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Sound
Oct 18, 2004


Mordor She Wrote posted:

The democrat tried to do that with "not taking away your current healthcare" and "expand education so you can get job training" and then Trump voters decided a bigly wall was more convincing argument, so endlessly attacking them is the only right answer hth.

what actually happened was Hillary spent the entire general election with the message 'at least I'm not trump', TEN MILLION less voters turned out for the dems, and trump won just based on the idiot conservative vote. Trump voters were never going to vote Hillary but she could have won handily if she didnt actively work to push away voters.

FYI the current healthcare system sucks loving dick, is crazy expensive, and can be blamed on democrats. "Keep healthcare the way it is" is far less appealing to most people than "fix this hosed up healthcare system by throwing a Molotov through the window"

Amazingly "expand education" isn't exactly going to whip up a fervor in your voting base these days.

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Mordor She Wrote
Nov 17, 2014

Sound posted:

what actually happened was Hillary spent the entire general election with the message 'at least I'm not trump', TEN MILLION less voters turned out for the dems, and trump won just based on the idiot conservative vote. Trump voters were never going to vote Hillary but she could have won handily if she didnt actively work to push away voters.

FYI the current healthcare system sucks loving dick, is crazy expensive, and can be blamed on democrats. "Keep healthcare the way it is" is far less appealing to most people than "fix this hosed up healthcare system by throwing a Molotov through the window"

Amazingly "expand education" isn't exactly going to whip up a fervor in your voting base these days.

Well that's why I think the Democrats will never hold office again, republicans are too dumb to accept reality.

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/cards-against-humanity-creator-threatens-170408337.html
This won't happen but it would be very funny if it did.
Speaker Paul Ryan spends most of his time in his office moderating a Papa Roach fan board and offered lead singer Jacoby $1000 dollars to hang out with him on at least 8 separate occasions.

Krustic fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Mar 31, 2017

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Sound posted:

what actually happened was Hillary spent the entire general election with the message 'at least I'm not trump', TEN MILLION less voters turned out for the dems, and trump won just based on the idiot conservative vote. Trump voters were never going to vote Hillary but she could have won handily if she didnt actively work to push away voters.

The amount of votes Hillary got was actually comparable to 2012 obama, it's just that it shifted regions: from the rust belt to the coasts. From what I remember reading (and I'm phone posting so no link) she was worried about losing the popular vote and campaigned in California and New York to make sure she won that assured in dem supremacy in the rust belt.

She lost because she was arrogant and wouldn't just go campaign to the Midwest.

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.

Sound posted:

what actually happened was Hillary spent the entire general election with the message 'at least I'm not trump', TEN MILLION less voters turned out for the dems, and trump won just based on the idiot conservative vote. Trump voters were never going to vote Hillary but she could have won handily if she didnt actively work to push away voters.

FYI the current healthcare system sucks loving dick, is crazy expensive, and can be blamed on democrats. "Keep healthcare the way it is" is far less appealing to most people than "fix this hosed up healthcare system by throwing a Molotov through the window"

Amazingly "expand education" isn't exactly going to whip up a fervor in your voting base these days.

Well I think the whole Hillary's got this 98% chance of winning stuff didn't really help build a sense of urgency to get people out and vote.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Panzeh posted:

I like how all attacks on trump are gonna destroy the dems in the midterms.

:qq: If you guys don't stop being mean to my best friend trump then you'll never win anything. :qq:

Harping on about Russia while loving over their populist base and shoring up corporate weasels is going to do it.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

new phone who dis posted:

Harping on about Russia while loving over their populist base and shoring up corporate weasels is going to do it.

I would've never dreamed of voting Republican ever, but here we are. GJ Hillary

Mordor She Wrote
Nov 17, 2014

new phone who dis posted:

Harping on about Russia while loving over their populist base and shoring up corporate weasels is going to do it.

Just change harping on about Russia to sucking off Putin and you're just describing Trump

Sound
Oct 18, 2004


Mordor She Wrote posted:

Well that's why I think the Democrats will never hold office again, republicans are too dumb to accept reality.

I think they will hold office again but nothing will change because democrat voters are also dumb

old beast lunatic
Nov 3, 2004

by Hand Knit
Wait are people still suggesting Trump voters should be treated like human beings? lmao

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Mordor She Wrote posted:

Just change harping on about Russia to sucking off Putin and you're just describing Trump

Yes I agree both parties are almost impossible to tell apart at this point. Two shitwagons painted different colors.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Multi-Millionaires vs Billionaires

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Look everyone is in the same boat here. Voters on both sides want the same thing - a stable, fair society where they have enough to not be terrified.

The left says "The problem is the business owners, they're greedy, they steal your wages. The answer is more government"

The right says "The problem is the government, they choke us out and use their powers for their own greed. The answer is less government"

After Obama, what the right is saying makes more sense to me. The economy imploded, and there was no rebound. Obamacare failed. We've seen a decline in quality of life in America, stagnating wages, and we've had plenty of government this whole time. So why would I want more and more government interference when they obviously do not have my interests in mind at all?

Mordor She Wrote
Nov 17, 2014
"I hate my lovely pay and benefits, and instead of voting for the party that wants a higher minimum wage and better benefits, I'll vote for the people who lobby against them! They'll surely reward me with a big raise"

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Look everyone is in the same boat here. Voters on both sides want the same thing - a stable, fair society where they have enough to not be terrified.

The left says "The problem is the business owners, they're greedy, they steal your wages. The answer is more government"

The right says "The problem is the government, they choke us out and use their powers for their own greed. The answer is less government"

After Obama, what the right is saying makes more sense to me. The economy imploded, and there was no rebound. Obamacare failed. We've seen a decline in quality of life in America, stagnating wages, and we've had plenty of government this whole time. So why would I want more and more government interference when they obviously do not have my interests in mind at all?

The right just took over the government

That's...not good for many reasons

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Obamacare made my benefits worse though? And it was gonna keep declining.

If Obamacare would have succeeded, it would have been Dems for sure

Mordor She Wrote
Nov 17, 2014
The literal only solution to healthcare is single payer at this point, the democrats are much more inclined to that concept than the party of Trump, Paul Ryan and made up of "taxation is theft" types.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Yah but don't you see that there was a chance for that and it didn't happen, and things got worse.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Like the whole concept here is "I'm not going to accept 'socialism' when all it is actually is packaged corporate oppression"

Toadvine
Mar 16, 2009
Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

Mordor She Wrote posted:

The literal only solution to healthcare is single payer at this point, the democrats are much more inclined to that concept than the party of Trump, Paul Ryan and made up of "taxation is theft" types.

Lol trump voters aren't the only ones clinging to a fantasy

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Essentially you want me to vote for ideals, but what happened was that I voted against the current reality. That reality is that "socialism and democracy in America has been hijacked by global corporations acting in their own interests"

Like just because you're packaging "corporate tyranny" as "socialist progressiveness" doesn't mean I'm buying it. Its like some loving white bread company labeling all their poo poo "Organic" when it's the same factory sludge as always

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Mordor She Wrote posted:

The literal only solution to healthcare is single payer at this point, the democrats are much more inclined to that concept than the party of Trump, Paul Ryan and made up of "taxation is theft" types.

Do you not remember their majority in both houses ending up in a love song to insurance companies or what?

Jukebox Hero
Dec 27, 2007
stars in his eyes

new phone who dis posted:

Do you not remember their majority in both houses ending up in a love song to insurance companies or what?

There are two options

Democrats might do it maybe

Republicans cannot do it because they have campaigned against it on a borderline religious level for years

I shall vote dem

Toadvine
Mar 16, 2009
Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.
These democrats will emphatically Not Push Single Payer.

Nancy-Pelosi-We're-Capitalists.doc

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Jukebox Hero posted:

There are two options

Democrats might do it maybe

Republicans cannot do it because they have campaigned against it on a borderline religious level for years

I shall vote dem

Vote third party to punish Dems into getting their poo poo together. Ultimately if they want to adopt the platform of "being 1 iota less lovely than them", I have no problem ditching both parties.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Look everyone is in the same boat here. Voters on both sides want the same thing - a stable, fair society where they have enough to not be terrified.

The left says "The problem is the business owners, they're greedy, they steal your wages. The answer is more government"

The right says "The problem is the government, they choke us out and use their powers for their own greed. The answer is less government"

After Obama, what the right is saying makes more sense to me. The economy imploded, and there was no rebound. Obamacare failed. We've seen a decline in quality of life in America, stagnating wages, and we've had plenty of government this whole time. So why would I want more and more government interference when they obviously do not have my interests in mind at all?

Except the right says that and then does literally the exact opposite.

We went from a small surplus under Bill Clinton into a hilariously huge deficit under Bush. The GOP says they want "less gov't, less intrusive gov't" then they decide they have the moral authority to tell people how to marry, how to gently caress, which bathrooms they are allowed to use, harsh drug sentencing and enforcement, etc.

They want a nanny state just as much as the Dems do except theirs is a fundamentalist religious one. They spend just as much as the Dems do, just on different things (like the military).

Like I feel you dude but the GOP is not actually the party of "less gov't" anymore and they haven't been since Reagan.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Mar 31, 2017

Jukebox Hero
Dec 27, 2007
stars in his eyes

Toadvine posted:

These democrats will emphatically Not Push Single Payer.

Nancy-Pelosi-We're-Capitalists.doc

Are you the one that calls democrats retarded or do you just imply things like that

I don't trust your research

I'm gonna vote dem and tell my friends to vote dem too

new phone who dis posted:

Vote third party to punish Dems into getting their poo poo together. Ultimately if they want to adopt the platform of "being 1 iota less lovely than them", I have no problem ditching both parties.

This is just a trick to get me to waste my vote on a protest nobody will notice isn't it

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
The concept of "I must always vote R or D or my vote is wasted" is dumb. Parties have changed in this country before and they'll change again. These are not our only two choices forever.

Besides you already did "lesser of two evils, gotta pick the one that will actually win" option and look what happened, HRC lost miserably anyway. Next time vote for Bernie in the primaries you morons.

new phone who dis
May 24, 2007

by VideoGames
Morbid Hound

Jukebox Hero posted:

Are you the one that calls democrats retarded or do you just imply things like that

I don't trust your research

I'm gonna vote dem and tell my friends to vote dem too


This is just a trick to get me to waste my vote on a protest nobody will notice isn't it

Do you think nobody noticed the people who didn't vote or voted third party this time?

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Moridin920 posted:

Like I feel you dude but the GOP is not actually the party of "less gov't" anymore and they haven't been since Reagan.

I didn't vote for the GOP who hated / hates Trump. I voted "Other"

I'm not arguing for voting Jeb Bush, which I would never do

Jukebox Hero
Dec 27, 2007
stars in his eyes

new phone who dis posted:

Do you think nobody noticed the people who didn't vote or voted third party this time?

Yes.

T.S. Smelliot
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

$8.99 for this poo poo?
:eyepop:

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

"Vote dem to raise minimum wage and have singlepayer healthcare!"

Reality: http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/03/24/mayor-pugh-vetoes-15-minimum-wage-bill/

rezatahs
Jun 9, 2001

by Smythe
yeah turns out

demz r skum

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
haha this thread is still talkin about hillary rodham clinton

firebeats
May 8, 2016

new phone who dis posted:

Vote third party to punish Dems into getting their poo poo together. Ultimately if they want to adopt the platform of "being 1 iota less lovely than them", I have no problem ditching both parties.

yep

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost
Spunky is on fire today. I believe he can reach 1000 posts in this stupid thread before next week.

It's funny watching him care so much about defending trump's image on a comedy forum

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
who do the frogmen hate more? hillary clinton or brown people?

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

I used to work at a remote camp and every Wednesday was steak night and there was one guy there that would have two steaks well done absolutely slathered in ketchup. Like half a bottle. And a baked potato. I never saw him eat a green vegetable in two years. He was also extremely conservative and one of the dumbest people I've ever met in my life.

I think between him and SPH and POTUS we've got a fairly well established correlation between these things.

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Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

Spunky is on fire today. I believe he can reach 1000 posts in this stupid thread before next week.

It's funny watching him care so much about defending trump's image on a comedy forum

You're right, maybe Trump should pay *me for all this

Spunky Psycho Ho fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Mar 31, 2017

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