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Moridin920 posted:No I think that poo poo is all hosed up and white liberals can go gently caress themselves. Happens to everyone. And I'll admit that it's lovely how there actually doesn't seem to be much room for black posters to talk about what issues they really have with the democratic party because it becomes an open invitation for jerkoffs to wander in and say  -that's why you should have voted Bernie.
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Moridin920 posted:Nah I think you're spot on here and I should probably be a bit less pedantic. I didn't know about the OCR or the Clinton primary filing lawsuits. So you decided to go into a minority-majority space to argue with those folks about their lived experience just because you were bored and you felt the need to be pedantic? And then you followed it up with not being fully informed of the situation? That is a terrible look, dude. Please do not do this poo poo. Morby fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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I post in here because you guys seem more reasonable than D&D and GBS is GBS. I didn't intend to start a pedantic argument, that's just an issue I have in general. No one knows everything so you know I'm sorry I didn't know about that stuff but now I do  Didn't follow the election as closely as I thought I guess.I didn't just go "I'm bored I'll go gently caress with those dudes lol" sorry if it came across that way. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Moridin920 posted:I post in here because you guys seem more reasonable than D&D and GBS is GBS. I didn't intend to start a pedantic argument, that's just an issue I have in general. No one knows everything so you know I'm sorry I didn't know about that stuff but now I do This is exactly how it came across and it's really lovely. You have every other forum, website, app, comment section, etc. that will allow you to be pedantic. You don't have to come into a minority-majority space and do it there, too. I understand that it wasn't your intent to be an rear end in a top hat, but every other platform or forum we might have gets derailed in this exact same way and it's irritating as gently caress.
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Morby posted:So you decided to go into a minority-majority space to argue with those folks about their lived experience just because you were bored and you felt the need to be pedantic? And then you followed it up with not being fully informed of the situation? That is a terrible look, dude. Please do not do this poo poo. Yeah this. I think it was the feminism thread where it was pointed out that the problem with DnD is a bunch of internet nerds who treat political discussions as a privileged white dude game to play, which gets super lovely when posters start making dumb thought experiment arguments to dismiss the perspectives of people who are actually living through the issue in question. That got raised in the context of the terrible abortion thread in DnD and its dismissiveness of women's experiences, but Neuroliminal and Moridin920 have been doing the exact same thing here with black people. Moridin920 posted:I post in here because you guys seem more reasonable than D&D and GBS is GBS. I didn't intend to start a pedantic argument, that's just an issue I have in general. No one knows everything so you know I'm sorry I didn't know about that stuff but now I do The road to hell is paved with good intentions. What counts is how you act, and the way you've acted has been dismissive of black people's perspectives and lived experiences. Also, "sorry if it came across that way" is pretty close to "sorry that you were offended" and is a pretty weak apology. How about "I'm sorry. I realise that I was being dismissive. I'll stop doing that right now, reflect on it and try and do better in the future" ? E: One of the issues with privilege is that you will inevitably do things that are prejudiced without realising it. Good allyship is about listening when you get called on these, then acknowledging and apologising graciously. Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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e: I think actually it's less important that I keep arguing and just let you dudes keep doing you and I'll gently caress off Apologies all around and I'll try to think a little more before kneejerk posting next time. ee: lol really Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 21:54
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Moridin920 posted:Really dude you've LITERALLY NEVER seen me say ANYTHING that wasn't dogwhistle bigotry??? Yes, you staggering douchebag. Get the gently caress out of here and don't come back. You're a loving rear end in a top hat. I mean look at this poo poo: Moridin920 posted:You think voter turnouts are so low solely because of disenfranchisement? There's no possible way many people just felt like both parties were hosed and screw it anyway? Disenfranchisement is definitely a thing obviously but it isn't the only factor at play here. You're loving trash. You're the loving problem. You're ignorance and hate. You make this world worse by living in it. Tiny Brontosaurus fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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That's a truly horrendous av. I got bored and checked who was browing NT. I bet it was the fyad guy. Or one of the 0 post lurkers. 
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e: lol nm I'm not gonna engage with someone personally banned by Lowtax for spreading hateful lies around
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Mar 31, 2017 22:21
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Moridin920 posted:I think you're way overprojecting just like you did with your last post and in general many of the posts you make on these forums. Get out you racist shitbag. Go to Big Wangz and scream at the counter clerk if you want to tell black people how to live. This is our space and ignorant racist fucks like you are not welcome in it.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Get the gently caress out of here with this concern trolling bullshit. "It's just funny how" from someone I've literally never seen say anything that wasn't dogwhistle bigotry. Eat poo poo. Moridin920 posted:I'm pretty much just arguing over phrasing and whatnot because I'm bored I'll gently caress off about it. And TB gets it in one. It's a tedious pattern, so I'll drop a parting shot in as the barreling heats up. As noted in my post - a primary form of racism you're displaying is that you consistently devalue the experience and expertise of black posters while overvaluing your own. You only heed the message when a white poster explains it to you-despite the fact that black posters had called out your problem repeatedly. Even after acknowledging what's occurring, you can't bring yourself to accept the validity of TB's (accurate!) statements. On the off chance you choose to read this: Understand that recognizing racism, like Democratic Party efforts for racial justice, is an area you clearly lack expertise in. When people who are more experienced than you call out racism, fight the instinct to add your own opinion. Shut the gently caress up and listen. Try to identify what they're seeing. LEARN, even if it means believing black people and - going out on a limb here based on how quickly you went to 'hysterical' on TB -  . This doesn't mean that people who call out racism or sexism or various-phobia are always correct. But it's evident that you lack the ability to discern that for yourself, so go ahead and trust the experts until you learn more. Lecturing experts in a topic that we have only a tangential understanding of: The Song of My People (along with Don't Stop Believing)
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Wait, does this mean the avatar spammer took our criticisms to heart about how lovely is was to use Frank Stephens face as an insult?
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I just want to say that I am incredibly uncomfortable about the fact that I am making statements a lot like Moridin920 and being quoted by him. I'm not okay with it and I'm going to try to something about it. The data linked here shows a support of black people but I didn't need the data because I believe you. I know each of you are an individual and you're only a minority of the many people of color in America and elsewhere but do you feel the current crop of incumbent Democrats is supporting you and standing up or do you think there are some that need to be replaced? I'm radical, and I'm upset that so many of them have been voting in line with fascists I just don't see that as supportive because fascists bad but I'm sure I'm not looking at the big picture. If my aim really is to support minorities then I can't just use you as a cudgel or talking point, I need to back you up. I would like to know if the Dems we got are good and support who you support.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Yeah this. I think it was the feminism thread where it was pointed out that the problem with DnD is a bunch of internet nerds who treat political discussions as a privileged white dude game to play, which gets super lovely when posters start making dumb thought experiment arguments to dismiss the perspectives of people who are actually living through the issue in question. In my experience one of the quickest ways to be labeled a 'Neoliberal' in D&D or in left-leaning discussions elsewhere is to point out that reality doesn't work like those thought experiments. Reality is ugly and you have to be persistent. Push when it's time to push, chip away when it isn't. The really stupid thing is that that sort of behavior also tends to play right into the hands of the true regressives and has also contributed to some of the rolling back of progress since the CRA. I don't think (and I could easily be wrong) that we've fallen back past that point yet overall but I'm not sure if that's true for all points. Mainly due to the knock-on effects from things like the increased militarization of police and how the widening income inequality is going to hit PoC's even harder since they're already starting at a disadvantage to begin with. Strength comes from unity and numbers and that is one of the main ways that progress can be made, but we're not getting that unity right now and we're not getting it for really dumb reasons.
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That's not really it, the deal is that we have some nerds with zero emotional investment in a topic trying to argue from first principles like it's a goddamn philosophy class when other people in the thread literally have their lives depending on the political outcome going one way. I'll do that in some threads here (like the free speech thread) but I'll also think about humanity long enough to not require a perfectly generalizable ethical progression to fit all possibilities. The abortion thread was a disaster because a bunch of dudes had to be led to conclusions like "women deserve bodily autonomy" from an argument of definitions instead of accepting it as an axiom upon which we started discussion.
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I looked up the talk given by Mr. Yeshitela that was mentioned. At first I thought "wow an hour and a half screw that" but it was pretty interesting. He is a black person saying pretty much exactly the same things Mordin said. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dK4giPqzuI Roylicious fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Hey guys did u know my black friend voted for Trump and
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hey guys did u know my black friend voted for Trump and And what? I feel like there's some information in this story that will totally upturn the narrative about white liberals being lovely to black people about their choices.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hey guys did u know my black friend voted for Trump and  This changes everything!
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hey guys did u know my black friend voted for Trump and How's his white girlfriend doing? https://youtu.be/G2tLyqfJd54 (Edited to add this so you know I'm joking.) Jenner fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hey guys did u know my black friend voted for Trump and Very Smart Brothas posted:Can you explain how that happened? Why would 13% of Black men vote for this man? If Marvin Gaye were still alive he'd slap each and every one of them upside the head, too.
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I remember reading some hubbub about clinton being "the black peoples candidate" back when your primaries were on and wondering how the gently caress that worked out. Who decided that anyway? I mean I get it, it's just the normal propaganda thing, but there's usually something more to it.
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lollontee posted:I remember reading some hubbub about clinton being "the black peoples candidate" back when your primaries were on and wondering how the gently caress that worked out. Who decided that anyway? This is not a "hey negroes answer the poo poo I'm too lazy to google" thread. We literally just talked about this, and it's a complex issue that your dismissive attitude and ignorance wouldn't engage with in good faith anyway. Anybody coming in here going "why do black people think ____?" had better loving cite some reading they did on their own first. This is not a goddamn helpdesk.
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"Some hubbub." gently caress you.
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Roylicious posted:I looked up the talk given by Mr. Yeshitela that was mentioned. At first I thought "wow an hour and a half screw that" but it was pretty interesting. On the topic of sharing awesome black leaders who are preaching unity, here's Khalid Kamau, activist of both Black Lives Matter Atlanta and Democratic Socialists of America, running for city council http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/40005-socialist-organizer-and-black-lives-matter-activist-runs-for-office-in-fulton-georgia I understand that a large part of worries among black posters ITT has been that black leaders of both fiscal and social activism are being ignored or assaulted, and that one fears that the new leftist movement is ignoring or even hostile to black american and socially leftist politics, as well as general D&D fears that Sanders & volunteers are only in this for Sanders, so these parts stood out to me: Khalid Kamau posted:
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Hey guys did u know my black friend voted for Trump and So you trip when someone says something you don't like and when shown a video that doesn't fit your narrative you do this? After you just got mad about Mordin being dismissive of black people's opinions? I'm not white.
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Roylicious posted:So you trip when someone says something you don't like and when shown a video that doesn't fit your narrative you do this? After you just got mad about Mordin being dismissive of black people's opinions? This is the same line of thinking applied to scientific consensus and climate change to get people to question the actionable quality of information we have regarding not loving up the planet. 1: Scientists say this, we should act on it 2: Well not all scientists, you don't speak for all scientists 1: OK, the majority of scientists to a degree that we can call it consensus 2: Here's a video of a scientist disagreeing with you 1: Oh for gently caress's sake
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signalnoise posted:This is the same line of thinking applied to scientific consensus and climate change to get people to question the actionable quality of information we have regarding not loving up the planet. "Teach the controversy!" It's 'funny' how one piece of contrary evidence is given so much weight compared to everything else.
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Also along the lines of cool black leaders championing cool issues related to fiscal and social justice, here's a pretty good podcast Keith Ellison released recently about the housing crisis; apparently he plans on doing these more often. https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/wethepodcast/episodes/2016-08-08T08_59_57-07_00
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is not a "hey negroes answer the poo poo I'm too lazy to google" thread. We literally just talked about this, and it's a complex issue that your dismissive attitude and ignorance wouldn't engage with in good faith anyway. Is it at all possible I asked the thread because I was interested in your views? I'm not american, of course i'm loving ignorant of your society. ah well
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lollontee posted:Is it at all possible I asked the thread because I was interested in your views? I'm not american, of course i'm loving ignorant of your society. ah well The way you phrased the question looked super dismissive, especially in light of the conversation that had just occurred, like, 3 pages ago.
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Morby posted:The way you phrased the question looked super dismissive, especially in light of the conversation that had just occurred, like, 3 pages ago. I have no idea why you would think that, but I'll take your word for it then. I didn't know about the conversation because this isn't exactly a forum I read much.
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lollontee posted:Is it at all possible I asked the thread because I was interested in your views? I'm not american, of course i'm loving ignorant of your society. ah well like being interested is one thing, but the way you phrased it was like coming in here and going "hey black hivemind monolith, please teach me and explain to me things, things I will deem as being stupid by my very use of the word hubbub" like here's a thought, maybe you should lurk more? like gently caress, dude, the people in here are loving people too, respect that, jesus
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whoah, didn't realise my posting was that offensive. I think I'll just go. Cheers!
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lollontee posted:whoah, didn't realise my posting was that offensive. I think I'll just go. Cheers! What you and many others seem to miss is that TGRS requires good faith shown to participate. Actually you probably don't miss it, you've been probationed through TGRS many times before. As such the burden of good faith is wayyyy height for yourself.
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lollontee posted:whoah, didn't realise my posting was that offensive. I think I'll just go. Cheers! This thread is a conversation and you literally dropped in here with the assumption that it was "Ask A Black Person".
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lollontee posted:whoah, didn't realise my posting was that offensive. I think I'll just go. Cheers! And don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya 
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