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^^^As per the new rule please post a dog ^^^ loving russian stooges in my french election. All of them.
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Apr 3, 2017 17:25
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That post was made before the rules were changed. As maddening as it is to see only a cat at the top of the page, where a beautiful fat dog should be instead, the post stands.
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Apr 3, 2017 17:29
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Crossposting this from the UKMT : Some fascinating Brexit negotiation polling quote:A Guardian/ICM poll suggests that at least two thirds of voters would oppose the UK paying an “exit bill” to the EU of £10bn or more. Voters would also oppose another compromise Theresa May may have to accept as part of the Brexit deal, giving the European court of justice continuing control over UK law during the transition period. (See 4.16pm.) I'm not sure how well this will end; the EU has been adamant (and will likely remain so) that the UK sticks to all the payments and contracts pledged and signed during the last EU multi-annual financial framework. The talk here in Brussels is that the exit bill will be around 60 billion euro, excluding some longer-term research financing etc. If the UK press goes all mental, and they will, over these sums, then things get very difficult off the bat. Same with the ECJ; all the agreements/contracts etc that the UK has signed up to previously for the current payment period stipulate that the ECJ is the final arbiter. I'm sure they can work out some kind of solution involving a mixed panel of ECJ and UK judges, but it will still involve drat FORIN JUDGES to some extent. It's not too unreasonable to suppose that your insane tabloids (along with half the Tory party) will go mental when they hear the numbers and the judges and if they're strong enough, it really will be WTO rules. However, crystall-ball gazing is quite difficult but this is the kind of stuff that will make the next two years fascinating, yet horrifying.
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Apr 3, 2017 18:02
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former hamon man here, deffo a melenchon boy now
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Apr 3, 2017 18:08
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Flowers For Algeria posted:gently caress all y'all naysayers, we've overtaken François Fillon and the next step is Marine Le Pen. No brakes on this train, can't stenchon the Mélenchon and all that. After last year my reply to literally every political prediction is "Sure, why the hell not?" So...sure, why the hell not?
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Apr 3, 2017 18:57
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Junior G-man posted:It's not too unreasonable to suppose that your insane tabloids (along with half the Tory party) will go mental when they hear the numbers and the judges and if they're strong enough, it really will be WTO rules. Let them go by WTO rules  Also, if they don't want to pay, then the British institutions that have received EU money should refund it. I think I'd like that.
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Apr 3, 2017 19:06
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SIXTH REPUBLCI HERE WE COME NATO MORE LIKE NEATO
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Apr 3, 2017 19:32
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Pissflaps posted:What's more clear than 98%? 99%
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Apr 3, 2017 19:49
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I'd suspect foul play should a vote return 99%. 98% is the sweet spot.
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Apr 3, 2017 19:55
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Cat Mattress posted:Let them go by WTO rules In addition to that they should simply void all pension claims from British EU civil servants.
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Apr 3, 2017 19:58
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Pissflaps posted:I'd suspect foul play should a vote return 99%. 98% is the sweet spot. Any vote returning less than 101% is amateur hour imo. GaussianCopula posted:In addition to that they should simply void all pension claims from British EU civil servants. Seize British holdings, and if that doesn't cut it, seize holdings of British nationals.
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Apr 3, 2017 20:04
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Orange Devil posted:Any vote returning less than 101% is amateur hour imo. If that doesn't cut it, seize British nationals. Preferably royal ones.
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Apr 3, 2017 20:09
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I was in Gibraltar 2 years ago and it's a bit of a shithole. €30* per person for a tour of a rock? But the weather is nice, they have chips and monkeys, and you can see Africa from there so not so bad. I am 50/50 on firing nukes against Madrid. *£30 pounds. Although they're almost worth the same now so whatevs Steamed Hams fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 01:37
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Junior G-man posted:If the UK press goes all mental, and they will, over these sums, then things get very difficult off the bat. How dare you suggest the British press would offer anything other than fair and reasonable analysis or issues relating to Brexit.  Oh
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Apr 4, 2017 01:47
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Lobster God posted:How dare you suggest the British press would offer anything other than fair and reasonable analysis or issues relating to Brexit. Hahaha, this one is even better. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3247781/three-out-of-four-spaniards-would-refuse-to-fight-british-over-gibraltar/ quote:And a poll in a Spanish left-leaning publication revealed few in Spain have the stomach for a battle against Our Boys. Yeah, only the english would be dumb enough to consider dying for that piece of poo poo rock. Especially when Spain's "nuclear option" isn't to roll tanks over the border but rather close the border and push the huge red button labeled "Continental Blockade" (well, WTO rules for the UK which would be crushing all by itself). MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 02:56
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I'm sure the party of "give us the exocet codes or we nuke Buenos Aires" is the sane one here (also modern day Gibraltar is utterly hosed without easy access to Linea)
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Apr 4, 2017 03:06
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Would they even have enough water sources if Spain closed the tap?
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Apr 4, 2017 03:30
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Don't be so quick to dismiss, the English have a long history of claiming possession of bars and clubs by sheer virtue of being there. There's no reason this couldn't work on a national scale, where half of Spain gets up and leaves because they're sick to death of listening to these miserable gobshites
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Apr 4, 2017 08:12
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:Don't be so quick to dismiss, the English have a long history of claiming possession of bars and clubs by sheer virtue of being there. There's no reason this couldn't work on a national scale, where half of Spain gets up and leaves because they're sick to death of listening to these miserable gobshites I think the solution for all problems is a simple land swap - we give them all the lovely Greek islands next to Turkey and and Lampedusa, so they can rebuilt the Empire, and only take Gibraltar and Northern Ireland to have pretty borders. Win-win.
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Apr 4, 2017 08:45
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Lobster God posted:How dare you suggest the British press would offer anything other than fair and reasonable analysis or issues relating to Brexit. I'm the free "Hands off our rock. Nuestra Roca no se toca" poster. (Does the Sun often give free propaganda posters? Do they take it to the next level and sell vintage "GOTCHA!" posters?) AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 09:49
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Hey JuniorGman, since you have an ear to the ground in BXL, what would online publications/blogs have the most influence over there, other than the FT? I'm not asking what you think carries the most accurate analyses, I'm asking which ones are popular amongst the european bureaucracy and the orbiting pressure groups.
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Apr 4, 2017 09:55
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MeLKoR posted:Would they even have enough water sources if Spain closed the tap? The British government, probably: "Silly Europeans, there's the whole Mediterranean on the beach of Gibraltar for water. No wonder we left you, silly sods."
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Apr 4, 2017 09:57
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forkboy84 posted:The British government, probably: "Silly Europeans, there's the whole Mediterranean on the beach of Gibraltar for water. No wonder we left you, silly sods." e: on looking it up, apparently that investment would be unnecessary since it already gets the overwhelming majority of its potable water through desalination. e2: vvv surprised that politico is considered so influential, and that English sources are seemingly so dominant. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 09:59
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double nine posted:Hey JuniorGman, since you have an ear to the ground in BXL, what would online publications/blogs have the most influence over there, other than the FT? I'm not asking what you think carries the most accurate analyses, I'm asking which ones are popular amongst the european bureaucracy and the orbiting pressure groups. In order of popularity (I have some slides on this for some reason): 1. Politico 2. BBC 3. Euractiv 4. Financial Times 5. Economist
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Apr 4, 2017 09:59
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Not bad numbers for JLM in this poll. Ripe for a last minute surge in undecideds breaking for him if he's within striking distance.
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Apr 4, 2017 10:20
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27% of French electors think loving Fillion has presidential stature?! As much as Macron?! 
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Apr 4, 2017 10:28
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LMAO, only 10% of France thinks that Macron is capable of understanding the daily lives of most French people, but is also the most presidential. There's a bunch of degenerate Louis XVI descendants hanging around if what France really wants is a distant, imperial presidency that has no connection with them but will also have the power to create whole scale change of society. Junior G-man fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 10:33
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I Love Annie May posted:27% of French electors think loving Fillion has presidential stature?! As much as Macron?! well he is an old white man, if you look at the previous presidents, this seems to fit the bill
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Apr 4, 2017 10:37
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It really is a good poll for Melenchon. He won "understanding the people" and "honesty" by a mile, and a decent 2nd in "capable of reforming the country" and "reassuring the French" and came bottom (therefore best) in "most worrying". So the worst result for him was only coming 3rd in the presidential beauty contest. I could easily see us going into the first round with JLM 21% Macron 25% and Le Pen 26% in the polls and the result ending up like JLM 24.5% Macron 23.5% Le Pen 26% or something due to how undecideds break. I would also expect to see Fillon going in with about 18% in the polls but actually getting like 20% as right wing waverers who can't stomach Macron or Le Pen go back to him.
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Apr 4, 2017 10:45
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Or it'll be JLM 23%, Macron 24.5% and Le Pen 26%. After which it'll be Macron all day every day, and everybody will forget that almost a quarter of the French electorate wanted a more socialist alternative, and you get Thatcher lite because "otherwise Le Pen" and things continue to get worse. Because hope is a lie.
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Apr 4, 2017 10:47
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lmao at the 6% who call Fillon the most honest of all candidates.
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Apr 4, 2017 10:50
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Flowers For Algeria posted:lmao at the 6% who call Fillon the most honest of all candidates. bless their heart
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Apr 4, 2017 10:58
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If Hamon dropped out and supported Melenchon would he go to the 2nd round for sure?
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Apr 4, 2017 10:59
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LemonDrizzle posted:I mean, unironically this if the UK was determined to hold on to the place in the face of a closed border and so decided to invest in desalination plants. Apparently to save on potable water they use salt water for non-potable needs like flushing toilets, so houses have two separate water supply lines.
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Apr 4, 2017 11:08
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If Melenchon wins it will be Pretty Funny, but I doubt it.
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Apr 4, 2017 11:13
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jBrereton posted:If Melenchon wins it will be Pretty Funny, but I doubt it. It would own so hard you mean?
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Apr 4, 2017 11:21
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him beating fillon would be pretty funny, him beating le pen would be pretty great, him beating macron would be amazing
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Apr 4, 2017 11:29
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Unless he has an hour-zero plan to end the free movement of capital across Europe (fundamentally unlikely if appealing), I can only imagine the levels of capital flight from a JLM win.
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Apr 4, 2017 11:32
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The free movement of capital is something that needs to end, forever.
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