift headset. Did I make a bad decision? Last few pages suggest very much yes I did.

Best decision you can make as a Rift player.

Mu77ley
Oct 14, 2016

Fojar38 posted:

My only real criticism of the game so far is that I wish that each system looked more distinct. At least change up the skybox every now and then, where are the awesome nebulas and planet varieties?

For all of it's colossal glaring flaws No Man's Sky actually has this game beat in the "interesting things to look at" dimension

The "skybox" is unique in every system, and is actually calculated on the fly when you jump in the system to show the stars around you as they would actually appear. If you want to see nebula, you need to travel nearer an actual nebula.

Mu77ley
Oct 14, 2016

Fojar38 posted:

What are some good sightseeing locations?

The Elephant's Trunk nebula is quite pretty. You can find it "westwards" from the bubble. It's not too long a trek.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Speaking of nebulas, have they unlocked the systems that sit in the way of Barnard's Loop, or is there still a huge wall of restricted systems in the way?

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!

Trustworthy posted:

... so I stripped the guns and armor off my Cutter and turned it into my kissboy quiet time mining barge. It's sweet to have a mining ship that can jump over 30ly, carry an extra fuel tank that gets me anywhere in the bubble, drop like 10 collector limpets at a time, and still carry 500+ units of shinies. I've had my Cutter pimped for combat up until now, but I've never much cared for fighting in it. This new config is dreamy.

I've only flown my Cutter for a couple of hours. It's been parked up since then.

It's gonna get used for similarly none hectic purposes and I've thought of a name for it when 2.3 arrives:

"The Slow Comfortable Crew"

Does this mean that the crew are mentally challenged, or just chill? Make of it what you will.

Sard
May 11, 2012

Certified Poster of Culture.

coupedeville posted:

when the new update comes out pls post your orca build - I heard about the hull reduction in the beta and the crazy jump ranges that will be possible and I am very interested in what you discover :)

https://eddp.co/u/w1pC83Zf
That's the version of coriolis using beta values so assuming FDev doesn't change them, that's as good as that build will be. I'm surprised it was able to hit 45 ly with so many things fit on, and it'll go so fast and fly so smooth that planet surveying will be a breeze. Also this build assumes you have an unusually good roll on the FSD; something better than the standard best, though not necessarily as good as luckily possible. I guess I can shed the guns if I need to make up for a deficient roll to meet my 45 ly goal.

Your Loyal Vizier posted:

Wow. I mocked up a new DBE to give myself some context, and I could only get it to 57ly (with a cut fuel tank). 45 is drat nice for a luxury starboat

I'm terrified that someone will notice how good the Orca is for non-passenger work and scale back the mass reduction, or that they'd do such a thing while I'm out in the abyss. :ohdear:

Sard fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 30, 2017

Conskill
May 7, 2007

I got an 'F' in Geometry.

1500 posted:

They are not there because you could not see them in real life. You want a more distinct look, well go travel. Different parts of the game have very different skybox, but it is dependent on actual location of nebulas. Not sure what you mean by planet varieties, there are a lot of them already.

You've probably figured this out by now, but just in case: Elite and NMS are on opposite sides of the sci-fi spectrum. NMS is all about fantastical vistas and aliens and colorful skies and stuff. Elite is all about simulating a mechanistic galaxy.

Isn't to say there isn't pretty in Elite, because Elite can do pretty, but it's a different kind of pretty.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Fojar38 posted:

What are some good sightseeing locations?

The sky was nice out in the Witch Nebula

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NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Also (posting with attachments as Imgur is being poo poo again) I claimed this system with earthlike as NMN sovereign territory as the night view at this point of the year would be spectacular with that big diadem of blue stars taking up a good portion of the sky. TRAIKOA OW-L C21-10 if you want to visit on the way to Colonia / the Core

I guess the game can be fun if you make it yourself :o:

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coupedeville
Jan 1, 2012

MY ANACONDA DOM'T WANT NONE UNLESS U GOT CUM SON!
those are some great screenshots :cheers:

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Boogalo
Jul 8, 2012

Meep Meep




This is my current goal viper with 2 PAC and 2 mines

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