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There's no reason to be surprised at GitS performing weakly. It's a movie targeting no demo. It's not pure enough for enthusiasts of the anime (which would have made them $5million if lucky) and it's not broad, approachable or novel to appeal to generic sci-fi fans. The marketing was also bland. I don't think casting a white woman in the role was necessarily a mistake, but casting Scarlett Johansen was. She strikes me as perpetually confused, not stoic and determined.
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DeimosRising posted:Was it about SMG or about Bostonians being assholes, cause you ARE an rear end in a top hat it's just in a loveable way How the gently caress dare you call me loveable
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Ammanas posted:There's no reason to be surprised at GitS performing weakly. It's a movie targeting no demo. It's not pure enough for enthusiasts of the anime (which would have made them $5million if lucky) and it's not broad, approachable or novel to appeal to generic sci-fi fans. The marketing was also bland.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Akira by luc besson Luc Besson already did that (Lucy) (seriously, it's much more of an Akira adaptation than Chronicle is)
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Apr 3, 2017 00:36
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Max Landis is a dumbfuck but Chronicle is a good movie.
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Deadline has a good piece analyzing GITS's collapse. It's probably not Johansson, given that Lucy did very very well. One rival marketing exec supposedly criticized the trailer, saying that it was flashy but gave you absolutely no idea what the story was about and whether Johansson was playing a good or bad guy. Also this is just me but where do they get off thinking Blade Runner-esque films make money? The original is called a cult hit for a good reason.
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Vegetable posted:Deadline has a good piece analyzing GITS's collapse. It's probably not Johansson, given that Lucy did very very well. One rival marketing exec supposedly criticized the trailer, saying that it was flashy but gave you absolutely no idea what the story was about and whether Johansson was playing a good or bad guy. That piece is savage. I never heard about Johansson being a Hollywood introvert. I thought there was at least junkets for this? Also, the "no early screenings" is a death knell, I didn't expect them to pull something like that, Paramount seemed to have some confidence in their film.
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I think part of it that, for months, their response to whitewashing criticism was just to keep going 'I don't see the problem' rather than acknowledging and putting out a statement saying something pleasant but meaningless like 'we wanted to reach the most people possibe' or something. Pretending it isn't there 2017 seems a tonedeaf approach. I'm not saying whitewashing killed its chances at the box office, but when that becomes the narrative, unacknowledged, for months, it means that potential viewers have ended up with a negative association with it.
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I think you're overstating the potential effect whitewashing controversies can have on general moviegoers. if i find some time and extra cash i might go see GITS but i've already seen the anime years and years ago and i dont feel like watching the movie again but different. The effect the anime loving whiners have is overstated too. The marketing campaign was really bad and the lack of screening/coherent advertising is causing it to crash and burn.
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basic hitler posted:I think you're overstating the potential effect whitewashing controversies can have on general moviegoers. This is largely why I haven't seen it yet. I don't give a poo poo if you're just making selected scenes but in real life at this point you need to do something new with the property. I put a modicum of effort into ARISE and that just left a bad taste in my mouth. It also that marketing campaign spoiled everything and left me unimpressed that I have little reason to see it.
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Apr 3, 2017 02:08
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It just proves forever that anime isn't popular or marketable
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basic hitler posted:I think you're overstating the potential effect whitewashing controversies can have on general moviegoers. As a counterpoint, is there a film that had a whitewashing controversy that did really well? Off the top of my head, every one I can think of was a flop. Last Airbender, Gods of Egypt (though that was hardly the only issue) Prince of Persia and Exodus all did really poorly. You can say it didn't hurt it, I would argue that it sure as poo poo doesn't help.
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Snowman_McK posted:As a counterpoint, is there a film that had a whitewashing controversy that did really well? Off the top of my head, every one I can think of was a flop. Last Airbender, Gods of Egypt (though that was hardly the only issue) Prince of Persia and Exodus all did really poorly. Argo
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There you go. The irony is that it appears to be easier to whitewash reality.
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Snowman_McK posted:As a counterpoint, is there a film that had a whitewashing controversy that did really well? Off the top of my head, every one I can think of was a flop. Last Airbender, Gods of Egypt (though that was hardly the only issue) Prince of Persia and Exodus all did really poorly. Yeah, but three of those were people getting mad that white people were playing white people.
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FishBulb posted:It just proves forever that anime isn't popular or marketable This is what execs will take away. That recent akira rumor will probably be dead by tomorrow morning. I've never seen the gits anime and the trailer looked decent but reviews were mediocre for it so I'll just see it if I'm bored and already by the mall.  guess thats what everyone else thought too
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Byzantine posted:Yeah, but three of those were people getting mad that white people were playing white people. I'm really curious about which three you're referring to.
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Snowman_McK posted:I'm really curious about which three you're referring to. Well you see the people in historical Iran were called "Aryans"... 
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Snowman_McK posted:I'm really curious about which three you're referring to. It's a big white supremacist thing that Egyptians and Persians were white, which assumes that middle eastern people mudt of all come from Arabs or something.
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Apr 3, 2017 02:57
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Snowman_McK posted:There you go. The irony is that it appears to be easier to whitewash reality. Well, yes and no. For instance, you can take any cartoon - American or not - and nobody gives a poo poo about whitewashing in voice talent, unless there's stereotyping. The lesson is that, in reality, the US is a white supremacist, settler colonial, globalist oligarchy; but the crossover between social justice activism and fan/meme culture has convoluted this fairly straightforward geopolitical premise so that the critique becomes instead that #OscarsSoWhite are too dumb to sufficiently capitalize upon their target demographic of Asiaphiles and orientalists.
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Apr 3, 2017 03:25
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What the gently caress is that word salad.
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CharlestheHammer posted:What the gently caress is that word salad. Anime is the reason?
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CharlestheHammer posted:What the gently caress is that word salad. Anime fans are abusing progressive terminology to support their orientalist ideology. The 'anti-whitewashing' meme has little or nothing to do with socioeconomic justice.
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basic hitler posted:I think you're overstating the potential effect whitewashing controversies can have on general moviegoers. The only interesting thing about the movie so far has been the whitewashing controversy and that wasn't even all that interesting to most people. It feels like Paramount went "Welp, damned if you do, damned if you don't!" and just let it slide into cinemas without much fanfare.
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CharlestheHammer posted:It's a big white supremacist thing that Egyptians and Persians were white, which assumes that middle eastern people mudt of all come from Arabs or something. Middle Eastern people are white. Egyptians, Persians, Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, etc, etc. They're all white. 
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Byzantine posted:Middle Eastern people are white. Egyptians, Persians, Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, etc, etc. They're all white. They very pointedly are not. They vary in skin one like most people
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Byzantine posted:Middle Eastern people are white. Egyptians, Persians, Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, etc, etc. They're all white. n00b
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It's whites all the way down. I thought American white supremacists refer to themselves as "Europeans" these days, which is pretty amusing all on its own.
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raditts posted:It's whites all the way down. Well I mean that is basically what white is. Though even then it shows it's cracks. Turns out race is mostly a social construct! CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well I mean that is basically what white is. Though even then it shows it's cracks. It's just really funny since racists in the UK decided to make it very certain no one thought they were European
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Urdnot Fire posted:Funny enough, even Boss Baby is (loosely) based off of a picture book. *pulls up resumé* Adapted screenplay from award winning young adult novel
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Byzantine posted:Middle Eastern people are white. Egyptians, Persians, Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, etc, etc. They're all white. This is even better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBi87TU_Duw
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What the gently caress is this movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd60i3ZnLOE Seriously, watch the whole trailer. Every 30 seconds feel like they're from a completely different film.
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Snowman_McK posted:As a counterpoint, is there a film that had a whitewashing controversy that did really well? Off the top of my head, every one I can think of was a flop. Last Airbender, Gods of Egypt (though that was hardly the only issue) Prince of Persia and Exodus all did really poorly. Edge of Tomorrow/Live Die Repeat? I suppose having Cruise die repeatedly was a good selling point.
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Samovar posted:Edge of Tomorrow/Live Die Repeat? Personally, I don't think that's a case of whitewashing. The makers simply took a story which happened to be from another country as the basis for their film.
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It's difficult to discuss white washing because each individual example can be explained or justified. The issue is when looked at as a whole you can see that there is a glut of roles that could have been played by an actor of non-european decent but mysteriously they aren't. I like ScarJo. I think she did very well in Lucy, which feels like it shares parallels with GitS. I understand simultaneously that taking a Japanese franchise and casting a white actor is a problematic trend. These two angles exist in parallel. It is difficult for a movement that is mostly communicated in blogs to separate individual examples from a greater trend. This is exacerbated because each blog that does comment on it tries to me more outraged than the last for sweet sweet page count.
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FishBulb posted:It just proves forever that anime isn't popular or marketable on the bright side, this should stick the sixth and (god willing) final knife in the back of American Akira
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DC Murderverse posted:on the bright side, this should stick the sixth and (god willing) final knife in the back of American Akira I want live-action Cowboy Bebop to happen just to watch the people on both sides tear each other apart over however Faye Valentine winds up being portrayed.
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I think it's amazing that it struck a particular nerve with a property like Ghost in the Shell tho. A property that is all about fake bodies and appearances. And then the movie came out and it is revealed that the character is a kidnapped Japanese girl who was turned into a Western looking cyborg and brainwashed with a Western identity as an experiment. It reminds me of how people couldn't stop bitching about pictures of the Power Ranger suits when in the actual movie there is only a handful of shots of them being in the suit and not sitting in a Zord (at which point they have open helmets). I'm starting to think these movie studios are deliberately loving with us and they feed on our outrage to fuel future, underperforming movie properties.
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What's the thread consensus on Power Rangers anyway? Some of the reviews of seen say it's too moody and doesn't spend enough time being fun.
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