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That's literally the stupidest take possible.
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 14:51 |
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For mature human beings, being aware that people are products of their environment, tempers stupid & immature emotional reactions like hatred of a group of people. Rationalizing hatred as reverse-double progressiveness just means that you haven't actually internalized that fact - you're looking for an excuse for your emotional reactions, rather than challenging them.
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 14:56 |
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water slide wizard, the reason people hate the poor is because they think income level is a product of inherent aptitudes that people are born with, and they think class mobility is something available to anyone who just knuckles down and works hard enough. it's just-world fallacy in action: the long-term poor must be repulsive, horrible, incompetent people, because if they weren't then obviously they wouldn't be poor it naturally follows from that that they believe helping the poor is pointless, because they believe the long-term poor have an inherent disposition toward poverty and will inevitably fall back into it without lifelong support
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 14:57 |
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I guess my post would make more sense if I didn't use hate and amended it w/ the point that I disagree with the thread's fundamental premise that any majority or reasonable minority of ppl who identify as liberals "hate" the poor they are lots of bad things at them like "callous" and "indifferent", they may be afraid of them or repulsed by them, but none of that is the same thing as "hate", nor is liberals hating trump voters or rural whites the same thing as liberals hating "poor people"
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 15:09 |
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Just posting to say Trans people are awesome human beings and are some of the most kindest souls I've ever ran into I think it's lovely we boil people down to their identities though. Also, I saw this old article, and it's relevant right now https://medium.com/@lowenaffchen/i-got-mad-at-the-radio-f1515110ffb6 quote:I got mad at the radio
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 19:13 |
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when I think of liberal the words" bicycle cop" pops into my head
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 20:46 |
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mysterious frankie posted:what is this with the "neoliberal left" thing, like *morphs into old woman from car insurance commercial* that's not how any of this works *morphs back into self* you big dumbo *morphs into firework, explodes beautifully*
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 20:58 |
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rudatron posted:For mature human beings, being aware that people are products of their environment, tempers stupid & immature emotional reactions like hatred of a group of people. Rationalizing hatred as reverse-double progressiveness just means that you haven't actually internalized that fact - you're looking for an excuse for your emotional reactions, rather than challenging them.
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 21:00 |
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God, rereading pre-election coverage just feels so surreal. At time it seemed we were lamenting the inevitable. On November 8th, Punxsutawney Phil will see his shadow and we'll get another 8 years of neoliberalism as things will gradually get worse. That inevitability was so well cemented they couldn't even bother to offer the thinnest emptiest shreds of hope to people their policies have immiserated over the last 30 years. Of course these bloodless, alien loving ghouls lost to Trump.
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 22:18 |
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Liberals dont HATE the poor, they are contemptous of the poor and, generally speaking, anyone whose life is not on an upward trajectory. Totally different. Whether the contempt is presented as disgust or patronization or dismissal or pity or frustrated demands and whining when the poor are disobedient or insufficiently "thankful" is pretty situational though.
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 22:47 |
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npr is a neoliberal shithole that pushed some anti-sanders messaging during the primaries. they only covered sanders from the context of a horse race and not from the context of what policies will benefit americans. theyre currently on the russia hysteria bandwagon. im glad other people call 'em out for what they are because im sick of the insufferable attitude of people who listen to that station as if it's an unbiased or decent news network.
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 23:30 |
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defund npr imho although its mostly funded by corporations and rich people these days anyways
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# ? Mar 30, 2017 23:43 |
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comedyblissoption posted:npr is a neoliberal shithole that pushed some anti-sanders messaging during the primaries. they only covered sanders from the context of a horse race and not from the context of what policies will benefit americans. theyre currently on the russia hysteria bandwagon. im glad other people call 'em out for what they are because im sick of the insufferable attitude of people who listen to that station as if it's an unbiased or decent news network. Last time I listened to NPR they were interviewing some woman from Maine who wanted the trump administration to take soda and candy off off of food stamps.
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 00:03 |
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comedyblissoption posted:npr is a neoliberal shithole that pushed some anti-sanders messaging during the primaries. they only covered sanders from the context of a horse race and not from the context of what policies will benefit americans. theyre currently on the russia hysteria bandwagon. im glad other people call 'em out for what they are because im sick of the insufferable attitude of people who listen to that station as if it's an unbiased or decent news network. That wasn't NPR! They have no control over what affiliate stations run! The show wasn't made by NPR, they can't be held liable for the contents of programs they buy! -Some pedantic fuckwit
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 02:21 |
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zegermans posted:leftists don't have a problem with the cross burners It's cool to see the Democrats going back to their roots.
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 05:11 |
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Iron Twinkie posted:God, rereading pre-election coverage just feels so surreal. At time it seemed we were lamenting the inevitable. On November 8th, Punxsutawney Phil will see his shadow and we'll get another 8 years of neoliberalism as things will gradually get worse. That inevitability was so well cemented they couldn't even bother to offer the thinnest emptiest shreds of hope to people their policies have immiserated over the last 30 years. Of course these bloodless, alien loving ghouls lost to Trump. I keep listening to Chapo's Trap House and their words, along with this post accurately describes my feelings of disgust for them right now. I used to think the old Conservative talking point about there being a "LIBERAL" media was horseshit. But you know what...it's a half truth. They are liberal, but only when it comes to the sort of liberalism that is espoused by Bill, Hillary and Obama. Beyond that? Well we see what happened during the primary and election cycle. Honestly? I'm tired of their influence. They've hitched their wagons with neocons and all they care about are just the least important poo poo imaginable. Vague platitudes, and Red baiting 2.0. It feels like they're bizarrely threatened by any sort of change to their current control of the affairs and are now trying to protect that influence with Bush era republicans assisting them. It's really gross and disgusting. I don't understand why people like Donna Brazille, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Hillary herself just don't go away at this point. It feels like outlets like Time Magazine and others are so desperate to have this sort of neoliberal/west wing fantasy that the rest of the country has moved on from and wants nothing to do with.
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 08:21 |
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They don't know how to do anything else.
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 08:27 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:I keep listening to Chapo's Trap House and their words, along with this post accurately describes my feelings of disgust for them right now. Uh yeah, the majority of the media is economically Liberal, and pays lip service to social progressivism. Liberal media will join with neocons in destroying any legitimate attempt at leftist movements, usually by portraying them as loonie left commies, which generally goes down very well with the electorate. It's why every leftist American's fantasies about the Democrats moving way to the left and winning sweeping wave elections with figures like Sanders are hilarious to me, because socially conservative media would annihilate the movement's chances with social conservatives who may be open to economic leftism, while liberal media would slam such a movement as economically disastrous for everyone.
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 08:46 |
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comedyblissoption posted:npr is a neoliberal shithole that pushed some anti-sanders messaging during the primaries. they only covered sanders from the context of a horse race and not from the context of what policies will benefit americans. theyre currently on the russia hysteria bandwagon. im glad other people call 'em out for what they are because im sick of the insufferable attitude of people who listen to that station as if it's an unbiased or decent news network. the media caring more about pushing horse races and click bait than focusing on what would most benefit people? say it ain't so
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 15:40 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:
I'm trying to articulate my thoughts without it coming out as a string of profanity with the word GLOBALISTS inserted at random intervals. In my mind the core of the problem is that we have a Political and Media class in the first place and more importantly how insulated and isolated it has become. In order to get anywhere in politics or in one of the six companies media has been consolidated down to, you need both social connections to get your foot in the door and the financial means to work for little or no pay. To even get someone's coffee, you need to be in a position where food, clothing, shelter, or any other basic necessity isn't a concern and never has been. Their focus on tone, procedure, and palace intrigue is because those are the topics and social capital of everyone else they have ever known. They themselves and no one they have known has ever had a real problem in their lives. I think what makes me angrier than anything else is that they have no comprehension of just how much they are loathed and hated. The increasing desperation of huge swaths of the population isn't even background noise in their world. They believe they are loved. Iron Twinkie fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Iron Twinkie posted:I'm trying to articulate my thoughts without it coming out as a string of profanity with the word GLOBALISTS inserted at random intervals. In my mind the core of the problem is that we have a Political and Media class in the first place and more importantly how insulated and isolated it has become. In order to get anywhere in politics or in one of the six companies media has been consolidated down to, you need both social connections to get your foot in the door and the financial means to work for little or no pay. To even get someone's coffee, you need to be in a position where food, clothing, shelter, or any other basic necessity isn't a concern and never has been. Their focus on tone, procedure, and palace intrigue is because those are the topics and social capital of everyone else they have ever known. They themselves and no one they have known has ever had a real problem in their lives. I just started reading the wiki pages of the news faces to see if there was any truth to them all being born and raised elite assholes. Oh man, you weren't kidding.
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Iron Twinkie posted:I'm trying to articulate my thoughts without it coming out as a string of profanity with the word GLOBALISTS inserted at random intervals. In my mind the core of the problem is that we have a Political and Media class in the first place and more importantly how insulated and isolated it has become. In order to get anywhere in politics or in one of the six companies media has been consolidated down to, you need both social connections to get your foot in the door and the financial means to work for little or no pay. To even get someone's coffee, you need to be in a position where food, clothing, shelter, or any other basic necessity isn't a concern and never has been. Their focus on tone, procedure, and palace intrigue is because those are the topics and social capital of everyone else they have ever known. They themselves and no one they have known has ever had a real problem in their lives. I drove through a part of Akron that I spent the first two years of my life in, and my mother grew up in. It was tough to see a lot of businesses I used to recognize as things as trivial as a "Wendy's" convert into Check Cashing places, Mobile Networks you've never heard of and the like. What Mark Blyth said about Trump/Brexit is completely accurate in this regard. These are people that are forgotten. It doesn't matter the race. The African Americans in those neighborhoods I see suffer from similar problems as their white counterparts.. Things like Flint...do not matter to these people. It's gotten so bad that even my dittohead father has now fully embraced elements of "New deal" leftism. I've heard him bitch about how corrupt the banks are, how we need to invest in infastructure spending...all of this. But they keep putting their heads in the sand, and ignoring these people. They don't matter to them. They bailed out wall street and gave the finger to main street. They get to go back to their white upper class neighborhoods, or gentrified neighborhoods, then look down at everyone else that doesn't share their sesame street version of "diversity".
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comedyblissoption posted:npr is a neoliberal shithole that pushed some anti-sanders messaging during the primaries. they only covered sanders from the context of a horse race and not from the context of what policies will benefit americans. theyre currently on the russia hysteria bandwagon. im glad other people call 'em out for what they are because im sick of the insufferable attitude of people who listen to that station as if it's an unbiased or decent news network. NPR's news lost me around early February last year. It makes sense, they're much more dependent on corporate funding than they used to be and their target demographic is middle aged upper middle class people. But it just got too insufferable.
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 18:00 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:
something I thought of Obama took Andrew Jackson from the $20 last year Trump (prob at Bannon's behest) layed the wreath at Jackson's tomb and tweeted about him and put his portrait in the oval office there's prob no better symbolism for the way democrats gave up their original core identity as anti-bank, anti-northeastern elite populists with its core constituents in the south and midwest than this
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Typo posted:something I thought of i know his background kinda contradicts this, but when's the last time you've heard a Dem champion FDR and his legacy? I got stamps the other day and the post office worker from behind the counter seemed so drat proud they featured "New Deal" programs on them. Those programs are STILL taught in school to this day as an example of how we dug our asses out of financial ruin and helped grow the middle class. They don't do that. You know who they do like to talk about. i'll give you a little hint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXqz0-fVcn4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seBrOcoj89s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV0AjH0ahWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQai93glsy0 (That last one? Ran in Ohio during the election btw).
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wizard on a water slide posted:as an aside I think it's astounding that there are ppl on this forum and probably itt who take it as axiomatic that people on the trans spectrum or w/e are inherently repulsive, while simultaneously not getting how someone can hate poor people
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 19:23 |
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What's the point of NPR existing now that Car Talk's over?
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Jeb! Repetition posted:What's the point of NPR existing now that Car Talk's over? A Prairie Home Compan....wait...dammit...
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 19:47 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:i know his background kinda contradicts this, but when's the last time you've heard a Dem champion FDR and his legacy? I was gonna say bernie but then I remembered that he's not a democrat
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FuzzySkinner posted:i know his background kinda contradicts this, but when's the last time you've heard a Dem champion FDR and his legacy? that makes me wanna vomit bad dems are disgusting
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 20:39 |
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Typo posted:I was gonna say bernie but then I remembered that he's not a democrat "He's not a democrat" Thank loving christ. (Edit: Not directed at you. But a lot of HRC mainstream supporters said that poo poo as a smear). Condiv posted:that makes me wanna vomit i showed this to my father and several others that despise Hillary, view Reagan as the 2nd coming of Lincoln. The sheer look of disgust on their face was incredible. They were so angry at it that they went "I don't even want to talk about it". I don't know who they were trying to reach in that ad. Reagan supporters generally love Trump. Old school Democrats hate Reagan and what he did to unions. They were trying to reach some small sliver of "NEVER TRUMP" republicans that is such a minuscule, pathetic sample size that it's not even worth addressing.
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# ? Mar 31, 2017 21:33 |
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Hillary and Jeb! both ran campaigns that would have been more at home in the early 90s, they were way out of touch with our current political reality.
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comedyblissoption posted:npr is a neoliberal shithole that pushed some anti-sanders messaging during the primaries. they only covered sanders from the context of a horse race and not from the context of what policies will benefit americans. theyre currently on the russia hysteria bandwagon. im glad other people call 'em out for what they are because im sick of the insufferable attitude of people who listen to that station as if it's an unbiased or decent news network. I've found that a lot of NPR's coverage of leftists isn't usually explicitly negative (though it sometimes is), but it's almost always covered with this sort of skeptical/incredulous tone. Like the person talking about something a leftist said will have this tone to their voice like "but isn't this dumb and weird?" They also almost always end the segment with the anti-leftist perspective in such cases (though to be fair one of the inevitable problems with presenting two sides to an issue in the news is that you have to give one side the last word, so to speak). I find that NPR is good for covering anything that isn't that important. Like their coverage of random stuff that isn't related to politics, the economy, or foreign policy is pretty good. edit: Oh, I forgot to mention NPR's love affair with natural gas. One of NPR's big sponsors (at least for a while, not sure if they're still a sponsor) was a natural gas industry advocate group, and they would frequently give these extremely positive spots on natural gas/fracking. It got to the point where it became an in-joke of sorts where my friend and I would text each other when NPR did a pro-natural gas spot. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:They were trying to reach some small sliver of "NEVER TRUMP" republicans that is such a minuscule, pathetic sample size that it's not even worth addressing. the size is 3 (bill kristol, jennifer rubin and rick wilson) and they all probably still voted trump or abstained, lol
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The Brown Menace posted:the size is 3 (bill kristol, jennifer rubin and rick wilson) Glenn Beck. Who's pissed all of his credibility among right wing circles as a result.. A lot of liberals are calling him "one of the good ones" now along with war criminals George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and others.
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FuzzySkinner posted:They were trying to reach some small sliver of "NEVER TRUMP" republicans that is such a minuscule, pathetic sample size that it's not even worth addressing. What's that in the sky? A turd? A vein? A jar of mayonnaise? No it's Chuck Schumer! http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438481/chuck-schumer-democrats-will-lose-blue-collar-whites-gain-suburbs quote:At least publicly, Schumer has no worries about his party’s dwindling fortunes among working-class white voters. “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” The modern Democrats desperately, DESPERATELY want to be the party of Wealthy, Socially Conscious, Smart, Respectable Republicans. Why do we have to visit all these weird rat men and mole people every four years that worry about strange things like clean water, police brutality, or feeding their children when we could be retweeting and giving TED talks to like, ten other people? Iron Twinkie fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Iron Twinkie posted:
they are stuck in the 1990s democrats of a certain age have still not gotten over the trauma of Reagan and Nixon destroying the new deal coalition
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FuzzySkinner posted:i know his background kinda contradicts this, but when's the last time you've heard a Dem champion FDR and his legacy? I've thought for a while that Democrats could get a lot of traction nationwide with a set of policies that intentionally hearken back to FDR's Four Freedoms: Freedom of Speech - Even if Trump disagrees with you Freedom of Worship - But not just for Christians Freedom from Want - The 1% shouldn't live the good life while others suffer Freedom from Fear - But not just for white folks It's a coherent message that has relevancy today, while having historical resonance, but I doubt it'd get play inside their messaging shops. Democrats have been utterly incompetent at messaging for as long as I've been alive, I don't know why I think they'll suddenly figure it out now.
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i listened live to a segment npr was doing where they literally brought up "bernie bros" as "another" example of online harassment when they were discussing the anti-semitic ((())) marker npr's coverage on foreign policy is super bad and super pro bombing brown people
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