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No you misunderstand me --- why teach? Period. I remember high school in the 2000s and they were pushing for people to become teachers HARD. I remember laughing at the idea.
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Blistex posted:That's pretty much why people work there, they are usually hiring because they're lovely places where their own community members rarely get the qualifications to teach at them themselves. I was considering creating an AMA thread about my six years in First Nations education, but it would be equal parts depressing/unbelievable, and now that I'm at an awesome school, I don't need to think about it that often any more. Also some incredibly butt hurt piece of poo poo would do everything in their power to dox you over it, you huge racist.
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Glenn Quebec posted:No you misunderstand me --- why teach? Period. I remember high school in the 2000s and they were pushing for people to become teachers HARD. I remember laughing at the idea. It's similar to the military. Getting a teaching license (in the US, I'm sure in Canada too) requires such an intrusive and unnecessary class load in school (it should be just two or three extra classes, instead its closer to two extra classes every semester) that you have to start doing it when you're a Freshman and it interferes meaningfully with anything else you could be studying in college. Once you graduate you're faced with the same rear end job market everyone other than engineers with family connections and nurses willing to work in rural areas face, and you have this feeling you should use your degree, so you sign on to go work in Shitsville Flatts and it's horrible and it turns out that while you do get a couple of months off in the summer the rest of the time you're working 10-11 hour days, including extra time on the weekend, doing what is basically a combination of working the complaint line at a big box store as far as the parents goes and working in a daycare except there are 35 kids in your daycare for you to watch on your own. If you want a raise you can either wait or get a master's degree (if you have a master's degree to begin with you will either find that you won't be paid for it until x years down the line by policy or you will find that you have trouble getting hired because you cost more than someone without one) and then wait, so lots of people start doing an MEd right away which is even more sunk cost. Basically if they couldn't trick you into signing on for it at 18 there would be no teachers in North America. The only saving grace to the job is the pension and many states have basically done everything they can to eliminate it. A teacher's pension in states that still have normal ones would require about 2MM in index fund investments to provide the same likely level of security (which is actually more than the teacher will get in income during their career lol) and seemingly "fair" state cuts to it often reduce the equivalent value to $750,000 or so, which is just hilarious. raton fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 00:31
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Sheep-Goats posted:Also some incredibly butt hurt piece of poo poo would do everything in their power to dox you over it, you huge racist. Back when helldump was still up and running a goon took the bait in a half-assed honeypot post I made and actually called the aforementioned school trying to get me fired. Luckily the receptionist didn't bother listening to him after he said my real name and transferred him to my line. After about 5 minutes I talked him down and explained that it was a comedy forum and that we shouldn't be taking any of it that seriously. He explained how he managed to track me down (equal parts creative and scary) and told me how to rectify it so it wouldn't happen again. AngelOpportunity is another good example of how real the forums can get if you give out too much info.
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Mar 31, 2017 00:43
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Blistex posted:Back when helldump was still up and running a goon took the bait in a half-assed honeypot post I made and actually called the aforementioned school trying to get me fired. Luckily the receptionist didn't bother listening to him after he said my real name and transferred him to my line. After about 5 minutes I talked him down and explained that it was a comedy forum and that we shouldn't be taking any of it that seriously. He explained how he managed to track me down (equal parts creative and scary) and told me how to rectify it so it wouldn't happen again. Why were they so angry? I think I'm often super naive about "doxxing", thinking poo poo has to get super crazy and viscous online before someone would do that. But people do it over the most petty little things, and it's really really weird and creepy.
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So some oldster drove a car into a pond right outside my office: I should point out that he needed to cross about 20 ft of pavement and a (flimsy) concrete wall to get here. Additional pic of people kan-ing the renao (I can't complain, I was one of them...)  Unrelatedly:  IT IS THE GLORY! 
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Yeah, we had a brown try to do something like that on london a few days ago, got a bit shot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Blistex posted:This happened to me. I was going through "migration patterns of early humans" and a kid (who was a dick already) decided to take offence, and went home and told his parents that I was outright telling the class that their way of life was a lie. The principal and I had to do some really careful tiptoeing since it's in the curriculum, and it's obviously true, but it's also a First Nations school who's stance is that First Nations oral history is 100% fact. I think it's a bit remiss not to point out that there's, yanno, some fairly understandable reasons behind some of this stuff. You know, what with the whole 'genocide' and 'massive theft of land' that I seem to vaguely remember happening at some points in N-American history. Baronjutter posted:Why were they so angry? I think I'm often super naive about "doxxing", thinking poo poo has to get super crazy and viscous online before someone would do that. But people do it over the most petty little things, and it's really really weird and creepy. Internet has always been full of weirdos and sad motherfuckers; some of them take poo poo too personally and decide that they gonna do something about. Other times when it's poo poo like SS its for whatever reason. (Lulz sometimes)
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http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Dollars-do-not-lie-the-true-picture-of-China-s-growthquote:Converting China's gross domestic product puts the difference in perspective. As the National Bureau of Statistics put the yuan's average rate against the dollar in 2016 at 6.6423, China's nominal GDP of 74.4 trillion yuan comes out as $11.2 trillion. In 2015, GDP was 68.9 trillion yuan or $11.06 trillion. Yeah, time to get the gently caress out, if you haven't already.
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fish and chips and dip posted:http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Economy/Dollars-do-not-lie-the-true-picture-of-China-s-growth china to become worlds largest economy by 2020
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Glenn Quebec posted:No you misunderstand me --- why teach? Period. I remember high school in the 2000s and they were pushing for people to become teachers HARD. I remember laughing at the idea. Have you ever asked a teacher why they teach? It can be an incredibly rewarding experience to educate and impact the lives of so many growing individuals. Kids spend 1/3rd of their day at school. A teacher who actually gives a drat can truly influence and inspire them. Teachers are important, my dude.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:37
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Which is why they've got to get got. 
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Deceitful Penguin posted:I think it's a bit remiss not to point out that there's, yanno, some fairly understandable reasons behind some of this stuff. Growing up poor is a good reason to insist that your people have always had horses.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:You know, what with the whole 'genocide' and 'massive theft of land' that I seem to vaguely remember happening at some points in N-American history. This isn't a good reason to aggressively ignore science and history
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Fojar38 posted:This isn't a good reason to aggressively ignore science and history But enough about TCM.
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staberind posted:a brown Wow what
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Mar 31, 2017 03:15
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Yes that is not the preferred term
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Dzhay posted:
I want this so bad, for the glory of course..
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Dzhay posted:Unrelatedly: what did the text on the lid say?
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Sheep-Goats posted:Growing up poor is a good reason to insist that your people have always had horses. do you by any chance write articles for the economist Fojar38 posted:This isn't a good reason to aggressively ignore science and history Tbh, I think that politically and economically marginalized groups clinging to idealized versions of the past, where such things have often been (and even are) tied to their material benefit. Calling them paranoid isn't even doing it justice; the US government has seemingly gone back on every single treaty they ever made with Native Americans if they were capable of doing so. So them expecting the government to go: "Well If they aren't the really native people, well, then gee golly, I suppose they don´t deserve even those reservations after all!" So it's a hell of a lot more understandable than when, say, the Japanese refuse to DNA test their tombs because they're afraid the nobles there might not be ~pure yamoto people~ but despicable Silla Koreans.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:do you by any chance write articles for the economist wow v. rude
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Also while I appreciate that growing up poor in a lovely environment and drawing your identity from an abused people lends some advantages and creates other obstacles, but everyone has things they can forgive for and things they can't. I grew up in a place where our minorities were natives and have heard the usual "gently caress you white boy" at 2am walking to my car or diatribes about my thieving lying soul at 1:45 am before leaving that same bar, that's fine. If I run into some kindly old native woman telling me a story about how the earth was made that's fine, I'll be nice to her. But when a young man in 2017 wants to insist that his people have had horses since the time the turtle laid the world egg I'm not going to bend over backwards to allow for it or understand how his tortured soul came to this misalignment, I'm going to laugh at him. I would like to think that if I were a member of that community and rich white kids from Toronto were willing to do four years of college and then come out to the loving wasteland I inhabit with no worthwhile girls to make no money teaching a lot of kids that don't give a poo poo that maybe I'd give him a little more respect and not try to get him fired for carefully explaining science to a 12 year old. In a science classroom you have a duty to teach science. Same for history in a history classroom. Science and history often have conclusions that are at odds with closely held personal beliefs, including very tender ones, for a lot of people. Part of learning is running into those things and having them run over you sometimes and that doesn't just go for those that have never been run over before, it also goes for those that have. There's no such thing as a just abuse -- getting injured by someone else happens, whether they are right to do that however doesn't have much to do with the fact that there's an injury involved or in the capacity of the injured party to bear another injury. We have a human obligation to lessen the impact of these kinds of things when we can but it's wrong to go into fantasy land to prevent a collision to begin with. raton fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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i thoguht we were here to make fun of chinese, not be racist about brown people whos country we invaded
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very clever with maracas posted:i thoguht we were here to make fun of chinese, not be racist about brown people whos country we invaded Nobody brought up the Ainu
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very clever with maracas posted:i thoguht we were here to make fun of chinese, not be racist about brown people whos country we invaded pretty sure they are red, please get up to date on your colonial racism
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Last time I checked, there is exactly one school in Japan dedicated to teaching the Ainu language. Speaking of languages of indigenous peoples, one of the tribes in my state has resurrected their own language in the past twenty years. Fortunately, their ancestors wrote many documents and things before they were finally forced by the government to stop speaking it. One lady went through the trouble of researching it, getting a graduate degree in linguistics, and then putting together a textbook for lay people to learn from. Really interesting stuff.
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The Mayan written revival is super interesting if you're into that. Basically a bunch of mostly Germans figured out how to read Mayan and eventually classes were started to teach actual Mayans, who then became teachers themselves and now there's a growing community able to read and write the various Mayan languages with the original characters.
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My family went to an exhibit last year that was related to that, I think. They came back with a slip of paper that supposedly had my name written in the characters. Do they have any idea how the language would have originally sounded, or did they make up pronunciations?
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It was a living language when it was deciphered, and it's still living afaik.
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Mayan's very well understood since the language and culture was never wiped out in the conquests, there's still millions of native Mayan speakers. There's a few dozen Mayan languages, and linguists do whatever black magic that I don't understand to extrapolate older versions of languages from the modern. It's probably pretty close. They've been able to use sound to match up names when Mayans and Aztecs were discussing the same people, for example, and to find evidence for stuff like Teotihuacan installing rulers in Mayan cities.
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nickmeister posted:My family went to an exhibit last year that was related to that, I think. They came back with a slip of paper that supposedly had my name written in the characters. Do they have any idea how the language would have originally sounded, or did they make up pronunciations? Figuring out how dead languages actually sounded is a bit of a guessing game sometimes, but if you know what you're doing, you can make a pretty good educated guess. We know what sounds a human mouth can make and there might be some loanwords floating around various other languages, or surviving names of places. Edit: also the above which apply here to Mayan. IIRC the Catholic Church has also published an official Mayan Bible and lets priests give mass in it.
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nickmeister posted:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8-dQdASWkDU
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Thanks, people.
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gently caress SNEEP posted:Have you ever asked a teacher why they teach? It can be an incredibly rewarding experience to educate and impact the lives of so many growing individuals. Kids spend 1/3rd of their day at school. A teacher who actually gives a drat can truly influence and inspire them. Teachers are important, my dude. They certainly ain't paid like they're important, which is why I said 'gently caress it' after a year.
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Maybe it's just Shenzhen because it's the "tech city" (AKA spergy STEM socially-awkward nerd magnet), but why are like 80% of the white expats here fat as gently caress and unshaven? Is this normal for other major cities in China? It's like goon central whenever I see white guys. The Indians, Arabs, black people from various places, and Africans are all normal looking and dress decently. The white people... holy poo poo. So many of them have huge bellies, bitch tits, and look like they shave once every few weeks. They also dress in tight t-shirts that accentuate their bellies and tits, and are usually wearing shorts with socks pulled way up. They look like the kind of guys that play Nintendo DS's in public. It's like a Pacific Northwest community college here. The ones that are wearing their work clothes wear the belt below the belly so they don't have to buy bigger pants. Not a good look when you have to tuck your shirt in.
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On teacher chat, I became IDEALIST after teaching in two private schools and was tired of helping to educate the children of the rich, so I took a job in a public school. Pros: Stuff I considered normal is apparently amazing new ideas, like having students read English for a purpose other than grammar worksheets, research a topic, organise their thoughts, and write a simple report. Then present their report. Their English ability has improved by leaps and bounds since I started ... for some. Cons: Due to the competitive nature of Hong Kong schools, my classes are filled with the kids off those either not rich enough or smart enough to get into private schools. Motivation is low, and it's like Japan where some students just do nothing for every class. Some students, despite having had English class every day for six years, cannot communicate at all and just copy random words from the book because that's what they learn to do for their normal class. And there are some students about to go on to secondary school who are illiterate. Like, in Chinese, let alone English. It's depressing and I see that I'm like a man screaming into the wind; sure, I'm pushing back in my little spot but you can't fight the storm. I have an interview at a prestigious international school next week. Wish me luck.
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Haier posted:Maybe it's just Shenzhen because it's the "tech city" (AKA spergy STEM socially-awkward nerd magnet), but why are like 80% of the white expats here fat as gently caress and unshaven? Is this normal for other major cities in China? It's like goon central whenever I see white guys. please don't doxx magnakaiser
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Lady Galaga posted:please don't doxx magnakaiser it's actually fart simpson
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Haier posted:Maybe it's just Shenzhen because it's the "tech city" (AKA spergy STEM socially-awkward nerd magnet), but why are like 80% of the white expats here fat as gently caress and unshaven? Is this normal for other major cities in China? It's like goon central whenever I see white guys. I don't know. On the one hand, if you don't have an Asian face you're going to be treated like some sort of radioactive alien no matter how well kempt you are. On the other hand, they're white so they can still get laid without trying if they put down their DS for a moment. If you're black or brown, you REALLY have to put your best foot forward to get something approaching decent treatment. Imperialist Dog posted:On teacher chat, I became IDEALIST after teaching in two private schools and was tired of helping to educate the children of the rich, so I took a job in a public school. Wow! How common is illiteracy in Hong Kong among young people?
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Pirate Radar posted:Figuring out how dead languages actually sounded is a bit of a guessing game sometimes, but if you know what you're doing, you can make a pretty good educated guess. We know what sounds a human mouth can make and there might be some loanwords floating around various other languages, or surviving names of places. It's not even just that, we also now what kind of processes happen to pronunciation and languages in general, and combined with knowing at least some modern (or even more valuably historical, often coming from how things were transliterated in other contemporary languages) pronunciation you can work backwards quite well. It's a really interesting science
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