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Just a quick update on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes: The Metascore has dropped down to 53, with a user score of 7.0 out of 10. Rotten Tomatoes has dropped to 41% with an audience score of 65%. Overall, more meh than okay apparently.
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Junior Jr. posted:Just a quick update on Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes: I want to claim that the reason for a severe drop among critics from Thursday's score to Friday's low score is likely because the more professional critics probably had at least some prior experience with the two Oshii films. But yeah, that audience score is proof that the word of mouth isn't going to carry it.
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Apr 1, 2017 03:09
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So to recap the whitewashing controversy, now that the movie is out: - Film began pre-production in an environment where whitewashing in Hollywood (including Paramount) has already been scrutinized. Nonetheless, they pursued Margot Robbie before casting Scarlett Johansson. - As expected, people took issue with the choice of Scarlett Johansson as the lead role, well before a single frame of the film was shot, but those concerns fell on deaf ears. Constance Wu and Ming-Na weighed in on the controversy, saying they were opposed to yet another whitewashed film. - It was reported that the studio, after catching some wind of the controversy, considered using CGI (not unlike the technology used in Benjamin Button) to make Scarlett Johansson "look" asian, as if it's somehow supposed to make the casting choice less worse. What's of particular interest is that this was the first report that recognized that the character ScarJo was playing could have been Asian. And how this would have been a tone-deaf use of CGI yellowface in the literal, not metaphorical, sense. Paramount disputed the reports, though Paramount has a record of flat out lying about whitewashing in previous films. Screencrush stuck to their story, sticking with their anonymous source. - Film is released. Despite being an adaptation of property that was not adapted to live action before, the film didn't even try muddying the waters with the character's origin and ethnicity. (The film could have tried to pretend that the character was never Asian to begin with.) Instead, it's revealed that ScarJo's character is literally an Asian woman's brain planted in ScarJo's robotic body. - The film and Scarlett Johansson's performance received mixed reception from critics and audiences. Echo Chamber fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 03:44
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Mithaldu posted:Being calm and soothing makes perfect sense, but the content of the lines converts it from her talking to Mira to talking to the audience, making it clear to anyone with half a brain this is what the title means. You are using cynicism as a substitute for literacy. Actual interpretation would involve noting, for example, that the doctor character uses the words "mind", "ghost", and "spirit" interchangeably - which is incorrect. This, along with the poor bedside manner, is characterization for the doctor. The Mira character, on the other hand, understands a difference between these words and specifically reacts to the word "ghost" - i.e. to the implication that she is dead and not a person anymore. You presumably have more than half a brain, so the message you perceived is not for you. Be confident. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 04:02
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This movie is sub-Daredevil
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Apr 1, 2017 05:00
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Bugblatter posted:While I'm engaging in defenses against some of the less sensical arguments, regarding why they can't use volunteers: [spoiler]It's because of what Hanka is doing with the minds after a successful surgery. Erasing all memories and implanting false ones so that the subject can be easily controlled as a soldier is explicitly illegal within the movie's world, even if they could find volunteers. So, Hanka looks for people whose deaths can be reported with little inquiry or concern from the larger public, like homeless anti-government runaways in a police scuffle.[/spoilers] It's still rank movie villian stupidity because they could just say "we saved your life but you may have some memory loss" and the volunteer/terminally ill patient wouldn't know any better. No need for abducting anyone or faking deaths involved.
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Apr 1, 2017 05:15
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I just saw this movie. It touched upon so many aspects of the original movie and the SAC series with poo-stained fingers. This movie is poo 
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Apr 1, 2017 05:18
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I'd like to know the perspective on people who liked the action in this film, im not saying you're wrong for enjoying it. I personally found action scenes to be really unfulfilling. But did I miss something? I kinda figured going in that this movie would just go for cyberpunk John Wick but- I'm confused when I read people calling this one less boring than the original for its action. When many of the major action scenes are just pulled back versions from the original frank.club fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 05:23
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frank.club posted:This movie is sub-Daredevil Woah, let's not say things we can't take back. frank.club posted:I'd like to know the perspective on people who liked the action in this film, im not saying you're wrong for enjoying it. I personally found action scenes to be really unfulfilling. But did I miss something? I kinda figured going in that this movie would just go for cyberpunk John Wick but- It was weird to see the trailers with all the hyper-stylised action. The moment for that seemed to have passed in about 2003 or 4.
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Apr 1, 2017 05:25
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I thought the geishas looked cool. And I even kinda liked the thermoptic suit. But when her body took on damage it looked really bad. I don't think the world of the city was designed very well, I could've sworn one of the trailers looked way better. I really removed myself from the original, which I love, to judge this movie on its own. Even when it threw in callbacks to the older series. A lot of things in this movie seem to happen just because it's aware it's a movie- and things just occur on their own. The other members of section 9 who weren't the Chief or Batau got like 4 lines collectively.
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Apr 1, 2017 05:35
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I didn't think the movie was that bad. Section 9 should have gotten more screen time and the garishness of the city was annoying (but that was the point?)
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Apr 1, 2017 05:40
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Well, I caught a giant Heineken bottle onscreen at one point. That looked pretty good The city scape was bad for me as it was dull and ugly. I'm recalling watching the movie and not really believing this was a city rather than a video game tech render. It had that BvS grey tone to it. Maybe I'm biased toward the neons of other movies that do this cyber punk aesthetic. When there were scenes out in the city I never believed I was looking at an open space rather than a green screen sound stage. Like the call back chase and water beat down after the hacked garbage guys flip the car. There weren't a lot of people, it just seemed to want to pull of the homage and call it a day. frank.club fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 05:43
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frank.club posted:I personally found action scenes to be really unfulfilling. The sniper rifles did't explode heads! This is a lovely vision of the future.
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Apr 1, 2017 05:47
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Tenzarin posted:The sniper rifles did't explode heads! This is a lovely vision of the future. No? That's not what I'm saying. While most of, if arguably all but one, were filmed coherently- you could always tell where the actors where in relation to the people being shot- there wasn't a lot of life to it. People's heads don't get exploded in John Wick (too fiercely) but the choreography and pacing of the fights in the first movie are great. Here they're lifeless, the action scenes happen because they need to. This is part of the reason why I'm confused as to why people are saying this movie has better action over the original. It does have more. I can only think of three off the top of my head and versions of all of those appear in this film. But the animated versions of all those fights have a real dedication to capturing the visceral detail of the scenes. Like quality over quantity. When they're redone in this film each iteration contains less focus. And the action scenes that pad the runtime between those pieces aren't inspiring. They shoot a few guys and that's it. frank.club fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 05:53
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I'd like to round my argument off in that I get the feeling there was a lot of this movie left on the cutting room floor by bringing it back to the city. In a lot of cyberpunk properties the cities they take place in are characters in themselves. Which isn't unique to ghost in the shell og. Films like Blade Runner, both Metropolis movies, Akira or games like Shadowrun really focus on building a city to be a part of the story. And it makes sense because usually there is a society that is either segregated or interconnect to extremes by their technology. Cutting to the point, there's a scene at the end where Bad Guy talks about the Major heading into the "lawless lands". He says it without explaining it or any build up, like maybe when the actor gave the line he was under the directorial impression that the "lawless lands" would already have been established to the viewer. I think that more aspects of the city, with potentially other details like fleshing out the members of the Section, were cut. It is reaching, but it struck me as really odd when he said that line.
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Apr 1, 2017 06:08
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I liked this movie! Scarlett Johansson basically plays as Scarlett Johansson in this movie. But either way as a fan of one of the first ever anime I ever watched as a kid on the international channel. To me it lives up! Was way better than Lucy. That's for sure.
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Apr 1, 2017 06:08
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I don't understand how they can take so much source material from all the different gits shows and they choose not to copy how they have sniper rifles that can explode heads. They copy the same scene and only change that part. frank.club posted:People's heads don't get exploded in John Wick (too fiercely) but the choreography and pacing of the fights in the first movie are great. People's heads don't explode in John Wick because it is not a Sci-fi movie "based" on gits. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 06:11
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Well, GITS2017 had to have a pg13 rating to sell. Maybe exploding robots is a step to far? I didn't even notice the free 'gently caress' in the movie. Traded it in for just naked enough ScarJo I'd imagine
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Apr 1, 2017 06:22
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frank.club posted:Well, GITS2017 had to have a pg13 rating to sell. Maybe exploding robots is a step to far? Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith has a PG-13 rating, and they have Anakin Skywalker cut off Count Dooku's hands and head in the first 30 minutes. They show Refugees get Space Station 13'd into robots but they cant show a robot head explode?
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Apr 1, 2017 06:25
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Tenzarin posted:Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith has a PG-13 rating, and they have Anakin Skywalker cut off Count Dooku's hands and head in the first 30 minutes. He murders kids, a lot of them, and there's no child murder in this movie. Maybe it has something to do with effort. Which is weird, there's some cool practical effects in this movie. Like the Geishas.
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Apr 1, 2017 06:29
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Corek posted:Doesn't Masamune Shirow draw straight-up porn now He has since the early 90s. IIRC though in the mid 90s a natural disaster destroyed all of his work and that was when he started doing more bizarre porn almost exclusively to continue making a living.
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Apr 1, 2017 06:30
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Neo Rasa posted:He has since the early 90s. IIRC though in the mid 90s a natural disaster destroyed all of his work and that was when he started doing more bizarre porn almost exclusively to continue making a living. You might find some surprising things in the first volumes of the Ghost in the Shell manga the original movie is based off of...
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Apr 1, 2017 06:33
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frank.club posted:Well, GITS2017 had to have a pg13 rating to sell. Maybe exploding robots is a step to far? I don't think this is why just because of the vast number of PG-13 movies where humanoid robots get busted up/exploded/cut apart/whatever.
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Neo Rasa posted:I don't think this is why just because of the vast number of PG-13 movies where humanoid robots get busted up/exploded/cut apart/whatever. Ala Samurai Jack. I guess within this movie the "puppet master" is closer to a person? And they didn't want to risk it with the rating board
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frank.club posted:Ala Samurai Jack. I guess within this movie the "puppet master" is closer to a person? And they didn't want to risk it with the rating board It is kind of weird though. I mean even the last two Terminator movies were PG-13 and you had plenty of instances of main character/big actor robots getting graphically destroyed. frank.club posted:You might find some surprising things in the first volumes of the Ghost in the Shell manga the original movie is based off of... I definitely would not because I read every Ghost in the Shell manga unedited as they came out and none of it compares to some of the absolute poo poo he started doing after the last one ended in 96-ish. I mean like literal child porn, monster people, animals, like the guy went all in. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 06:42
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There's only one really graphic scene that lead to the greatest answer in history "I made it an all female three way because I didn't want to draw a dudes butt". But I'll tell you something else, that manga isn't that great
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Apr 1, 2017 06:50
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Neo Rasa posted:I definitely would not because I read every Ghost in the Shell manga unedited as they came out and none of it compares to some of the absolute poo poo he started doing after the last one ended in 96-ish. I mean like literal child porn, monster people, animals, like the guy went all in. No offense, but I do think you're overexaggerating this, especially the child porn bit. The monster stuff was apparently him working out his phobia of the male anatomy, his more recent stuff is more gangbangs with dark-skinned individuals (not necessarily black dudes, but that does happen, I believe it's more a contrast thing more than anything). I've joked that he's gotten over his fear of drawing man butt by digitally rendering it. I know someone is going to bring up Pandora In The Crimson Shell as the wrong type of CP based off that cover, which he only had a hand in it's concept. The finished product tends to be pretty bog standard manga and now anime without his drawing hand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4W2Cu0y4qE On a unrelated note, I did go through some of his hardcore stuff last night for costume design options since, despite his descent into pervy porn, Shirow is still the type of dude who has to meticulously detail out every facet of the world, except now it's loving instead of guns or knives or power armor. The one thing I noticed is that his characters have gotten a bit wider in the hips, especially in his post 2011 works. It's actually hilarious that porn is making Shirow's women more like real women, although not much.
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Apr 1, 2017 07:11
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an skeleton posted:Please confirm to me that I should see this film in IMAX 3D. Typically I veer away from those, but this seems like it could be an exception I thought it was worth it. The first 3D movie I've seen in years that I thought benefited from being in 3D. Of course it's more effective when you got holograms and poo poo everywhere. Anyway, here's Mark Kermode's review and generally I agree with him - set my expectations low and it was better than it could have been, was visually striking but otherwise pretty shallow compared to the first movie which is all I'm familiar with (and which I felt was kinda slow the two times I watched it). The whitewashing was handled about as well as it could have been I guess? Besides casting an Asian American actor I mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Pw9J6qtzM Young Freud posted:No offense, but I do think you're overexaggerating this, especially the child porn bit. The monster stuff was apparently him working out his phobia of the male anatomy, his more recent stuff is more gangbangs with dark-skinned individuals (not necessarily black dudes, but that does happen, I believe it's more a contrast thing more than anything). I've joked that he's gotten over his fear of drawing man butt by digitally rendering it. 
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Apr 1, 2017 08:22
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In this thread we go super in depth with the weird porn we watch.
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Apr 1, 2017 08:34
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Sounds to me they made ScarJo star in the wrong manga adaptation.
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Apr 1, 2017 08:45
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Bugblatter posted:In this thread we go super in depth with the weird porn we watch. It's not my fault Shirow believes that Cyril Brooklyn and Juliana Trans (!) need the same attention and world building as Deunan Knute and Motoko Kusanagi.
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Apr 1, 2017 08:59
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Saw the movie tonight, it was fun and good. Really liked how they handled Batou. He's consistently been one of my favorite characters in the franchise, definitely above the Major herself. They captured a lot of the various characterizations in other GitS works, his snark with the Major, the melancholy he has in the world as a killer who doesn't know anything better to do with himself, the respect he has for the Major, and even a very short display of his camaraderie with other S9 members. Pilou Asbæk loving nailed it, and its a shame he won't get the credit he deserves for his work here. I really, really liked how they handled the Eyes bit. - (this bit is about the major) I liked ScarJo as the Major. She nailed the inhumanity of the Major's physical form, while also having something of an emotional arc that didn't render her completely useless at times like so much of GitS Arise went out of its way to do. In GitS95, the Major was emotionless because we're supposed to be conveyed that she has a serious disconnect with humanity. It also made her dull as hell, the absurd competence of the SAC version of the Major without ANY of the interesting characterization it came with. A dull, fanfiction badass written by someone who thought the Manga wasn't Gritty, Grim or Introspective enough. SAC Major was hyper competent to the point where there was practically no dramatic tension around her for 99.9 percent of the show. Even at the climax of Season 1, I didn't feel a hint of worry for her well being, because she was essentially on a different level from anything the story throws at her. I just knew she's magic her way out of whatever, every time, and was right of course. At least she had a personality, and GASP a personal history that made her someone I could still empathize with and be invested in their action, regardless of the lack of tension. Arise was basically "The Major Loses A Limb Every Episode: The Series", on top of being seriously all over the place in terms of her portrayal even between episodes. They avoided these issues with the Major in GitS2017, and I think the movie was better for it. She's competent, but not flawless. She's a hardass, but still a person dealing with some intensely disturbing personal realities. In one sense, it's a shame that they couldn't/wouldn't pick an asian-american actress for the Major. I don't know if it would make the film better or worse, but it'd have been nice. On her own merits, ScarJo handled the role she was given very well. - Even though the rest of S9 was little more than cameos most of the time, I did like the way they were portrayed. Togusa LOOKED like Togusa should, I'd watch a buddy cop movie of Batou and Togusa solving cybercrimes with these actors, with Aramaki being the increasingly disgruntled chief yelling at them for their inevitable screw ups. Aramaki was amazing. He's always been portrayed as being mostly hands off, so it was a fresh use of another character I've always liked. The plot was pretty simple to follow, which was fine with me. Pretty generic stuff, but competent. I'm glad they decided to go their own way with the movie, rather than trying to slavishly follow the exact same storybeats in the exact same order as the 95 film or its sequel. If I wanted to see 95 or it's impressively meh sequel again, I can do so any time. Overall, the director and their crew clearly showed a lot of actual interest in the original material, which was a pleasant surprise to me. It wasn't just the recreated camera shots, or even direct choreography references. GitS2017 feels a lot like a film made by someone who started off with some other piece of media in the GitS franchise, and they enjoyed it so much that they hunted down everything else they could find in the franchise. And THEN they started work on the film while they were still riding high off how much they like Ghost In The Shell anything. They didn't nail absolutely everything they set out to do, but it was fun to watch, and I want to believe there was a lot of fun during production. The biggest changes I would make would be taking out silly crap like "TARGET LOCKED" and "TARGET DESTROYED" at the end of the film. Or the antagonists "INITIATE THE HACK" line. Totally not necessary vocalizations of things we can see (and be deceived) about. I get why writers do these sorts of things, I just dislike when they do it. I'll be happy to add this to the collection of GitS media I have. In a franchise that is more or less built from repeated re-imaginings of a manga from 1989, it's another re-imagining to add to the pile.
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Apr 1, 2017 09:07
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I don't really listen to Kermode regularly, but I watched the review linked a few posts up, and he pretty much nails it IMO.
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Apr 1, 2017 09:56
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:specifically reacts to the word "ghost" - i.e. to the implication that she is dead and not a person anymore.  "it was better than it could've been"
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Apr 1, 2017 11:45
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Was there anything before the "making of a cyborg" intro sequence? We got there late and missed the beginning of that part.
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Apr 1, 2017 13:15
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Checked the time on my phone 4 times, never a good sign, film was gorgeous but bored me senseless. Oh well.
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Elman posted:Was there anything before the "making of a cyborg" intro sequence? We got there late and missed the beginning of that part. A text intro, mostly from the GitS95 plus a bit of info about Hanka's android project, and a brief bit of Hanka medics rolling a gurney down a hall talking about preparing a the cerebral salvage.
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Set: 5/5 Direction: 3/5 Script: 1.5/5 Some random thoughts: * As an old school GITS fan, I have no problem with the origin story approach. They just hosed up the script * The "emotional" scene in the HK apartment is directed and wriiten terribly * Costumes and sets are great. The overhead shots are too repetitive * The gun plays feel no weight and perfunctory * They tone the sexy way down and my penis didn't move once. Scarjo looks slightly chunky in her invisible yoga suit. * In the end she said (I am pretty sure) "My name is Major, I authorize it." without saying her name. That really bothered me. * Where are my loving school girl sounding Tachikoma? You had one job Paramount!
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whatever7 posted:Set: 5/5 Now the low RT scores make sense
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Box Office Mojo is reporting a 7.66 million dollar Friday. It got third place, after Boss Baby and Beauty And The Beast.
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