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Chris James 2 posted:I'm a tremendous Reigns fan and I still think it takes incredible amount of balls to say "he has good matches" immediately after the worst Mania main event in at least a full decade Good point. Here's my Bray list, spent hours working on this: How to Repair Bray Wyatt: 1) You can't. Just lol because you can't.
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Chris James 2 posted:I'm a tremendous Reigns fan and I still think it takes incredible amount of balls to say "he has good matches" immediately after the worst Mania main event in at least a full decade i said "frequently." i didn't say they're all amazing. by that same logic i could say undertaker was a bad wrestler because the last match he was in wasn't good. Cardboard Box fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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Cardboard Box posted:the match he had with braun strowman that was way better than it had any right to be? the four and a half star match he had with kevin owens at royal rumble? those were both this year. i'm gonna have to rewatch the braun match because i dont remember anything other than braun losing
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Maybe Kane will come back tonight to avenge his brother and set Roman on fire.
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I really don't think Undertaker is done either. Vince is still going to do the poo poo and he's gonna need to put butts in seats for his big events. I think Cena vs Undertaker will happen and that'll be it. I just have this feeling Undertaker is one of those dudes who won't hang it up until somebody in the back pulls him aside and says, "Dude, you're done completely. You're going to kill yourself if you don't retire for good." Guys been doing this gig for a long time and with love--it's gotta be incredibly hard to quit.
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It's hard to take Roman serious as a badass when he hear boos and goes "HEY YOU DUMMY LOSER JERKS....GO BACK TO DRINKING YOUR BEER AND BE QUIET!" like a dork.
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SUN GOD AVATAR posted:Here's how you at the very least start repairing Roman and making him a little more appealing: Honestly I'd just get rid of his stupid rear end jackoff punch. It's as masturbatory as Vince.gif. As much as I find Roman boring, I do think he runs the ropes well and if he'd stop his stupid stalky bullshit- yeah, when he gets to moving at a pace that isn't a literal snail, there's some good points. I dunno what you're gonna do with that, though. Maybe a really fancy dropkick? Like I guess you could make him do a 619 sorta thing but I think he'd die doing it. Or his opponent would. Rip. E: Maybe some kinda crossbody thing? I actually want somebody to throw out some ideas because I sure don't know.
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SUN GOD AVATAR posted:I really don't think Undertaker is done either. Vince is still going to do the poo poo and he's gonna need to put butts in seats for his big events. Vince McMahon is going to lure him into a room filled with the tombstone reversal and the "last ride" spot plastered on hundreds of flat screens on repeat. He's going to lock him in there until he comes to his senses.
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Chris James 2 posted:I'm a tremendous Reigns fan and I still think it takes incredible amount of balls to say "he has good matches" immediately after the worst Mania main event in at least a full decade I don't want to be that guy. But that match's problems mostly weren't on Roman, Taker has been having bad Mania matches for a while now. .
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Chris James 2 posted:I'm a tremendous Reigns fan and I still think it takes incredible amount of balls to say "he has good matches" immediately after the worst Mania main event in at least a full decade Reigns now owns 2 of the 5 worst Mania main events of all time. poo poo, it might be 2 of the 3.
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People keep saying Taker was the cause for the problems and that's true but here's the thing: Roman should have covered for him. Roman's ONE JOB in that match was to make Taker look good and he ended up botching horribly twice and making an industry veteran look like dogshit. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if he has a little backstage heat from that.
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Dexo posted:I don't want to be that guy. But that match's problems mostly weren't on Roman, Taker has been having bad Mania matches for a while now. . roman did have a couple bad botches like when he tried to pick up undertaker up for a tombstone from a really weird position but to be fair to him undertaker is gigantic
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:On some level Kevin Nash did some of the same poo poo, but he had a personality, could do a few cool moves in the ring even in his older years, and was alright at making a crowd hate or love him as necessary. Plus he had a really drunken pal who did a good bit of talking for him. Ambrose got moved to Smackdown unfortunately.
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Dexo posted:I don't want to be that guy. But that match's problems mostly weren't on Roman, Taker has been having bad Mania matches for a while now. . I think it was everyone's fault (a bad match is never one person's fault, and a lot of blame should also go to whoever the gently caress decided that dumb tombstone reversal spot should happen). He's had two rough Mania main events in a row, regardless of how much fault he's at he shouldn't be absolved of any when he's the only common factor in both matches
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Memories from happier days...and even back then we bitched and moaned how banged up Taker looked. 
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GrimGypsy posted:There was no match that rose above "pretty good", which is pretty lovely for Wrestlemania. I'm actually having a hard time remembering the last excellent one-on-one no gimmick match at a Wrestlemania. You could argue DB/HHH or Punk/Undertaker, but neither were match of the year contenders as I recall. Taker/HBK? Something with Benoit or Angle in it? It's been awhile, in any case.
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Both Taker/HBK matches are solid contenders for greatest WWE match of all time. Again, Taker was old as gently caress and tired during his match with Bray and that was, while mediocre, much better than this. Vince wanted to prove that Roman could carry someone to a good match and it backfired badly.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:
They are not clever enough to pull off a meta "triple h is actually a loser" narrative. He really thinks he is THE ASSKICKER! and its funny and sad at the same time. Also he cant put a good Wrestlemania moment on his own: The Bryan match, The WM XX match and the Shao Kahn cosplay were totally on the other guys. DoctorGonzo fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 3, 2017 |
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Chinston Wurchill posted:I'm actually having a hard time remembering the last excellent one-on-one no gimmick match at a Wrestlemania. You could argue DB/HHH or Punk/Undertaker, but neither were match of the year contenders as I recall. Taker/HBK? Something with Benoit or Angle in it? It's been awhile, in any case. Bryan/HHH might very well be the best match of HHH's career. I'd absolutely classify that as an "excellent one-on-one no gimmick match."
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Chris James 2 posted:I think it was everyone's fault (a bad match is never one person's fault, and a lot of blame should also go to whoever the gently caress decided that dumb tombstone reversal spot should happen). He's had two rough Mania main events in a row, regardless of how much fault he's at he shouldn't be absolved of any when he's the only common factor in both matches i don't think anyone is absolving roman of all blame for a bad match he's in but the claims of him being a terrible irredeemably awful wrestler and it being the worst mania main event ever are honestly tremendously overblown.
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Dexo posted:I don't want to be that guy. But that match's problems mostly weren't on Roman, Taker has been having bad Mania matches for a while now. . everyone knew taker was a mess going into this, it was roman's job to carry him and he failed miserably okay i'm 10 minutes into this braun/roman match and it has literally been 100% braun. i'm watching braun wrestle one of those practice dummies
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Cardboard Box posted:i don't think anyone is absolving roman of all blame for a bad match he's in but the claims of him being a terrible irredeemably awful wrestler and it being the worst mania main event ever are honestly tremendously overblown. Reigns is a decent performer - though completely incapable of carrying a match with someone as limited as Taker was last night - and I don't think anyone could deny that he's improved tremendously as a worker over the past few years. That said, given the general importance of the match and its spot on the card, I don't see how anyone could argue that it's not one of the five worst Wrestlemania main events ever.
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Cardboard Box posted:i don't think anyone is absolving roman of all blame for a bad match he's in but the claims of him being a terrible irredeemably awful wrestler and it being the worst mania main event ever are honestly tremendously overblown. Well I'd agree there. Roman's not the worst guy in the world by a long shot, but he sure as hell shouldn't be main eventing Wrestlemania like he has been and he shouldn't be "the guy". I'm at Bray v Orton and based on crowd response alone I wish they'd push Bray to the moon.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Well I'd agree there. Roman's not the worst guy in the world by a long shot, but he sure as hell shouldn't be main eventing Wrestlemania like he has been and he shouldn't be "the guy". oh yeah i'm a roman defender but he definitely shouldn't be The Guy and he should have been turned heel about two years ago, but i don't blame him for it
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It's not that Roman had the worst Wrestlemania main event ever, it's just that literally all of the other ones were better than it.
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Cardboard Box posted:oh yeah i'm a roman defender but he definitely shouldn't be The Guy and he should have been turned heel about two years ago, but i don't blame him for it The only reason I really do is because of his poo poo attitude outside of the ring. Which may or may not be kayfabe, but given that it never even flickers I just assume he's not -the- guy, but -that- guy. Like, if he were a better dude I'd care a little less. I'd still boo him off the stage like everyone else will for all eternity, but I'd at least be willing to give him a little more wiggle room in my opinions in his matches. But if you're gonna be a smug little loving prick because you're related to a Wrestlefamily -and- suck in the ring, you can go straight to hell.
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The real kick in the balls is that they had an okay story going there with Bray's bizarre horseshit throwing Orton off enough that he was basically being squashed. Then...whoops, RKO, match over, none of it meant a thing
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Roman-HHH was totally not on Roman.
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Cardboard Box posted:the claims of him being a terrible irredeemably awful wrestler and it being the worst mania main event ever are honestly tremendously overblown. Agreed. I don't think I've seen anyone say that here though I've seen people say this was the worst Mania ever, which I disagree with, but not that it was the worst main event ever. That it was in a while, and imo yeah I agree. Last year had a better one, 30 and 31 had better ones, Rock/Cena 1+2 were good, Taker/Shawn was perfect, Miz/Cena was great till the concussion
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okay this is a center of the sun hot take but if the braun/roman match at fastlane is a good roman match its because braun carried him or someone replaced the match with something else on youtube. roman does nothing the whole match, i honestly think you can count the moves he does on two hands
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I've said it before. Roman is not bad in the ring. He is largely competent and can do what he needs to do. He is however only good at having one wwe style match. He has nothing special or unique about him. He isn't technical, he can't fly, he doesent really do power stuff. He just has basic wwe style matches. I don't think he has the ability to call stuff on the fly and I think that's part of the reason the match was so bad last night. The matches story wasn't there at all. I think the story was that Roman wasn't afraid of taker but I don't really know how that's an interesting story because Roman didn't really do anything to convey that last night other than doing his moves he always does.
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projecthalaxy posted:It's not that Roman had the worst Wrestlemania main event ever, it's just that literally all of the other ones were better than it. oh yeah hogan vs sid, bam bam bigelow vs lawrence taylor and miz vs cena totally blew it away
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Raskolnikov38 posted:braun carried him oh shut up
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Raskolnikov38 posted:okay this is a center of the sun hot take but if the braun/roman match at fastlane is a good roman match its because braun carried him or someone replaced the match with something else on youtube. roman does nothing the whole match, i honestly think you can count the moves he does on two hands See I thought that match sucked real bad. Neither one of them did much. And the poo poo they did was real sloppy or just didn't really make sense. The psychology in that match was awful. Braun goes to the top turnbuckle for some reason. Roman pretty much no sells going through the announcer table. That match sucked.
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Cardboard Box posted:oh shut up he does nothing during this match, its like watching braun wrestle a practice dummy that can walk. i'll watch owens/roman later but roman/braun is definitely not a good match
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Raskolnikov38 posted:he does nothing during this match, its like watching braun wrestle a practice dummy that can walk. i'll watch owens/roman later but roman/braun is definitely not a good match you're totally entitled to your opinion i guess. i liked it.
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I kept falling asleep throughout the main event matches. Caught all of Goldberg lesnar I think but then was catchin them zzzzs during the women's match and a lot of the taker reigns match because it was SO loving BORING.
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I wrote a haiku aboit the main event The cool spring wind blows. Giant Gonzalez had a better undertaker match than roman reigns. Giant Gonzalez. Come on. The dead man goes home.
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DeathChicken posted:The real kick in the balls is that they had an okay story going there with Bray's bizarre horseshit throwing Orton off enough that he was basically being squashed. Then...whoops, RKO, match over, none of it meant a thing I just watched it and I'm honestly alright with the ending. The RKO has been purported for exactly that purpose for the past 90,000 matches Orton's had. My dislike is the after match stomping and celebration where he's totally unaffected by anything. He should be jumpy. He should be unnerved. He should have grabbed the belt, tensely celebrated a little, then got the gently caress out of the weird spooky ring. Bray's spooky swamp magic doesn't need to stop just because he gets beat. I chuckled at the projections because those were good. That snake was incredible levels of bad and I think they meant for Randy to move faster down the ramp so it could slither faster after him. Instead, he just sort of plodded along so it clipped sadly along with him. If he'd gone down at a good run or a trot it'd have looked pretty alright.
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projecthalaxy posted:I wrote a haiku aboit the main event i think your meter is off
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