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McGlockenshire posted:Thank you, that's a great resource. I hadn't thought to look at RW, as it's still classified in my brain as a resource in fighting fundies only. How times have changed... The Vosgian Beast posted:I have my issues with some of it, but it's like one of the last few holdouts of old internet atheism that haven't gone super racist or intolerant, so it's nice to have that. it was a truly great skeptical site until those darned SJWs took over, uh, a few months after it started, now it's terrible "RATIONAL" wiki huh
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https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/584002274063687681 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/387400133039489025 NOTE: I checked back when that second tweet was more recent, and the page on Zizek was a stub that was un-opinionated by virtue of being a stub, and the Sokal page politely notes criticism of Sokal's Hoax that other people have brought up.
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Neon Noodle posted:Racism is like the worst mind-virus ever. It's so hard to eradicate. All of our human vulnerabilities play into it -- people look different, so that means there are categories of people. Plus in the U.S. we all grow up with a level of historical background radiation that makes racism seem like the reasonable default. It takes SO MUCH EDUCATION to counteract. It's just the loving common cold of memes. The main reason it's hard to eradicate is because it's a sensible explanation for the status quo. Without any alternate framework for why there is dramatic inequality, it stands to reason that it must be some inherent flaw in the downtrodden or inherent virtue in the privileged. There's a reason all these guys start off interested in "reason" and being "skeptical", another cohort comes from PUA and MGTOW stuff, etc. It's not that they don't notice this stuff, it's that for all their protesting, they fully believe in the dominant ideology of meritocracy, technocracy, and so forth.
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# ? Apr 3, 2017 18:44 |
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It's like how the reason libertarians don't bring up Nozick, despite him being by far one of the most respected figures to argue for libertarianism is that he thought the government should be allowed to step in if a basic quality of life isn't being maintained, there should be a massive estate tax to prevent an uber-rich aristocracy from developing, and before we implement the libertarian society we should do one massive redistribution of goods in order to fix the lovely start various groups have had(for instance, reparations for the descendants of slaves). He doesn't have appeal to libertarians who basically want the status quo, plus marijuana and minus any restrictions on corporations and taxes.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:It's like how the reason libertarians don't bring up Nozick, despite him being by far one of the most respected figures to argue for libertarianism is that he thought the government should be allowed to step in if a basic quality of life isn't being maintained, there should be a massive estate tax to prevent an uber-rich aristocracy from developing, and before we implement the libertarian society we should do one massive redistribution of goods in order to fix the lovely start various groups have had(for instance, reparations for the descendants of slaves). He doesn't have appeal to libertarians who basically want the status quo, plus marijuana and minus any restrictions on corporations and taxes. Most libertarians want to entrench social systems that support their privileged position or tear down social systems which challenge their privileged position. This is an apolitical stance and philosophy.
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divabot posted:edit: AHAHAAHA kirkegaard shows up personally and says IT'S ALL RATIONALWIKI'S FAULT drat, congrats.
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 01:34 |
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Can someone tell me more about this Big Yud guy? The linked song and Wiki make him sound like a kook but not a horrible racist kook which I thought this thread was mainly about.
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NikkolasKing posted:Can someone tell me more about this Big Yud guy? He's a kook who isn't NRx, but is beloved by a significant amount of them and he writes terrible Harry Potter fanfiction which will somehow save us all from being killed by future robots
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 02:05 |
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Neoreaction A Basilisk goes into how Yudkowsky's website served as a sort of Petri dish in which neoreaction partially evolved.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:He's a kook who isn't NRx, but is beloved by a significant amount of them and he writes terrible Harry Potter fanfiction which will somehow save us all from being killed by future robots Pope Guilty posted:Neoreaction A Basilisk goes into how Yudkowsky's website served as a sort of Petri dish in which neoreaction partially evolved. quote:So allow me to say with absolute explicitness: Eliezer Yudkowsky is not a neoreactionary. He repudiates the philosophy in explicit terms. He has shown no sympathy for and ative hostility to its most noxious beliefs. If I have ever suggested otherwise, I apologize profusely for the infelicity of writing, and if it is possible to edit the text in question I will do so.
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 02:23 |
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Big Yud isn't nRX, he's an AI crank with I think? broadly libertarian views appropriate to his social circle. He's adjacent to neoreaction proper (Land et. al.) because they walked up and stood next to him. He's not very happy about it. The alt-right more generally I don't believe he's very relevant to. Your average Pepe troll/MRA whiner doesn't give a drat. He's a big influence on contemporary 'rationalism' and 'post-rationalism' as a founding figure even if most of them disagree with some, most or all of his specific theses. That community has an overlap with the alt-right for various reasons (naive conception of open debate allowing disingenuous reactionaries to colonise spaces, right-wing theses attractive to naive 'smart' kids like the libertarianism of yesteryear, etc.). We talk about him here because of these connections and because the Less Wrong thread was shut down so there's nowhere else.
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Thank you for the replies everyone. But now I want to read this "Neoreaction A Basilisk" book. Where can I buy it?
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McGlockenshire posted:There's something about this that makes me hesitant to believe anything else he says. I came across Robert Lindsay's blog some years ago. He literally believes himself to be an anti-racist and a leftist, because, well, read for yourself. It's amazing how he can think of Trump and his supporters as racist and then write posts like [url="https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2016/12/06/racist-elitist-arrogant-indian-man-kanwal-rekhi-by-magneto/this[/url]. Or anything under this tag. Pretty refreshing coming back to this blog and reliving that same sense of utter cognitive dissonance I felt the first time. This has got to be the definition of doublethink. Like, check out this comment / testimonial: quote:The openmindedness of this blog in general and the comments policy is a sterling example of what the Left should be (and often is not): fraternal, no holds barred, unafraid to engage with anyone, democratic, intellectual, intelligent, and barring no-one from its debates on account of their politics alone. It deserves to be much more widely known within the blogging community worldwide. The political and intellectual culture of the community who debate here (with the exception of a few trolls and debate stoppers) is an example to all seeking an egalitarian alternative to capitalism, and a challenge to the boring and otiose official bourgeois media. Also, this picture of his really pisses me off:
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Dr. Tobias Fünke, Analrapist and Antiracist
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NikkolasKing posted:Thank you for the replies everyone. But now I want to read this "Neoreaction A Basilisk" book. Where can I buy it? So far it's only legally available to backers of the associated kickstarter. Sandifer is preparing a general release with some bonus essays (TERFs, gamergate, Austrian econ, lizard people) for later this year, I forget when.
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Fututor Magnus posted:I came across Robert Lindsay's blog some years ago. He literally believes himself to be an anti-racist and a leftist, because, well, read for yourself. Ambrose Bierce would have eaten this dude as a light snack. The presumption of claiming to channel him! That said, here is a delightful collection of Bierce's short stories. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3715/3715-h/3715-h.htm
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Peel posted:So far it's only legally available to backers of the associated kickstarter. Sandifer is preparing a general release with some bonus essays (TERFs, gamergate, Austrian econ, lizard people) for later this year, I forget when. Sounds like it's even better than the original. I'll definitely have to remember to get this.
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NikkolasKing posted:Thank you for the replies everyone. But now I want to read this "Neoreaction A Basilisk" book. Where can I buy it? *psst* there's one of the preview drafts up on libgen the final release will be SO WORTH IT. Three-paragraph footnotes and all.
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I'm still waiting for my colour version to crack it.
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https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/849050690181885955
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 17:42 |
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For some strange reason the majority of white wing gays seem to be wealthy white men who hate "mainstream" gays. I wonder why.
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 17:46 |
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closeted? I thought you willed yourself gay using wizard magic to prove a point
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# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:28 |
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Mainstream gays like commitment, and that's poison to the Conservatives. Same reason they wanted us to stay in the closet, you're much more vulnerable if you're invisible.
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ate all the Oreos posted:It's almost like dick dorkins is a bad scientist whose only respected by nerds because he panders to them and has an authoritative English accent that makes him sound smart to dumb Americans who have been culturally trained that English accents mean sophistication.
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Zoe Quinn has a book on Gamergate coming out in September!
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Improbable Lobster posted:For some strange reason the majority of white wing gays seem to be wealthy white men who hate "mainstream" gays. I wonder why. Sometimes they are sad failed artists. Jack Donovan used to be (not kidding here) Jack Malebranche, a LaVeyan Satanist who, again... not kidding, painted poo poo like Hitler on black velvet.
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# ? Apr 5, 2017 01:31 |
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A. Wyatt Mann was a LaVeyan Satanist too. The real danger of satanism is that it's a gateway drug to Ayn Rand
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divabot posted:Zoe Quinn has a book on Gamergate coming out in September! Looking good
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The Vosgian Beast posted:A. Wyatt Mann was a LaVeyan Satanist too. laveyan satanism is basically objectivism, the Church of Satanism or w/e owns because they're basically a political group that exists solely to troll people and point out how stupid religious objections are, citation that time they got a baphomet statue erected somewhere and then gay married some dudes in front of it
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:laveyan satanism is basically objectivism, the Church of Satanism or w/e owns Immediately contradicting yourself
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:laveyan satanism is basically objectivism, the Church of Satanism or w/e owns because they're basically a political group that exists solely to troll people and point out how stupid religious objections are, citation that time they got a baphomet statue erected somewhere and then gay married some dudes in front of it You're thinking of The Satanic Temple, who IIRC explicitly disavow LaVey.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Immediately contradicting yourself Different beasts with similar names and coincidentally similar primary deities. It happens.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The real danger of satanism is that it's a gateway drug to Ayn Rand Yeah, it's Objectivism + whimsical fashion choices. You know that John Galt and Howard Roark probably frowned at costuming. You should be noticed for the power of your of Manly Personal Will, not your jaunty facial hair.
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# ? Apr 5, 2017 19:09 |
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A LaVayan Satanist is just an Objectivist with warning colors to let you know any conversation with him will be toxic.
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# ? Apr 5, 2017 19:45 |
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When the comments on SSC itself aren't sufficiently terrible, there's always Reddit /r/slatestarcodex, including Scott Alexander as a regular! It's a sea of Dunning-Kruger, racism and frothing about the evils of SJWs, but of course they all self-identify as "leftists" of some variety hitherto unknown to political science. * A genetics grad student dares tell them that the horrible scientific racism and HBD bollocks on display makes him not want to show the site to other geneticists, and Kirkegaard in particular is a huge crank. The SSC commentariat know how to deal with this sort of mainstream academia argument from authority SJW bullshit, of course. Scott joins in on the side of his commenters, combating the opinions of mere geneticists on genetics with the opinions of psychiatrists. * An economics grad student sees this and desperately tries to get across what determined Dunning-Kruger it is even taking notice of Kirkegaard. Again the commentariat, including Scott aren't taking this SJW joined-up-thinking bullshit.
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divabot posted:When the comments on SSC itself aren't sufficiently terrible, there's always Reddit /r/slatestarcodex, including Scott Alexander as a regular! It's a sea of Dunning-Kruger, racism and frothing about the evils of SJWs, but of course they all self-identify as "leftists" of some variety hitherto unknown to political science. They know that right wing movements are associated with racism/sexism/fascism and, rather than have any introspection about this, they claim to be leftists to try and take the heat off. They think everyone just takes everything at face value like they do.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Immediately contradicting yourself Nah I meant the Satanic Temple. They rule.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Nah I meant the Satanic Temple. They rule. Yeah some people cleared up that confusion for me after I posted. I have nothing against the Satanic Temple. divabot posted:When the comments on SSC itself aren't sufficiently terrible, there's always Reddit /r/slatestarcodex, including Scott Alexander as a regular! It's a sea of Dunning-Kruger, racism and frothing about the evils of SJWs, but of course they all self-identify as "leftists" of some variety hitherto unknown to political science. Gotta prevent those progs from occupying freak spaces
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Was it this thread where someone was looking for anti-racism science? I believe I got this link from The Root: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qhW9j1dexPe2VJWr83ufZHaAlOiEGvaHe9ARUqmWNuA/edit It's just a link collection, but it's extensive and pretty well categorized.
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https://twitter.com/dubsteppenwolf/status/849677935871229953
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