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It does and I think they want it to feel bad because it is very much an anti control deck. It's similar to dshift which once was the second most played deck in game, crushing all control decks while being crushed by aggro decks. Their philosophy is probably that this is perfectly fine because if aegis becomes super popular than people will run aggro decks to counter it, and when the ladder is full of aggro decks than people will run control decks to counter them, and then to counter control people will run aegis and dshift, etc etc etc
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Vanilla Mint Ice posted:
Post the deck. Anyways, I just finished my dailies, which included winning 3 shadowcraft games. So I just made a lovely aggro deck and won 2 games on the first turn. Now that's some value for my time!
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Vanilla Mint Ice posted:It does and I think they want it to feel bad because it is very much an anti control deck. It's similar to dshift which once was the second most played deck in game, crushing all control decks while being crushed by aggro decks. Their philosophy is probably that this is perfectly fine because if aegis becomes super popular than people will run aggro decks to counter it, and when the ladder is full of aggro decks than people will run control decks to counter them, and then to counter control people will run aegis and dshift, etc etc etc Yeah I can see that. I just feel like if your metagame is just a lot of decks that really crush each other and are crushed by other decks in turn, it can kind of reduce the element of player skill and decision making in the games themselves. I guess it's too early to say how that is going to shake out after this expansion though. I liked playing the combo decks in this game so I hope some of them continue to be viable.
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i've been playing bolt-roach since the expansion and that seems viable still as far as combo decks go. though I'll be honest in saying that it mire ore less rolls over to aggro shadow now thanks to the skeleton king.
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secret volcano lair posted:Yeah I can see that. I just feel like if your metagame is just a lot of decks that really crush each other and are crushed by other decks in turn, it can kind of reduce the element of player skill and decision making in the games themselves. And I think that is part of why they created aegis because dshift used to have like 70+ win rate vs control while having a <30 win rate vs aggro. Aegis while very favorable vs control is nowhere close to dshift's dominance and it also doesn't auto fold against aggro
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trucutru posted:Post the deck. https://twitter.com/para_chan_/status/848093300875591680 Decks poop tho, it loses too much 
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Just went 5-0 for the first time! Dragon's pretty stronk in T2 in the new meta, as it turns out.
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Vanilla Mint Ice posted:https://twitter.com/para_chan_/status/848093300875591680 What happened to good old deck-builder links?
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 I don't think I planned this out well enough. Maybe I need to add some Fortes in to get a bit of chip damage. edit:  I think I found my gimmick deck for the expansion. Everyone expects 13 face damage from a Zell+Bahamut combo, but nobody expects 21 damage from Zell+2x Wildfang+Angel Crusher combo. Pancakius fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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Pancakius posted:
How are you getting angel crusher to be cheap enough to play with Zell and 2x wildfangs?
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Yukari posted:How are you getting angel crusher to be cheap enough to play with Zell and 2x wildfangs? Wyvern Cavalier, presumably.
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It was better the other day when I was on 10 health against a 20 health haven who had just dropped and evolved their aegis, but it slipped off my replay list.
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Oh hey, the OP changed. Nice insight about legendary tiers, although I would switch Sibyl and Forte. Full wallet Dragon has no need of Forte anymore. They can just play Zell and give storm to Bahamut/Ouroboros/Israfil. Zell himself becomes 4/4 and can be used to get rid of a ward as well. Meanwhile Sibyl is a no brainer always play on 5/6 pp. Ramp, healing, huge body and full evolve stats. A card this good could be 7 play points and still be 3 of in every dragon deck. Meanwhile Grimnir, while not a legendary, it should be! 2/3 3 pp ward is amazing in control and the enhance effect is a solid board clear, 4 damage finisher. I see this stupid motherfucker in every deck in every class except Forest, probably because they got their own overstated 2/3 3 pp ward.
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yeah grimnir is gross even my deck has 2 of him anyways this is what I'm playing... https://tinyurl.com/lfvekuc Works pretty good but sometimes I get all 3 Azazels before drawing Baphomet which is hilarious and frustrating. I'd swap the Savage Hunt out for another Belphegor in a heartbeat.
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 Got him right where I want him. Apparently I was playing a Mill deck. Clarste fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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I have 3 melvies and was trying to figure put what I want to use them for. Mill sounds hilarious! What do we have for it other than melv and sammy..?
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Jimmy Hats posted:I have 3 melvies and was trying to figure put what I want to use them for. Mill sounds hilarious! Well, you can't really mill normally. It only worked there because the other guy played Satan.
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Clarste posted:Well, you can't really mill normally. It only worked there because the other guy played Satan. I might try running like a 60 card tempo deck and see if i can mill haha
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Lord Ephraim posted:Oh hey, the OP changed. Nice insight about legendary tiers, although I would switch Sibyl and Forte. Sibyl is definitely a toppest tier legendary but in terms of my reroll tiers, like Cerberus she will never be SS just because she is not an autoinclude in every single deck Also I threw up in my mouth yesterday; I went first and at the fourth turn I had 1/4ward and 4/4 on board, then on their turn with 7pp he plays Sibyl, evolves Zell and now he has a 4/3 and 4/1 on board with 2 evolves left, full health and 9pp in his next turn
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Honestly, I highly dislike cards like Grimnir and Lightning Blast, because to me it feels like they're extremely good against decks that are bad, and merely good against decks that are good. Rather than just empowering new decks, they also kick the decks who are already down, which just seems rude to me. Specifically, I feel like Nephthys, which wasn't a great deck in the first place, got a billion new counters that those classes didn't even especially need to be better than it anyway. I mean, Lightning Blast is a great board clear, but it's an even better board clear against Nephthys for almost no reason at all, utterly killing the deck in any control match-up. Why? Especially since Nep got 0 support in the rest of the expansion. Feels bad for them to just abandon decks like that.
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Give bloodcraft a banish. Neph is very rude to me sometimes (not really) But yeah ramp dragon is gotdang annoying and the main reason i am playing OTK right now
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Banish effects suck. I was really psyched to play Seraph when I first discovered the game but I can't justify the dust to craft 2nd and 3rd copies in a world with so much banish floating around.
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BGrifter posted:Banish effects suck. I was really psyched to play Seraph when I first discovered the game but I can't justify the dust to craft 2nd and 3rd copies in a world with so much banish floating around. I mean, there would be no counter for seraph if you can't banish it. Destroying it only makes it better! Banish effects are good in moderation, Odin is a decent example because he's so expensive and only hits 1 thing, and I also think that the cheap, narrowly focused ones (like blackened scripture) are good too. Lightning breath is banish gone too far.
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I do have to wonder when things will rotate out if ever, otherwise everything has to be designed with things like lightning blast, aegis, and the such in mind. (Already seen from Daria and Neph in a way)
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Yukari posted:I do have to wonder when things will rotate out if ever, otherwise everything has to be designed with things like lightning blast, aegis, and the such in mind. (Already seen from Daria and Neph in a way) quote:IGN: What’s the tipping point for Shadowverse to introduce formats? How many cards is too many? Obviously the more cards you have in the overall pool the less impact a new set will have. That's not much of an answer, but at least they're thinking about it.
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BGrifter posted:Banish effects suck. I was really psyched to play Seraph when I first discovered the game but I can't justify the dust to craft 2nd and 3rd copies in a world with so much banish floating around. There's a whole whoopin 3 cards outside of Havencraft that banish amulets, only one of them is available to all classes, one of them is Petrification, and the last one is Lightning Blast.
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There was a good six months of seraph meta. While the power creep in this game is epic (compare Eachtar to basically anything) I dont mind that strategies get rapidly obsoleted. Expect something to hose aegis in the next six months.
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I was more talking about how yesterday, I saw one of the streamers I watch regularly attempt to make a commandercraft deck, and when he got matched up against dragon was some of the saddest matches possible, because any amount of setup he did got instantly blown away by Bahamut and/or lightning blast. Also, how do you hose aegis without just killing them faster? It's literally immune to everything except attack/defense modifications, so it cannot be controlled or stopped.
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they can introduce more cards that affect attack and defense
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Awesome! posted:they can introduce more cards that affect attack and defense How would affecting aegis' defense accomplish anything at all? You can't deal any damage to it anyway. Printing Aldor Peacekeeper would hose it pretty hard, granted
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i assume if you change its defense to 0 it would die
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Print a neutral card that costs 10 that reads "deal 1 damage to an enemy follower and 1 damage to the enemy leader, repeat until the follower dies"
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Trip Report: Mill Melvie doesn't work
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Awesome! posted:i assume if you change its defense to 0 it would die Changing the maximum defense of a mon to zero is a roundabout way of doing damage to it. And the aegis can't be damaged. Like, there are like a billion redditors that are convinced that this interaction is totally different from damage (I have had fun discussions with them) but it is damage. Cygames really opened aspergora's box with the text on that card. Invulnerable or "cannot be removed from play" would have been better, IMO.
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trucutru posted:Changing the maximum defense of a mon to zero is a roundabout way of doing damage to it. And the aegis can't be damaged.
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Awesome! posted:but its defense can be changed. so by that definition it can be damaged Yeah, and if that contradicts the "can't be damaged" text one must think a bit and reach a conclusion. D&D rule-lawyering nerds will totally reach the wrong, convoluted one, because that's what they do.
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so what do you think would happen to a 0 health aegis? it just sits there with 0 health? thats possible i guess. i feel like it is the less likely outcome though.
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