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Lycus posted:Shepard trying to convince them to give up defending their homes so they could liberate his home and then getting sanctimoniously angry when they said "no" was really dumb. I never understood what made Earth so special for anyone apart from the humans. You'd think the aliens would be all "Oh the majority of the Reapers are there? Ok, blow up the mass effect relay again and toast them. Done." but instead they land and do a beaches of normandy ground assault only without even trenches.
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Mass Effect 2 and 3 had terrible terrible plots. Mass Effect 2 has amazing narration though, the presentation was wonderful
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2house2fly posted:She's not even really a space racist, since in the third game her sentiment of "they talk big about unity but when the chips are down it'll be every man for himself" was proven 100% correct Well, even ME2 refutes it. "Oh, yeah. the Reapers? Since you died, we've decided they don't exist because it's inconvenient."
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Apr 4, 2017 05:25
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DancingShade posted:I never understood what made Earth so special for anyone apart from the humans. And it's not like humans don't have a hundred colonies, so we're not looking at extinction or anything.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:29
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remember admiral "well you might have just wiped out a literal planet full of batarians while working with cerberus but i can keep the courts on hold until you're ready" hackett
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Apr 4, 2017 05:31
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Milky Moor posted:Well, even ME2 refutes it. That doesn't have anything to do with what Ashley thinks. EDIT: Well, actually, that's not quite true. It sort of does, but not in the way Ashley presents it. Shirkelton fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 05:32
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Lycus posted:And it's not like humans don't have a hundred colonies, so we're not looking at extinction or anything. Earth's population is hundreds or thousands of times bigger than most of those colonies though.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:38
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Earth's population is hundreds or thousands of times bigger than most of those colonies though. I'm pretty sure the rest of the galaxy with their own homeworlds is ok with this though. Blow up Earth to save their own homeworld and eliminate the Reaper threat? Or face down galactic extinction? Of course they'd do it. They should have been doing it already frankly. A good writer would have you choose to stop the doomsday scenario and risk galactic survival or to assist and be judged by the history of the off world survivors.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:39
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The only good human is a dead human.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:40
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One of my favorite Mass Effect moments is in ME2 where that drill sergeant is explaining to a bunch of rookies that you always wait for the computer to give you a firing solution before firing a mass accelerator because the projectile is going to keep going until it hits something regardless of whether or not that's your target or some unfortunate planet 10,000 years later I remembered this as I watched the combined fleets of the Milky Way wipe out half the Eastern Hemisphere in the ME3 finale
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Apr 4, 2017 05:41
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Lycus posted:And it's not like humans don't have a hundred colonies, so we're not looking at extinction or anything. Plus those tens of thousands of colonists they'd sent to Andromeda a couple of years before the Reapers arrived.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:42
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Need to be able to play non human options in the next mass effect but you just know we're going to be playing Custom_Ryder again. I mean you could recycle the human animations easily for the Asari but the Turians, etc would take a bit more work.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:43
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You should never play as an alien in a Mass Effect game.
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Apr 4, 2017 05:44
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Fojar38 posted:One of my favorite Mass Effect moments is in ME2 where that drill sergeant is explaining to a bunch of rookies that you always wait for the computer to give you a firing solution before firing a mass accelerator because the projectile is going to keep going until it hits something regardless of whether or not that's your target or some unfortunate planet 10,000 years later Oh Earth was proper hosed even before the Citadel exploded and wiped out the whole galaxy in a destructive energy wave. A whole combined fleet of missed shots each packing the force of several megatons slamming into a planet? Yeah that nuclear winter isn't going anywhere. Assuming the crust wasn't broken.
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Fojar38 posted:remember admiral "well you might have just wiped out a literal planet full of batarians while working with cerberus but i can keep the courts on hold until you're ready" hackett In retrospect, Admiral Hackett and Commander Shepard would be perfect fits for the current administration.
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DancingShade posted:Oh Earth was proper hosed even before the Citadel exploded and wiped out the whole galaxy in a destructive energy wave. Earth was being invaded by undead robots led by sentient starships and Africa + Middle East still somehow ended up getting the most screwed
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Dan Didio posted:That doesn't have anything to do with what Ashley thinks. Ashley's whole thing, her use of the dog metaphor, is exactly that, though? It is misinterpreted as being this thing about Ashley equating aliens to dogs and arguing that aliens should be sacrificed to the "bear" in place of humans. It's wrong, though. Ashley's point is that the people in charge - the dog owner in the analogy, but meaning anyone with power - will sacrifice their servants or people without power or people who simply aren't them first. It's very much about failing to deal with problems adequately as much as it is about people looking after their own. I want to say Ashley even says "You'd sic your dog on the bear and run for your life". The implication, of course, is that the dog will die but you will probably survive and the bear will still be out there, it just won't be eating you. Which is basically what the Council does. They sic Shepard on the Reaper-bear, Shepard dies, they continue ignoring it ("running away" from the problem). They prioritise the wants of their own people over the humans like Shepard, Anderson and co. who want to Do Something about the Reapers. Ashley presents it down racial lines because, at least in ME1, humanity was the dog but also because of her particular animosity stemming from Shanxi. It was the new thing on the block that had to prove its worth to the established people who were basically holding the leash and didn't seem to particularly like humans very much.
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Hey, so I noticed some people talking about how the Nexus is short one ark even after you find all three. I examined the little description of Ark Natanus and it explicitly said it was impossible to move the Ark, but that the turians inside would be recovered. This also comes up in the email you receive after the mission where Avitus is referred to as gathering crew for the pod recovery mission. It's actually something they did on purpose, I'm surprised too.
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Fojar38 posted:One of my favorite Mass Effect moments is in ME2 where that drill sergeant is explaining to a bunch of rookies that you always wait for the computer to give you a firing solution before firing a mass accelerator because the projectile is going to keep going until it hits something regardless of whether or not that's your target or some unfortunate planet 10,000 years later you're not supposed to post things i agree with
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DancingShade posted:I'm pretty sure the rest of the galaxy with their own homeworlds is ok with this though. Blow up Earth to save their own homeworld and eliminate the Reaper threat? Or face down galactic extinction? Of course they'd do it. The Reapers can move through dark space. Also that doesn't stop the Reapers overall, it just locks away most of them for x years ( which doesn't help much considering they couldn't even fight off the 2-3 Reapers attacking their homeworlds ). The real reason for the Earth Assault was to get to the Citadel so you could launch the whatever device. Most of the alliances throughout the game aren't "join our great assault!" it's "hey can you help the Earth fleets fight the Reapers near our homeworld, since we have the weakest military.". It only became LETS ALL ATTACK TOGETHER when the Citadel mysteriously activated and went to Earth right before? the point where you finished making the bomb thing.
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The relays exploding didn't wipe out the galaxy~
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Milky Moor posted:you're not supposed to post things i agree with Both Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect: Andromeda are good games
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lovely Wizard posted:I just finished my replay of Mass Effect 1 and started replaying 2. I'm actually doing the same thing right now and just finished up my ME1 playthrough. Dual Scram Rail High Explosive sniper rifle, baby. I find it kind of amazing that even with Anderson, Shepard's strongest supporter, put in place on the Council, the other reps decide to refute the Reaper claims and don't bother looking into the whole "our top of the line stealth frigate just got shanked along with our top operative". Also, a general question. I bought ME2 on disk. I never actually installed Origin on my computer before, but my BSN account was transferred over to Origin. Can I redeem my box version of ME2 on the Origin store so I can do digital downloads? EDIT: And lol, I just remembered one of the silliest things about ME2. The Collector Cruiser mission where you see just how many pods there are on the ship, and Garrus exclaims "They're going after Earth!". Yeah, sure Garrus, they're going to cram 12 billion people onto one Collector ship. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Also, a general question. I bought ME2 on disk. I never actually installed Origin on my computer before, but my BSN account was transferred over to Origin. Can I redeem my box version of ME2 on the Origin store so I can do digital downloads? Totally. I think you need the key code on the manual (I did it years ago).
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Rookersh posted:The Reapers can move through dark space. According to Arrival, destroying a relay eradicates everything in the star system.
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Rookersh posted:The Reapers can move through dark space. I was thinking more that blowing up the relay would actually blow up the reapers too since they'd be present when it happened unlike the preemptive blowing up you did in The Arrival.
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Milky Moor posted:Ashley's whole thing, her use of the dog metaphor, is exactly that, though? The situation that the Council ends up in at the start of Mass Effect 2 (it's worth nothing that they can be persuaded out of it almost immediately) is related to bureaucracy, not racial similarities. In a broader sense, the council is dismissive of non-council races and it ends in similar situations, even after humanity joins, but Ashley's point in Mass Effect 1 isn't that the Council has more power over humans and thus would sacrifice them, it's that any alien race wouldn't value any other human race as much as their own people. The game, and it's sequels doesn't condone this viewpoint and in fact goes out of it's way to show that it's ultimately fruitless and brutal every time someone does it. Splitting the narrative into 'humans want to act but THE ALIENS don't' is stupid because there's more aliens in the series that want to act before the Reapers arrive than there are humans, and those aliens want to do it by working with humans, even going as far to work with Cerberus. The council's disregard for races like the Quarians, Krogan, etc. is a similar thought process, but a separate issue deriving from political class, not race, which isn't something Ashley talks about in Mass Effect 1, except in disguised terms. To Ashley, every other race is a lower class inherently, and she thinks everyone who's different feels the same way to justify it. It's only when she sees that's not the case that she changes her mind. It's similar to Pressley. Andromeda mixes the two ideas a lot, in a bit more of a comprehensive manner, actually. Shirkelton fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Tiny Deer posted:Hey, so I noticed some people talking about how the Nexus is short one ark even after you find all three. Yeah, the derelict Turian Ark can be seen in the skybox of H-047c for the remainder of the game after completing that particular storyline.
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Heading into Mass Effect 2 I'm also reminded about how much Bioware fucks over first timers to the series by presenting non-save importing players the worst possible ending from ME1. Even Obsidian didn't do that when they made KOTOR 2; they actually let you decide the first KOTOR's outcome in a few dialogue choices with Atton. It just felt like punishing players for not playing the first game.
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They chose the outcomes that would be the easiest to digest to players new to the series. Obviously, those are the ones with the fewest returning characters.
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The option to choose would be nice. I know they finally did that around the time Mass Effect 3 came out, but for a few years it was really buggered. Just have an option to simulate a save, or have a premade save. EDIT: Goddamn the final act of Mass Effect 1 is good. Despite mediocre gunplay, the fight up the Citadel Tower with Sovereign's arms smashing around you is one hell of a setpiece. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Heading into Mass Effect 2 I'm also reminded about how much Bioware fucks over first timers to the series by presenting non-save importing players the worst possible ending from ME1. Even Obsidian didn't do that when they made KOTOR 2; they actually let you decide the first KOTOR's outcome in a few dialogue choices with Atton. It just felt like punishing players for not playing the first game. They made that interactive comic thing, I used it last time I played me2 and it was fine. Not sure when it came out though.
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Stranger Danger Ranger posted:They made that interactive comic thing, I used it last time I played me2 and it was fine. Not sure when it came out though. I think that came out when they released ME2 on PS3 cos they didn't port ME1 originally meaning that PS3 players would be stuck with Wreav.
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Stranger Danger Ranger posted:They made that interactive comic thing, I used it last time I played me2 and it was fine. Not sure when it came out though.
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Arcsquad12 posted:EDIT: Goddamn the final act of Mass Effect 1 is good. Despite mediocre gunplay, the fight up the Citadel Tower with Sovereign's arms smashing around you is one hell of a setpiece. Especially fun as an adept as everything flies off at the slightest nudge.
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Kimsemus posted:Am I the only one annoyed I can't customize my squadmates armor and weapons? I really, really miss being able to use my squadmates' powers. I'd want to be able to give my crewmates specific armor and weapons if there weren't a thousand different options with five tiers (so, not like it is right now) because that's how it was back in ME1 and it just wasn't fun. Ryder face chat: it's possible to make a Ryder that looks halfway decent with a minor bit of tinkering. I like the way mine came out.    A lot of time the lighting makes all the difference (also there's something really wrong with the way the Nexus is lit). I'm still having a lot of fun with this game. Already planning my second playthrough, possibly as Scott.
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cyclical posted:I really, really miss being able to use my squadmates' powers. I'd want to be able to give my crewmates specific armor and weapons if there weren't a thousand different options with five tiers (so, not like it is right now) because that's how it was back in ME1 and it just wasn't fun. Which head template did you start with? Also yeah the Nexus is almost like it's designed for DX8.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm actually doing the same thing right now and just finished up my ME1 playthrough. Dual Scram Rail High Explosive sniper rifle, baby. Also just a heads up, I'd edit in Legion to be available early because of how much of the stuff like Tali's loyalty mission (this is a good one) or random mission chatter is available for Legion. Moving him so much further into the game was a horrible decision, especially since they used him for a bunch of promo material. And yeah, the Council is just nonsense. I didn't expect them to make every single determinant choice have a huge impact on future games, but the end decision for 1 and the end decision for 2 should have had an actual impact instead of "we changed our minds even though your claims were backed up at every stage, and we should still listen to you on the off chance there's a second Sovereign out there even if we have doubts" for 1, and "cerberus got some human reaper parts even if you blew up the human reaper thanks shepard."
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lovely Wizard posted:Also just a heads up, I'd edit in Legion to be available early because of how much of the stuff like Tali's loyalty mission (this is a good one) or random mission chatter is available for Legion. Moving him so much further into the game was a horrible decision, especially since they used him for a bunch of promo material. How would I go about doing this without messing up the Derelict Reaper mission? I'm already going to mod in full Paragon and Renegade points. Seems pointless to not have every option available. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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DancingShade posted:Which head template did you start with? Also yeah the Nexus is almost like it's designed for DX8. I don't remember, sorry  I only remember I picked a template and did some very minor tweaking (hair/eyes) and it came out pretty good. Never did have the patience to tinker with the CC for longer than maybe ten minutes.
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