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Antioch posted:I'm running a 2500K as well. The 970 does OK, like I said - probably in the range of 50-60 fps in Nier:A, 60-70 in JC3 with some settings turned down, roughly the same in Warcraft but that's because it's a 15 year old poorly optimized game at this point. I'd actually disagree, you are getting the full value from your monitor. The best application for GSync, I think, is the fact that you can pair it with a GPU that isn't top-of-the-line and from your perspective get top-of-the-line results. I went from a 770 to a 1070, so that was a big jump. If I had a 970 I'd probably wait another generation. Everyone and their wallets are different though.
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HalloKitty posted:There were often editions of high end cards (especially on the NVIDIA side) that had crazy prices, but were just the lower version with a tiny clock bump. Now the top end cards are genuinely amazingly faster than the stuff lower down. I guess it's all about perspective. Oooo yeah thats a different story Lockback posted:I'd actually disagree, you are getting the full value from your monitor. The best application for GSync, I think, is the fact that you can pair it with a GPU that isn't top-of-the-line and from your perspective get top-of-the-line results. I dont know, I think a 1070 is really great for gsync 1440p. A 970 is getting into the choke zone though. If you arent aware, a 1070 is essentially the performance of 970 SLI, and a 1070 still gets quite pounded at 1440p on its own though its good. I didn't really have a good time with a 970 when it was new on just a 60 hz 1440p screen. It was totally adequate but if we're talking ideal by choice 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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What's the consensus on quiet GPU brands? I know that open-airs are always cooler, but I feel like for any given GPU there's got to be a manufacturer that focuses on silent cooling by using, like, rubberized components or slightly larger fans or something.
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Lockback posted:I went from a 770 to a 1070, so that was a big jump. If I had a 970 I'd probably wait another generation. Everyone and their wallets are different though. Yeah, I'm still happy enough with my 770; my monitor only does 60hz anyways so I figure I'll upgrade that and my video card whenever the 1170s or whatever come out.
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jokes posted:What's the consensus on quiet GPU brands? I know that open-airs are always cooler, but I feel like for any given GPU there's got to be a manufacturer that focuses on silent cooling by using, like, rubberized components or slightly larger fans or something. MSI usually has a pretty quiet card. The FTW 3 has huge fans and 3 of them so it should run quiet as well.
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jokes posted:What's the consensus on quiet GPU brands? I know that open-airs are always cooler, but I feel like for any given GPU there's got to be a manufacturer that focuses on silent cooling by using, like, rubberized components or slightly larger fans or something. There are many top end GPU's but only 1 that had both power AND quietness and that was the MSI Gaming. [edit] My 970 is pretty much silent at full GPU power, cooling around 65c, fan is only running 50% too. Ak Gara fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 18:38
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jokes posted:What's the consensus on quiet GPU brands? I know that open-airs are always cooler, but I feel like for any given GPU there's got to be a manufacturer that focuses on silent cooling by using, like, rubberized components or slightly larger fans or something. Seems like a niche somebody should fill but it basically does not exist like that. It comes down to literally looking up different brands of cards for every product and its not consistent at all. However I can save you a bit of time and if youre looking at 1070s or 1080s the MSI seems to win by a hair generally https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/28.html 30 and 31 db is very quiet for a GPU, I've seen some measurements at 29 for MSI this time around. On the other hand its really splitting hairs between some of them
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jokes posted:What's the consensus on quiet GPU brands? I know that open-airs are always cooler, but I feel like for any given GPU there's got to be a manufacturer that focuses on silent cooling by using, like, rubberized components or slightly larger fans or something. Palit has one of the quietest and best performing coolers for the 1080s with the gamerock series. It's tied with Gainward (same cooler). They did really good with the gamerock cooler. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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jokes posted:What's the consensus on quiet GPU brands? I know that open-airs are always cooler, but I feel like for any given GPU there's got to be a manufacturer that focuses on silent cooling by using, like, rubberized components or slightly larger fans or something. The correct answer is to slap a G10 + quiet AIO on it and never worry again. And unless NVidia breaks from their mounting configurations at some point in the future (the current one has been in use for several generations now, so it seems unlikely unless there were a strong case for it--maybe the eventual move to HBM), you can just port it over to your next card, too. Something like the H-55 Quiet should be virtually silent.
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jokes posted:What's the consensus on quiet GPU brands? I know that open-airs are always cooler, but I feel like for any given GPU there's got to be a manufacturer that focuses on silent cooling by using, like, rubberized components or slightly larger fans or something. There really isn't any brand that is universally quiet (everyone makes blowers) but Zotac has really been knocking it out of the park for multiple generations now on specialty low-power+super-quiet parts. My GT 640 Zone Edition says that your 1050 Ti can probably run full passive if your AIB actually tried (same TDP). And they've put out a bunch of similar specialty super-quiet parts too. Palit's great too, yeah. But as a general rule for Pascal, pick the cheapest open cooler and go with that, it'll be quiet enough that you won't care about quibbling over the differences. Unless you are doing a 1080 Ti in which case you are definitely either going to a 3-slot cooler (just aren't enough reviews yet) or an AIO bracket for sure. There's no quiet way to cool 250-350 watts of power unless you are moving it out of the case ASAP. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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DrDork posted:The correct answer is to slap a G10 + quiet AIO on it and never worry again. And unless NVidia breaks from their mounting configurations at some point in the future (the current one has been in use for several generations now, so it seems unlikely unless there were a strong case for it--maybe the eventual move to HBM), you can just port it over to your next card, too. I'd do this if there were a pump that was actually silent, bet I have yet to encounter one that doesn't make audible bubbling/rattling noises and I always find it more annoying than a fan twice as loud. Like, fans are the least of my problems, cards without coil whine and pumps without noise are impossible to find compared to quiet fans.
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I've used a H-55, H-65, H-110, and LQ-320, and none of them have had any pump noise or bubbling unless you shoved your ear to within about 6" of it. Not to be insulting, but are you sure you're installing everything correctly? If you install the radiator/res upside down, it does tend to make bubbling noises, and sometimes you have to coax an air bubble out of a pump if you've just installed it. But once you get it set, it should be very, very quiet. Honestly, of the 5 or 6 I've had, only one made any noise, and it was an older, used one I got on ebay that was probably being sold for exactly that reason. I imagine it had probably leaked a bit of fluid out over time and now had more air bubbles than it could effectively deal with.
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DrDork posted:I've used a H-55, H-65, H-110, and LQ-320, and none of them have had any pump noise or bubbling unless you shoved your ear to within about 6" of it. Not to be insulting, but are you sure you're installing everything correctly? If you install the radiator/res upside down, it does tend to make bubbling noises, and sometimes you have to coax an air bubble out of a pump if you've just installed it. But once you get it set, it should be very, very quiet. All the Hydro ones I ever got from Microcenter had air bubble noise, ironically all the ones I've gotten as refurbs have been fine, but "fine" as in the base level of pump noise I still hear from a few feet away since my environment is pretty quiet. Like, I can set my CPU and GPU to both go passive if I'm just browsing the forums or something, and then I'm at 0db. The pump impeller always makes a noise I can pick up like that. Edit: Between the TDP for CPU/GPUs now, I feel like we're maybe one die-shrink away from liquid coolers being obsolete, honestly. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Zero VGS posted:I'd do this if there were a pump that was actually silent, bet I have yet to encounter one that doesn't make audible bubbling/rattling noises and I always find it more annoying than a fan twice as loud. As long as everything is in the proper orientation, air bubbles shouldn't be that much of an issue. Anecdotally, every time my Titan XP's AIO gurgles I get this sense of dread that it might be leaking and always check to see what's going on.
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Zero VGS posted:Edit: Between the TDP for CPU/GPUs now, I feel like we're maybe one die-shrink away from liquid coolers being obsolete, honestly. Every die shrink increases the proportion of leakage current and enthusiasts are always going to want to have the ability to run faster instead of cooler. I doubt it.
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Eletriarnation posted:Every die shrink increases the proportion of leakage current and enthusiasts are always going to want to have the ability to run faster instead of cooler. I doubt it. I thought that each one decreases the leakage current? Wasn't that the whole point? Like I don't doubt you, but I don't get how it works either. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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So I just installed this 1080ti and now I have a 970 just sitting around... Any use in dedicating it to physx if all I do is VR?
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App13 posted:So I just installed this 1080ti and now I have a 970 just sitting around... Any use in dedicating it to physx if all I do is VR? Barely any games actually use a dedicated PhysX card, and as far as I know the only VR game that does is that gimmicky VR Funhouse tech demo. I'd just sell it, used 970s still go for $150-180 on eBay.
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Mar 31, 2017 00:05
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Yeah, better sell it before the Vega release ends up swamping the market with used RX480s for $100 apiece.
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Zero VGS posted:I thought that each one decreases the leakage current? Wasn't that the whole point? Up to now, from what I understand the total amount of current needed to actively run a transistor decreases with each generation but the proportion of that which is just uselessly leaking out because the gaps between circuit elements is so small increases. This creates issues with idle power consumption which technologies like SpeedStep are designed to address, but it also implies a fundamental diminishing return on efficiency gains as transistors become increasingly nanoscopic.
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HalloKitty posted:Nah, I still think it's pretty lousy that NVIDIA doesn't support Adaptive Sync. They can say that GSYNC is better (and by some accounts it is), and market it as the superior product, but it's definitely petty not to support the standard. How long has it been a standard? Which chips have they designed since then?
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Subjunctive posted:How long has it been a standard? Which chips have they designed since then? pretty sure its driver limited not chip limited.
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Subjunctive posted:How long has it been a standard? Which chips have they designed since then? It hasn't been mandatory in any display standards currently in use. It will be included in some of the upcoming ones. That said, the technology to make *sync work already exists in most existing standards, which is part of why FreeSync (which leverages Adaptive Sync to work) is FreeSync, in that there's no need for extra hardware. In fact, AMD has been able to get limited FreeSync functionality working on some monitors sold before FreeSync even existed, since the tech was already there. Despite being a relatively new thing, FreeSync works as far back as the HD7000 series cards, which were released back in 2012 (e; and NVidia's GSync works as far back as the 600 series, also from 2012); clearly it's not a chip thing. If NVidia wanted to, there's little doubt that they could support it with a simple software update. They're not going to, though, because it makes them $0, whereas every GSync monitor sold makes them some cash and then locks you in to buying future NVidia products thanks to the sunk cost of the monitor. DrDork fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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wargames posted:pretty sure its driver limited not chip limited. Ah, makes sense.
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Eletriarnation posted:Up to now, from what I understand the total amount of current needed to actively run a transistor decreases with each generation but the proportion of that which is just uselessly leaking out because the gaps between circuit elements is so small increases. This creates issues with idle power consumption which technologies like SpeedStep are designed to address, but it also implies a fundamental diminishing return on efficiency gains as transistors become increasingly nanoscopic. I gotcha, yeah but idle power consumption is now handled passively on most fan coolers... the max load TDP might be getting diminishing returns on power efficiency but those crazy spikes, sustained high TDP, and overvolting are where watercooling excels and we're pretty much on the tail end of all that.
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Doesn't G-Sync have the one added bonus of having it work over a much larger Hz range than FreeSync? From like 0-100Hz vs 45-75Hz?
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How G-Sync works and differs from Freesync. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkrJU5d2RfArepiv posted:Note that this video was made before G-Sync gained the ability to run with or without V-Sync and before Freesync got LFC. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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G-Sync for laptops uses standard adaptive sync, there is no monitor module. So I think that's where someone has to begin if they want to hack the driver to enable adaptive sync for desktop.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:How G-Sync works and differs from Freesync. Note that this video was made before G-Sync gained the ability to run with or without V-Sync and before Freesync got LFC.
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Whatever happened to those modules we were supposed to retrofit to our old monitors to support all the *sync? It's been a while since that was a thing, but it seemed like a thing companies pushed credulously when *sync came out.
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ufarn posted:Whatever happened to those modules we were supposed to retrofit to our old monitors to support all the *sync? It's been a while since that was a thing, but it seemed like a thing companies pushed credulously when *sync came out. There was a single TN monitor you could do that with, NVidia made like 100 of the modules turn discontinued it. It was a monitor that just happened to have an expansion slot inside it which I doubt mist other monitors have.
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Zero VGS posted:There was a single TN monitor you could do that with, NVidia made like 100 of the modules turn discontinued it. The monitor didn't have an expansion slot, Nvidia designed an entire replacement mainboard for that specific monitor that could accommodate the G-Sync module. It was basically a G-Sync prototype platform turned into a product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMKpJr0KTC8
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The future is here!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smM-Wdk2RLQ
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Oh no its that day again I hope AMD says Vega will be released tomorrow and its better than a 1080ti for $289
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Wacky Delly posted:I would legit buy usb thumb drives that look like little video cards though. Was thinking the same thing. Fan has to spin though.
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I kind of hate how this stuff comes out on the 31st, just because it turned April 1st *somewhere* in the world two hours and 42 minutes ago.
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It's not april fools yet nvidia >:[ Not in the great state of the Unite States
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Wacky Delly posted:I would legit buy usb thumb drives that look like little video cards though. Very much this. 64G+ and the fan spins when it's plugged in and powered. Aww yea. That and the area that would have lighting can light up when there is activity on it to boot. Crap Nvidia make this real. Though its all April 1st crap, I would totally take that Thumbdrive and the AI stuff if they could make it real lol. Thing about an AI to play EVE for you, or fly you somewhere in Elite since there is still no autopilot in the Elite future.
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