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Oh we got to the "Satanic Rituals" portion of today's dose of conspiracy theories. Cool.
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dwarf74 posted:Oh we got to the "Satanic Rituals" portion of today's dose of conspiracy theories. Cool. If you aren't hailing Satan smh
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Mar 31, 2017 18:11
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Shbobdb posted:This is basically correct, except why would you assume these institutions don't similarly exist in the US? There are fewer of them because blue blooded boarding schools play a smaller role in US culture but they still exist. Skull and Bones films initiates getting rear end hosed and peed on. Bohemian Grove is the "queerest thing" according to Nixon. It's everywhere. Any such rings in the US operate differently. The particular boarding school abuse thing is rather particular to the British boarding school society, American boarding schools for the children of the rich don't have the same sort of "traditions" of abuse by older boys and the teachers. This is not to say that there's no horrible teachers abusing the kids in the US of course, just that they don't seem to have the older kids roped into doing it to - and we'd know if they were, Brtisih people who went to those schools talk about the stuff fairly often. Keep in mind that the most important factor is not driving people to become pedophiles/child molestors, but rather it resulting in people who are willing to not speak up about active pedophilia and abuse around them. Someone who's abusing kids can get away with it a lot longer if everyone who finds out writes it off as "normal", "no big deal, he's a good guy", "oh it happened to me and I turned out fine" etc. So you have all these people who are also in authority and would be in position to stop abuse, instead treating it as just fine and not bothering to step in unless there's straight up murder involved.
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Mar 31, 2017 18:34
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Shbobdb posted:If these people want child sex why wouldn't they stay in positions where they can have access to it? Why go into politics or industry when you could become a teacher or a priest. I agree that true pedophiles are drawn to certain positions because it gives them access to children. That makes sense. What doesn't make sense are all the conservative businessmen and politicians who keep loving children in satanic rituals. It seems like the kid loving isn't the goal in those scenarios. Because people aren't completely defined by their sexual preferences. I like sex with adults but I'm not limiting my employment prospects to environments where I can be around naked people.
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Mar 31, 2017 19:20
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Helen Highwater posted:Because people aren't completely defined by their sexual preferences. I like sex with adults but I'm not limiting my employment prospects to environments where I can be around naked people. Well you hosed up son
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Mar 31, 2017 19:31
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Note how pizza gators aren't actually interested in Epstein's Lolita Express, which has far more concrete and circumstantial evidence and has real links to our sitting president. Also note the need for some kind of "magical" explanation for something that should on its face be bad enough. It's not just that they're diddling kids, blood sugar crazy sex Magick has to be involved. This should throw up red flags and allow you to know you're not dealing with someone who is fully in charge of their mental faculties. I mean, rape is about power, it's easier to overpower children, and we're usually dealing with a group of wealthy individuals who are already held to different standards by the law. The magic poo poo just makes me think of straight up Blood Libel, a way to demonize another group. And again, these satanic allegations aren't being levelled at the Lolita Express or Thatcher's former government or whatever, the ones that are based in fact, and instead looking for secret basements that don't exist based on madeup code trying to decipher E-mail about Goddamned pizza. What I'm saying is Pizza Gators are sick in the head, don't actually care about pedophilia or pedophiles and why they do what they do, and are basically using 1980's style satanic panic conspiracies to discredit a group they don't like.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:02
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I mean, the dumb pro-Trump pizzagaters don't care about the Lolita Express. But when I start talking about how Trump is obviously up to his eyeballs in Project Monarch people call me crazy. You take the wins you can get.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:07
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Mecha Gojira posted:What I'm saying is Pizza Gators are sick in the head, don't actually care about pedophilia or pedophiles and why they do what they do, and are basically using 1980's style satanic panic conspiracies to discredit a group they don't like. it's also the ultimate in slacktivism, you get super fired up over something that matters a whole lot (kids being assaulted) and you get to feel morally superior that nobody cares as much as you do about kids being assaulted but at the end of the day you never have to leave your posting station
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Mar 31, 2017 20:15
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QuarkJets posted:Only if you accept the flimsiest possible "a wall full of thumbtacks has to mean SOMETHING" kind of evidence; pedophilia rings exist and are terrible but "pop up everywhere in the ultra elite world" is where you firmly leave behind the land of evidence I mean, I live in the UK so I find the alternative actually less credible.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:20
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Shbobdb posted:I mean, the dumb pro-Trump pizzagaters don't care about the Lolita Express. But when I start talking about how Trump is obviously up to his eyeballs in Project Monarch people call me crazy. But if MKULTRA, why does it appear he's a Putin (former KGB) stooge and not CIA stooge?
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Mar 31, 2017 20:22
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boner confessor posted:it's also the ultimate in slacktivism, you get super fired up over something that matters a whole lot (kids being assaulted) and you get to feel morally superior that nobody cares as much as you do about kids being assaulted but at the end of the day you never have to leave your posting station I mean, not only is actual (dis)proof right there, but if they're actually sincere in this string of crazy beliefs, they could be rescuing kids! But of course, they're also convinced the guy who shot up the place was actually an actor, so....
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Mar 31, 2017 20:29
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MKULTRA techniques moved onto mass media via the capitalist class a long time ago. It's "Brave New World" not "1984". Trump aping sex magic is pretty much the most Trump thing possible. He forgets the point of the ritual so all he's doing is loving kids. So close, yet so far.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:29
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boner confessor posted:it's also the ultimate in slacktivism, you get super fired up over something that matters a whole lot (kids being assaulted) and you get to feel morally superior that nobody cares as much as you do about kids being assaulted but at the end of the day you never have to leave your posting station Edgar Maddison Welch was many things but I wouldn't call him a slacktivist.
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Mar 31, 2017 20:31
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795 This is code for "Eventually I succumbed to the same logical fallacies as other conspiracy theorists"
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Mar 31, 2017 22:42
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Lightning Lord posted:So where does the whole "CHEESE PIZZA!? No one likes that! Must be using our lingo for child porn/prostitutes!" tangent I've seen mentioned come from? Well, in the emails they talk a few times about getting some pizza to eat. Luckily investigators were on hand to realise that they were just shortening the code. It must get mighty confusing, and embarrassing when you turn up in your full Baphomet worshipping costume, dick out and ready and it turns out everyone is literally just eating a pizza
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Mar 31, 2017 22:55
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QuarkJets posted:This is code for "Eventually I succumbed to the same logical fallacies as other conspiracy theorists" It was not unlike anything you've ever seen/to be drowning in honey, awake in a dream
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Mar 31, 2017 23:08
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Illuminti posted:Well, in the emails they talk a few times about getting some pizza to eat. Luckily investigators were on hand to realise that they were just shortening the code. It must get mighty confusing, and embarrassing when you turn up in your full Baphomet worshipping costume, dick out and ready and it turns out everyone is literally just eating a pizza I can testify that it really, really does. 
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Apr 1, 2017 02:27
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Shbobdb posted:As has been pointed out, pedophilia rings are real and seem to pop up everywhere Even in the STAR WARS EXPANDED UNIVERSE CANON? Isard and Tarkin all swapping teen boy stories while chowing down on space pizza? smoke sumthin bitch posted:most of you deniers havent even researched pizza gate one bit i did but when I put the pieces together a bunch of fart and clown car noises came out
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Apr 1, 2017 03:07
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I'm assuming Cushing was involved in some man boy action, as per the rules of English gentry.
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Apr 1, 2017 03:28
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"Obviously you just haven't research this topic as well as I have" is like the classic conspiracy theorist's defense. It's a magic spell that proves you were right all along and also retroactively justifies spending inordinate amounts of time making the most insanely bad and illogical arguments imaginable It's also easier to claim that everyone else is simply blind/wrong than to face up to the possibility that maybe some of your assumptions/premises are maybe a teensy bit flawed. I've had guys tell me JUST READ THIS ONE COMMENTS SECTION AND YOU'LL FINALLY UNDERSTAND. In their head, the problem isn't that you've rejected their arguments for being illogical, inconsistent, etc; they already know that they're right so obviously none of that makes any sense. The problem is that you just haven't been exposed to the right combination of words to get you seeing things the same way they see things
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Apr 1, 2017 08:45
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That objection only works when you encounter a fanatic who is gish galloping. Smoke is providing a coherent argument with sources. He, rightfully, points out that you haven't researched the topic well. He's also providing the information for you to read. Which you are refusing to do because it is "crazy". Do you see how the conditioning works? "Elite pedophile rings are insane!" *posts evidence of multiple elite pedophile rings* "That's just in England!" *references American pedophile rings* "There is no way what you are saying is true, you are obviously insane and I won't read your sources!" The truth hurts man.
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Apr 1, 2017 09:19
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Shbobdb posted:That objection only works when you encounter a fanatic who is gish galloping. Smoke is providing a coherent argument with sources. Actually, he's wrong. And that's part of my point; he's relying on the assumption that his opponent is just ignorant of the facts, it has never occurred to him that maybe his opponent is well-informed and has rejected his premise for other reasons
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Apr 1, 2017 09:31
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So reject them rather than calling him crazy. He's provided evidence. Your response is to say that you too have evidence that you won't provide and that his evidence is bad for reasons you won't clarify. Instead it's the same boring "How dare you say I don't know what I'm talking about, I know what I'm talking about!" That's, like, Middle School level rhetoric man.
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Apr 1, 2017 10:40
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The whole Pizzagate thing drives me nuts, because I'm a huge conspiracy nerd and I'm totally on board for it, but.... Here's the thing: there was absolutely a huge and horrible elite pedophile ring in England that I doubt has completely been uprooted yet. The Lolita Express? Undeniable and creepy as hell, although as far as I know we still don't know much about his co-conspirators outside of some pretty wild and unconfirmed allegations (some of which ironically point at the guy most Pizzagaters love most). For something relevant to the thread, there was even some pretty horrendous poo poo back in the United States back in the '80s with the Franklin, Nebraska cover-up. All that said, I have yet to see anything even remotely approaching actual evidence with regards to Pizzagate that isn't cartoonishly circumstantial. Like, I've seen better loving evidence for Big Foot. Is the best you can do really "John Podesta likes weird art and looks a little bit like the police sketch of someone who abducted a kid in a different country?" I mean, is there even a source for the cheese pizza thing that doesn't go directly back to 4chan? I think one of the reasons people struggle with conspiracy theories on either side is that they tend to involve subjects that, almost by definition, require uncertainty and ambiguity, which makes people uncomfortable so they try to resolve it by picking one side or the other. But possible is not the same thing as probable, but "might be" is not the same as "definitely is."
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Apr 1, 2017 10:48
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Shbobdb posted:So reject them rather than calling him crazy. You haven't characterized things accurately at all. Sorry, I'm not going to take bait from your dumb gimmick posts
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Apr 1, 2017 11:00
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vseslav.botkin posted:The whole Pizzagate thing drives me nuts, because I'm a huge conspiracy nerd and I'm totally on board for it, but.... If Pizzagate was just people accusing John Podesta of possibly being a pedophile, I think it would be a lot more plausible. It's the kind of thing that major conservative media could have run with; just plausible enough to be real and defames a big Democrat name, so why not run with it. But then a bunch of leaps in logic were made and it became "THE CLINTONS ARE INVOLVED IN A SATANIC CHILD SEX RING BEING OPERATED IN THE BASEMENT OF THIS PIZZA SHOP, OH poo poo LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OF A KILL ROOM" + some other outright incorrect statements and assumptions were made and suddenly only the dumbest media sources were willing to take the story seriously
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Apr 1, 2017 11:15
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Shbobdb posted:I'm assuming Cushing was involved in some man boy action, as per the rules of English gentry. Peter Cushing was a Warham. So the chances of him having sex with anything were low. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEC7dsFlvIE
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Apr 1, 2017 11:22
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Helen Highwater posted:Peter Cushing was a Warham. So the chances of him having sex with anything were low. For every awesome thing Christopher Lee did, Cushing did a dork thing of equal and opposite intensity.
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Apr 1, 2017 12:24
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QuarkJets posted:If Pizzagate was just people accusing John Podesta of possibly being a pedophile, I think it would be a lot more plausible. It's the kind of thing that major conservative media could have run with; just plausible enough to be real and defames a big Democrat name, so why not run with it. The other thing is, where are all these kids supposedly coming from? It would be one thing if he were selling drugs or something, but children are not a consumable resource. People notice they're gone. There are missing kid reports from the 90s whose names I still remember just because they were such exceptional tabloid TV fodder. And this isn't medieval France or wherever Gilles de Rais was operating, where there were nameless urchins to be picked off the street. In the United States, in Washington D.C.... more than like 2-3 kids going missing in the space of even a couple of years would be treated as an epidemic and make national news headlines. That Nebraska thing involved orphanages and flying across country I guess, but was it even real? Sure doesn't seem to be substantiated to any real degree. This is all just because Podesta sounds sort of like Pederast, isn't it?
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Apr 1, 2017 12:41
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Smudgie Buggler posted:Is this even really "conspiracy-theorist" territory? Does anybody who knows what the Warren Commission was seriously believe that Oswald acted alone? I mean, sure, to theorise otherwise is to theorise a conspiracy of sorts, but it's hardly the same thing as thinking there are aliens in Area 51. I thought every educated person took it pretty much as fact that JFK was killed by some sort of monied or political interest, most likely either Texan politicians or some rogue element of the CIA. this is a million pages ago but the most frustrating thing about the kennedy assassination is the warren commission got it right all those years ago. it doesn't matter how many people believe something or how educated they are - they're still wrong if what they believe has no basis in reality. though i too believed in some type of conspiracy theory for years because, like you said, it seems to just be accepted by the public as "what happened". the problem is all of the evidence points to lee harvey oswald acting alone for his own reasons. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 13:51
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Gonna interject here and remind everyone that the Franklin Boys Town poo poo was all allegations that are nebulously linked to the Jonny Gosch case and there is absolutely nothing to actually back it up, since homeboy dropped that cover-up like it was a given that poo poo happened
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Apr 1, 2017 14:08
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Yeah, the real psychosis here isn't, "Wow, people with power do hosed up things with it," i.e. loving kids or whatever. Like, yes, this happens, and it is hosed up. But there are actual, real institutional, structural issues at play there. The problem here is the interjection of classic conspiracy theory tropes like hidden basements and Satanic Rituals, and - in Shbobdb's case - actual belief in sex magic as a thing. And I mean in the sense that I'm pretty sure he thinks Orgone Energy is a real thing.
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Apr 1, 2017 15:08
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another thing that is very suspect is how the media handled the story. right when pizza gate came to light , there seemed to be a coordinated effort by the legacy corporate media to push the whole fake news narrative and to point fingers at russia and demonise them for supposedly hacking the DNC e-mails, instead of objectively reviewing the evidence. things like that just fuel the conspirational fire
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Apr 1, 2017 17:13
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Our evidence being laughable is only evidence that it's correct! 
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Apr 1, 2017 17:18
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:another thing that is very suspect is how the media handled the story. right when pizza gate came to light , there seemed to be a coordinated effort by the legacy corporate media to push the whole fake news narrative and to point fingers at russia and demonise them for supposedly hacking the DNC e-mails, instead of objectively reviewing the evidence. things like that just fuel the conspirational fire there was no evidence to review. lol "supposedly".
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Apr 1, 2017 17:20
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Groovelord Neato posted:there was no evidence to review. No no you see, the owner's last name sounds a little like someone saying "Kid lover" in French and that's clearly a sign that something is up!
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Apr 1, 2017 17:35
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its extraordinarily lazy to sputter and stammer about "b-b-b-but corporate media  " to explain the complete lack of evidence in whatever stupid nonsense your drug-rotted brain is tricked into agreeing with by internet anime racists
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Apr 1, 2017 18:15
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Jack Gladney posted:For every awesome thing Christopher Lee did, Cushing did a dork thing of equal and opposite intensity. I was about to say the same thing 
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Apr 1, 2017 19:04
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Mecha Gojira posted:Yeah, the real psychosis here isn't, "Wow, people with power do hosed up things with it," i.e. loving kids or whatever. Like, yes, this happens, and it is hosed up. But there are actual, real institutional, structural issues at play there. The problem here is the interjection of classic conspiracy theory tropes like hidden basements and Satanic Rituals, and - in Shbobdb's case - actual belief in sex magic as a thing. And I mean in the sense that I'm pretty sure he thinks Orgone Energy is a real thing. LOL. Not believing in sex magic in TYOOL 2017.
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Shbobdb posted:LOL. ace new av dude
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