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Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money
I can't remember, can you still play after killing the final boss before moving on to NG+? I kind of want to try playing with the firelink greatsword for once.

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Feb 5, 2005
WA3
Yeah, you move on by using the bonfire at firelink shrine.

Raposa
Aug 4, 2007

That post went quite well, I think.

Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:

If I have 27 STR, shouldn't I be able to two-hand the twin greatswords since they need 40 STR?

You'll need an extra pair of hands as well.

Heroic Yoshimitsu
Jan 15, 2008

Yeah, that makes sense. Guess I'll need to re-allocate some stuff then. I suppose wearing the prisoner's chain can compensate for some missing points.

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

I finally ambushed an invader with a young white branch. :feelsgood:

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
I loving hate Midir. This might actually be a bad boss.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

I don't understand what I should be doing in ringed city inner walls I can't get past these stairs

basalt
Jan 11, 2015

I've been doing a lot of co-op around the Ringed Inner Wall and Ringed City Streets bonfires and just watched somebody completely obliterate the NPC in the swamp. They seemed really pleased with themselves, too (lots of gestures afterwards). Is there a more efficient way to signal that a character is non-hostile aside from putting your weapons away or approaching with your shield up?

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

mary had a little clam posted:

Time for Spears... :getin:

Please don't take it personally if/when I murder you with my claymore.

But nobody can disturb the Princess.

Raposa
Aug 4, 2007

That post went quite well, I think.

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

I don't understand what I should be doing in ringed city inner walls I can't get past these stairs

Run down them, hug the right hand wall and you'll find a corridor full of curse birds, go down it, avoid the ring spear knight, cross the bridge and drop down on the right. From here you can either go left and climb a ladder to go find items/an invader or you can drop down into the swamp and go right to find the next bonfire.

Or just use Hidden Body and the Slumbering Dragoncrest ring to run straight down the steps.

basalt
Jan 11, 2015

Also, if anyone is having difficulty on PC (or just wants some company) I'm more than keen to help escort people through the area or defeat certain bosses. The endless co-op opportunities are one of my favourite things about this series.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

basalt posted:

I've been doing a lot of co-op around the Ringed Inner Wall and Ringed City Streets bonfires and just watched somebody completely obliterate the NPC in the swamp. They seemed really pleased with themselves, too (lots of gestures afterwards). Is there a more efficient way to signal that a character is non-hostile aside from putting your weapons away or approaching with your shield up?

Which NPC? I was actually surprised this time around most of them spoke to you before you even had a chance to hit them. I've definitely attacked a couple of them in the past, but they're usually pretty forgiving about it as long as you don't finish them off.

basalt
Jan 11, 2015

Elman posted:

Which NPC? I was actually surprised this time around most of them spoke to you before you even had a chance to hit them. I've definitely attacked a couple of them in the past, but they're usually pretty forgiving about it as long as you don't finish them off.
The one who says "let the feast begin". As I mentioned, this person was very enthusiastic.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Okay I managed to white knuckle run through the muck and found the shortcut to a bonfire I apparently passed

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

DOUBLE CLICK HERE posted:

Yeah, you move on by using the bonfire at firelink shrine.

Neato. Is that sword any good by and by? I straight up never used it.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

basalt posted:

The one who says "let the feast begin". As I mentioned, this person was very enthusiastic.

That's all of them :v:

I think I found 3. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing one.

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Quantum of Phallus posted:

Ringed inner wall bonfire onwards is the biggest load of poo poo ever.

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

I don't understand what I should be doing in ringed city inner walls I can't get past these stairs


I think the key is probably to take it slow-ish, lure out one fatty at a time and instakill them with a plunging attack, then move to the next. Alternatively, just run past everything to the next bonfire because it's not actually a super long stretch, just a very dense and scary one.

mastershakeman posted:

seems like you can pretty much just sprint to the new dlc. you have to beat what bosses-iudex , tree, vordt and friede?

Iudex, Vordt, Crystal Sage, Friede

Time_pants
Jun 25, 2012

Now sauntering to the ring, please welcome the lackadaisical style of the man who is always doing something...

In the dragon fight, is there any worthwhile buff that you can apply to a weapon, or is it best not to sweat trying to maintain it?

uncle w benefits
Nov 1, 2010

hi, it's me, your uncle

hanales posted:

If you're on PS4 add me mandggaming and I will add you to our goon souls co-op group. generally someone on to help somewhere.

I did the big goon PSN batch file thing. Is this different?

I saw a lot of people fighting lothric brothers with ringed city weapons, which was fun. Then I noticed that as I was being insta-summoned, fights were already in progress. Was there a feature added that auto-joins boss fights if you put your sign down, and the host is eligible?

I didn't see it linked, but here is what basically looks like an official canon explanation about the ending that I haven't seen yet.

https://twitter.com/DarkSoulsGame/status/847881281149042689

uncle w benefits fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Apr 1, 2017

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Time_pants posted:

In the dragon fight, is there any worthwhile buff that you can apply to a weapon, or is it best not to sweat trying to maintain it?

Lightning is good, and you should have time to reapply every now and again. But it's a long fight so I wouldn't go overboard with always buffing.

That Dang Dad
Apr 23, 2003

Well I am
over-fucking-whelmed...
Young Orc

8-Bit Scholar posted:

Please don't take it personally if/when I murder you with my claymore.

But nobody can disturb the Princess.

Friend, I too am preserving the sleep of our fair princess.

Oddly, I seem to get a lot of solo people fighting the Spears. That's too easy with a STR character.


Anyway, can we make a list of unresolved/unexplained poo poo in the Dark Soulsiverse?

Here's off the top of my head:

- What's the deal with the Queen? Was she Gwyndolin? Was she Rosaria? Whattup?
- What's the deal with the Angel Cage at the top of the Grand Archives?
- Who was the Third Londor Sister? And what was the deal with Londor? Where was Kaathe?
- Why are their Primordial Serpent statues in the Ringer City?
- When is the Filianore's Slumber taking place? Where IS that?
- After beating the final DLC boss, the ash wasteland is dark? Is that the age of dark or just a dark desert?
- What is Courland and why is that little midget man seemingly creating Firelink or something?
- Why isn't Velka more prominent given that she's THE MOST IMPORTANT GODDESS OMGGGG

-edit: There's a tower all by itself floating off to the side at the beginning of the ringed city. looks important. wish i was there

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

And now the dragon bridge. I've lost patience with this. Ugh I'll try a fresh character. It's probably it being ng++ that's making me frustrated.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

mary had a little clam posted:

Friend, I too am preserving the sleep of our fair princess.

Oddly, I seem to get a lot of solo people fighting the Spears. That's too easy with a STR character.


Anyway, can we make a list of unresolved/unexplained poo poo in the Dark Soulsiverse?

Here's off the top of my head:

- What's the deal with the Queen? Was she Gwyndolin? Was she Rosaria? Whattup?
- What's the deal with the Angel Cage at the top of the Grand Archives?
- Who was the Third Londor Sister? And what was the deal with Londor? Where was Kaathe?
- Why are their Primordial Serpent statues in the Ringer City?
- When is the Filianore's Slumber taking place? Where IS that?
- After beating the final DLC boss, the ash wasteland is dark? Is that the age of dark or just a dark desert?
- What is Courland and why is that little midget man seemingly creating Firelink or something?
- Why isn't Velka more prominent given that she's THE MOST IMPORTANT GODDESS OMGGGG

-edit: There's a tower all by itself floating off to the side at the beginning of the ringed city. looks important. wish i was there

The angel cage is where Gertrude the Heavenly Daughter was kept, probably. At the very least the miracle you find in it was a tale written by her.

Londor is where Hollows live. It seems like New Londo, Take Two, complete with primordial serpents loving around teaching Hollows the art of lifedrain. The third sister of the Sable Church was called Liliane, she's referenced in the Dark Blade description.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Elman posted:

That's all of them :v:

I think I found 3. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing one.

It's the same guy, he moves around.

uncle w benefits
Nov 1, 2010

hi, it's me, your uncle

mary had a little clam posted:

Friend, I too am preserving the sleep of our fair princess.

Oddly, I seem to get a lot of solo people fighting the Spears. That's too easy with a STR character.


Anyway, can we make a list of unresolved/unexplained poo poo in the Dark Soulsiverse?

Here's off the top of my head:

- What's the deal with the Queen? Was she Gwyndolin? Was she Rosaria? Whattup?
- What's the deal with the Angel Cage at the top of the Grand Archives?
- Who was the Third Londor Sister? And what was the deal with Londor? Where was Kaathe?
- Why are their Primordial Serpent statues in the Ringer City?
- When is the Filianore's Slumber taking place? Where IS that?
- After beating the final DLC boss, the ash wasteland is dark? Is that the age of dark or just a dark desert?
- What is Courland and why is that little midget man seemingly creating Firelink or something?
- Why isn't Velka more prominent given that she's THE MOST IMPORTANT GODDESS OMGGGG

-edit: There's a tower all by itself floating off to the side at the beginning of the ringed city. looks important. wish i was there

VaatiVidya makes something like 6000 dollars a month off patreon, so he needs to answer these post haste.

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe
The guy guarding the door to the road of sacrifice was a motherfucker.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Azuth0667 posted:

Trance mode :ssj:

oof, I could replace the Wolf Ring with the Untrue White Ring :black101:

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

mary had a little clam posted:

Here's off the top of my head:

- What's the deal with the Queen? Was she Gwyndolin? Was she Rosaria? Whattup?
- What's the deal with the Angel Cage at the top of the Grand Archives?
- Who was the Third Londor Sister? And what was the deal with Londor? Where was Kaathe?
- Why are their Primordial Serpent statues in the Ringer City?
- When is the Filianore's Slumber taking place? Where IS that?
- After beating the final DLC boss, the ash wasteland is dark? Is that the age of dark or just a dark desert?
- What is Courland and why is that little midget man seemingly creating Firelink or something?
- Why isn't Velka more prominent given that she's THE MOST IMPORTANT GODDESS OMGGGG

That's easy!

- The Queen was the woman married to King Lothric back before all this poo poo went down, she doesn't need to be Gwynevere or Rosaria or anyone other than herself
- The scholars were into three things; 1) Books, 2) Wax, 3) Giant birds. The cage used to house their giant bird but it died :(
- The third sister was Liliane, Londor is just a chill place for hollows to be hollow. Kaathe probably helped them make it because he's into zombies
- For the same reason there are Primordial Serpent statues in the archives; they look goofy as heck and help lighten the mood a little
- It's taking place in the opening cinematic of the game. If you listen closely you can hear the narrator (*old woman voice* Yes, indeed.)
- It's just called nighttime, it happens every day and is nothing to be afraid of
- Courland was just a country, and Ludleth is a good man who doesn't like being called that
- Uh excuse me Velka was the most prominent figure in the entire game, literally every area and NPC has a CLEAR connection. Did you not see my videos?

Thanks for reading and don't remember to like and subscribe, check out my patreon and please give me more money! Making posts like these isn't cheap. Tune in next month for "are Divine Blessings actually Gwynevere's breast milk?" and more!

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Your Computer posted:

That's easy!

- The Queen was the woman married to King Lothric back before all this poo poo went down, she doesn't need to be Gwynevere or Rosaria or anyone other than herself
- The scholars were into three things; 1) Books, 2) Wax, 3) Giant birds. The cage used to house their giant bird but it died :(
- The third sister was Liliane, Londor is just a chill place for hollows to be hollow. Kaathe probably helped them make it because he's into zombies
- For the same reason there are Primordial Serpent statues in the archives; they look goofy as heck and help lighten the mood a little
- It's taking place in the opening cinematic of the game. If you listen closely you can hear the narrator (*old woman voice* Yes, indeed.)
- It's just called nighttime, it happens every day and is nothing to be afraid of
- Courland was just a country, and Ludleth is a good man who doesn't like being called that
- Uh excuse me Velka was the most prominent figure in the entire game, literally every area and NPC has a CLEAR connection. Did you not see my videos?

Thanks for reading and don't remember to like and subscribe, check out my patreon and please give me more money! Making posts like these isn't cheap. Tune in next month for "are Divine Blessings actually Gwynevere's breast milk?" and more!

um, excuse me, but what about the Goddess of the One-Shot Build, the tears of joy that is Caitha :colbert:

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Weeping Wound posted:

um, excuse me, but what about the Goddess of the One-Shot Build, the tears of joy that is Caitha :colbert:

Caitha is Miyazaki's personal jab at the PvP playerbase. She is after all the goddess of tears. Fun fact, during development she was referred internally as the "goddess of salt" (you can still find references to this in the design docs) but they couldn't use that title since it would infringe on Salt and Sanctuary's copyrights. :eng101:

uh oh pancho!
Sep 3, 2004

THE MARATHON WAS COMPLETED SUCCESSFULLY

CLEAR TIME SGDQ18

I think most of the "unsolved" lore questions can be boiled down to "in each game of the series, you're an interloper in a dying land that's pretty hosed up and almost everyone you meet is an interloper too". Everything is passed around as stories and hearsay exchanged by folks prone to forgetting the entirety of their memories. poo poo's prone to being embellished, partially remembered, or forgotten entirely. You're lucky if any historical record is preserved at all, so expect some holes.

Sum Gai
Mar 23, 2013

Your Computer posted:

Caitha is Miyazaki's personal jab at the PvP playerbase. She is after all the goddess of tears. Fun fact, during development she was referred internally as the "goddess of salt" (you can still find references to this in the design docs) but they couldn't use that title since it would infringe on Salt and Sanctuary's copyrights. :eng101:

Caitha comes from Dark Souls 2, the one he didn't direct and doesn't care about. Your move.

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer

Sum Gai posted:

Caitha comes from Dark Souls 2, the one he didn't direct and doesn't care about. Your move.

I have it on good authority that Miyazaki actually loves Dark Souls 2, wish he directed it and it's the only video game he plays in his spare time (when he's not busy reading Berserk) :colbert: Also even if he didn't direct the game himself, he was still supervising it.

uh oh pancho! posted:

I think most of the "unsolved" lore questions can be boiled down to "in each game of the series, you're an interloper in a dying land that's pretty hosed up and almost everyone you meet is an interloper too". Everything is passed around as stories and hearsay exchanged by folks prone to forgetting the entirety of their memories. poo poo's prone to being embellished, partially remembered, or forgotten entirely. You're lucky if any historical record is preserved at all, so expect some holes.

DS3 seems to hammer this point in, and I actually really like that. Like you'll find item descriptions that talk about events ages past and gets stuff wrong, and we know they got it wrong because we were there in the previous games :monocle: I'm sure it also pisses some people off but I personally find it delightful.

Obligatum VII
May 5, 2014

Haunting you until no 8 arrives.
The fact that we don't get to murder the final Londor sister really makes my sense of symmetry twinge.

Also, my biggest two disappointments with DS3 are as follows:
1. There was no proper successor to the bone fist
2. We never did get proper access to the champ's crazy moveset. That was a serious lost opportunity. The boss weapon should have had it.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
It's amusing that the Primordial Serpent statues all seem to have different theories about what sort of bodies they should have. This suggests to me that nobody's actually seen these drat snakes for a long while, and when they do they only saw their doofy heads, same as us. I get the feeling that the serpents sort of faded into the background, content that they've established self-perpetuating systems of fire and dark.

I've finally figured out what the Primordial Serpents represent and their role in the world.


In real world lore, there is a symbol called the ouroboros, which depicts a snake eating its own tail. It has a number of meanings, but it tends to reflect a self-defeating purpose, as well as a cycle, since the snake no longer has a beginning or end. The Primordial Serpents are manifestations of the cycles of fire and dark that perpetuate the game. In the beginning you have two primary serpents who both urge you to either take up the fire or become the lord of Dark. Now, by Dark Souls 3, we've seen that no matter which choice is made, all it serves to do is perpetuate the cycle. All of the Lords in Dark Souls 3 are people who, having completed their Dark Souls game and come to the Kiln, chose instead to walk away.

The Serpents are not in opposition, it is necessary that they work polar to each other. They're a natural force that is symbolically and also somewhat literally reflecting the cyclical nature of the Souls universe, and the apparent conflict between dark and fire. I think that's why Kaathe or Frampt causes Oolacile, to start to initiate the end of the first age of fire, so that then the other serpent can initiate the linking of the fire and start setting a means to replenish the First Flame. This has gone on for ages since then, but it seems, given their lack of appearance in DS2, the Primordial Serpents may have themselves died off ages ago, and now only legends of what they may have looked like remain...as well as some vivid speculation as to what their bodies look like. It reminds me of the olden days of Pokemon, when people were mystified by what Diglett looked like underneath the ground.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Obligatum VII posted:

The fact that we don't get to murder the final Londor sister really makes my sense of symmetry twinge.

Also, my biggest two disappointments with DS3 are as follows:
1. There was no proper successor to the bone fist
2. We never did get proper access to the champ's crazy moveset. That was a serious lost opportunity. The boss weapon should have had it.

I agree, hadoken was awesome in 2.

They also kind of missed a chance to give armor sets some kind of meaning moveset-wise. Maybe if you wore the gundyr armor they could have turned the unarmed parry and punch into his kicks or something. That would have been rad.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

uh oh pancho! posted:

I think most of the "unsolved" lore questions can be boiled down to "in each game of the series, you're an interloper in a dying land that's pretty hosed up and almost everyone you meet is an interloper too". Everything is passed around as stories and hearsay exchanged by folks prone to forgetting the entirety of their memories. poo poo's prone to being embellished, partially remembered, or forgotten entirely. You're lucky if any historical record is preserved at all, so expect some holes.

Dark Souls 2 is the best of the lot because you literally are just someone who shows up out of nowhere to take care of some personal business. The whole thing with Aldia and all the crowns or whatever is just sort of heaped on as you go about trying to fix your own problem. It's still the only one without any sort of GREAT PROPHECY or BUT THOU MUST crap; you're there because you want to be there and you want to be there because you want your dang memories back!

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

Weeping Wound posted:

Dark Souls 2 is the best of the lot because you literally are just someone who shows up out of nowhere to take care of some personal business. The whole thing with Aldia and all the crowns or whatever is just sort of heaped on as you go about trying to fix your own problem. It's still the only one without any sort of GREAT PROPHECY or BUT THOU MUST crap; you're there because you want to be there and you want to be there because you want your dang memories back!

You get a lot of "chosen one" talk from the emerald herald.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Weeping Wound posted:

Dark Souls 2 is the best of the lot because you literally are just someone who shows up out of nowhere to take care of some personal business. The whole thing with Aldia and all the crowns or whatever is just sort of heaped on as you go about trying to fix your own problem. It's still the only one without any sort of GREAT PROPHECY or BUT THOU MUST crap; you're there because you want to be there and you want to be there because you want your dang memories back!

It's even better because you forget about your memories halfway through because some ladies ask you to murder some dudes.

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Time_pants
Jun 25, 2012

Now sauntering to the ring, please welcome the lackadaisical style of the man who is always doing something...

SHISHKABOB posted:

You get a lot of "chosen one" talk from the emerald herald.

I just kind of get the impression that's how they talk. You'd probably get the same sort of fatalistic monologue if you asked them how to make a sandwich or change a tire.

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