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Maxwell Adams posted:I dunno, I've been annoyed with his design from the start. They established way back in the day that Apocalypse didn't actually that grin on his face, and what we thought was his body was actually a robot suit being worn by a withered old guy inside it.
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irlZaphod posted:Whoa, what is that from? The culmination of 'The Twelve', an event that they sort of spent about 15 years dropping hints about until it finally happened. It led directly into Ages of Apocalypse, a completely different thing than Age of Apocalypse, what kid of dummy would get confused about that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse:_The_Twelve Maxwell Adams fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 17:32
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Maxwell Adams posted:The woman is Idie, she has fire/ice powers and complex feelings about god. I think she's the only character from generation hope who's still around. The dude is Romeo, Iceman's inhuman boyfriend Idie also notably took the actions that caused the Schism.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:33
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Maxwell Adams posted:The culmination of 'The Twelve', an event that they sort of spent about 15 years dropping hints about until it finally happened. It led directly into Age of Apocalypse. It did not. AoA was 5 years before.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:35
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Ages of Apocalypse is not Age of Apocalypse is not X-Men: Age of Apocalypse.
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Mar 30, 2017 17:39
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Aughf. That's what I get for skimming a wikipedia article. Seriously, though. AgeS of Apocalypse?
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Mar 30, 2017 17:49
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X-O posted:Roger Gocking is the only Dad that kid should ever need. I dread the day somebody decides that Jess needs to be revamped again.
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Maxwell Adams posted:Aughf. That's what I get for skimming a wikipedia article. It was basically just the name of a short story arc, mostly so Alan Davis could draw alternate X-Men versions running about.
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Mar 30, 2017 18:05
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Just wait until the next Apocalypse story arch, set in the future: Aged of Apocalypse!
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Mar 30, 2017 18:21
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Remember when they tried to do an Age of Apocalypse ongoing semi-recently and they thought it'd be a great idea to kill off or de-power every single iconic X-character from the AOA universe?
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Mar 30, 2017 18:21
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Aegis of Apocalypse
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Maxwell Adams posted:
This is hosed if true beyond belief. I don't know how to process this. Do not like.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:21
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Okay, so Thunderbolts had Kobik come out and say that Red Skull asked her to change history so that Steve was Hydra. Which, to me would imply that the Allies winning is still the *real* reality. IDK, no one reads Thunderbolts.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:24
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redbackground posted:It was basically just the name of a short story arc, mostly so Alan Davis could draw alternate X-Men versions running about. And, really, who wouldn't want that?
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Soonmot posted:Okay, so Thunderbolts had Kobik come out and say that Red Skull asked her to change history so that Steve was Hydra. Which, to me would imply that the Allies winning is still the *real* reality. IDK, no one reads Thunderbolts. Unless that's Spencer it doesn't really matter what they said there.
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Maxwell Adams posted:I dunno, I've been annoyed with his design from the start. They established way back in the day that Apocalypse didn't actually that grin on his face, and what we thought was his body was actually a robot suit being worn by a withered old guy inside it. This has varied for years, probably decades at this point, several origin stories have En Saba Nur with the blue fishlips and this becomes a visual theme that carries through to the later Clan Akkaba stuff, like when Chamber got his cyber-torso and jaw. He's also been a normal-looking dude in a suit repeatedly, sometimes even a normal-looking non-white dude! As of the current All-New X-Men, fishlips is the one they're going with.
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I'm just grasping at anything that makes the Nazis won thing not true, because it's terrible
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Soonmot posted:I'm just grasping at anything that makes the Nazis won thing not true, because it's terrible Okay, you gotta understand Marvel and comics in general here. Everyone figured that Cap's heel turn was just going to be temporary because of course it was, and no matter how much they insisted it wasn't mind control etc. We knew that it couldn't possibly be true that Captain America was secretly a Nazi this entire time. And since everyone knew that the "Cosmic Cube change reality to make Steve actually from Hydra" change could never last, Marvel knew it had to be one step ahead of of the fans! It's not that Steve had his reality changed, it's that Steve had himself restored to how he was before the ALLIES rewrote reality so Hydra would lose! One wonders why Hydra didn't just rewrite reality so that it went back to the 'real' reality where they won instead of changing just one person. But maybe they just like the fight? But in the end it's going to be revealed that the Allies won, Hydra got the Cosmic cube to change reality, then the Allies changed it back, and now Hydra changed it again! Unless they want to be "Deep" and "Meaningful" and "Question if it's right to alter reality to change a person" Which... I dunno if that was me, I wouldn't do that with the loving Nazi's. It's really like someone read Identity Crisis, looked to DC and said "Pfft, you wanna talk about editing memories after a Supervillain raped someone. Hold my beer."
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Mar 30, 2017 23:37
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Someone at Marvel really liked The Man in the High Castle.
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Maxwell Adams posted:I dunno, I've been annoyed with his design from the start. They established way back in the day that Apocalypse didn't actually that grin on his face, and what we thought was his body was actually a robot suit being worn by a withered old guy inside it. This is just wrong
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Open Marriage Night posted:Someone at Marvel really liked The Man in the High Castle. Oh! Goddamn suddenly this all makes perfect sense. I forgot about that airing.
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Mar 31, 2017 02:46
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Apocalypse whole survival of the fittest shtick doesn't fit with old man in a suit imo. If he was a normal human who grew into and was modified by High Evolutionarys tech into blue fish lips I can take. It's more appropriate for him to radiate tremendous presence and physical power.
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Gatts posted:Apocalypse whole survival of the fittest shtick doesn't fit with old man in a suit imo. If he was a normal human who grew into and was modified by High Evolutionarys tech into blue fish lips I can take. It's more appropriate for him to radiate tremendous presence and physical power. He was never a normal human, he was the first mutant who got his hands on Celestial tech and then used it to overthrow Kang-a Tut.
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rantmo posted:He was never a normal human, he was the first mutant who got his hands on Celestial tech and then used it to overthrow Kang-a Tut. Yeah let me rephrase that, a mutant but I mean a normal human looking dude.
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Mar 31, 2017 03:49
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I like the idea that the blue/purple stuff is armor and it's just a human looking dude underneath like Darth Vader.
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Mar 31, 2017 04:19
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Mr President posted:I like the idea that the blue/purple stuff is armor and it's just a human looking dude underneath like Darth Vader. You like that a character with a non caucasian skin color is cracked open to reveal a white dude. I am shocked.
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Rhyno posted:You like that a character with a non caucasian skin color is cracked open to reveal a white dude. Wait that's not what I meant at all
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Mr President posted:and that's not even talking about the excellent series by Mark Millar I don't think anything with Mark Miller's name attached to it is anywhere remotely close to being considered excellent... or even okay-ish.
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Rhyno posted:You like that a character with a non caucasian skin color is cracked open to reveal a white dude. lol
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Mr President posted:Wait that's not what I meant at all Owned
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Maxwell Adams posted:The woman is Idie, she has fire/ice powers and complex feelings about god. I think she's the only character from generation hope who's still around. The dude is Romeo, Iceman's inhuman boyfriend. That's just awful. I get what he's doing here, but because what he's doing is, at it's core, "What twist can I put on this 14 year old character" it's not very compelling. Plus this idea is literally Doctor Doom's whole thing already; it's not the burnt, crispy body, it's the indomitable mind.
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The Twelve was just generally awful so at least it's in line with the narrative whole.
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SilverSupernova posted:I don't think anything with Mark Miller's name attached to it is anywhere remotely close to being considered excellent... or even okay-ish. Let's see: Kick rear end Multi Million Dollar Franchise Kings men Multi Million Dollar Franchise Avengers (MCU inspired by Ultimates) Multi Billion Dollar Franchise Logan (inspired by Old Man Logan) billion dollar film Civil War billion dollar film based on Marvels most successful miniseries Seems like an excellent track record to me
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Did Spencer really say that Steve Rogers was originally a Nazi all along and the cosmic cube made the reality where he was Captain America, or am I dead and in hellMr President posted:Let's see: You know Mark Millar is a liberal right?
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Mr President posted:Seems like an excellent track record to me His worst comic must be Swamp Thing . He only earned a regular salary off of that!
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Mr President posted:Let's see: McDonald's is the most successful restaurant in the world. That doesn't make it the best restaurant. Millar is a fairly solid idea man, but most of his work has been heavily massaged in order to get it into a usable state for translation to another medium. Kick-rear end is probably the single most faithful adaptation of his work, and even it changes the ending of the first series. (And it's entirely for the better.) Kingsman and Wanted are both unrecognizable in all but the broadest strokes. The books that Millar has actually written tend to get hefty amounts of fan backlash once somebody thinks about them for more than ten seconds. His Ultimates is mostly carried by Bryan Hitch's art and has a lot of truly unpleasant story decisions as it goes, "Old Man Logan" has the incestuous Hulk descendants, and Civil War is an interesting idea and led to some decent stories, but the original series is a notorious dumpster fire with admittedly great art. I'll admit I liked MPH, but the best thing with Millar's name on it is still probably his Adventures of Superman run.
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I really like Red Son, and I'm totally willing to admit that's probably thanks to Morrison paving over the Millar-est parts of the story.
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I really wanted to like Millar's "Marvel 1985" but ehhhhh One sticking point about him being, as was pointed out, a fairly good ideas guy is that he gets to be the one that ends up using those ideas, and then the resulting work is all Millary and bad, and then the idea is pretty much unfit for use or recycling.
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Lurdiak posted:I really like Red Son, and I'm totally willing to admit that's probably thanks to Morrison paving over the Millar-est parts of the story. I thought Morrison just wrote or suggested the ending?
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Lightning Lord posted:I thought Morrison just wrote or suggested the ending?
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