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Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

I'm not seeking your credit. Also the pert boycott sounds like the headline to your mother's page three debut.

For a guy who constantly complains when people make things personal, you were quick to make things personal there.

E: on this day, persona 5 was released in the uk

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# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:51

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 00:37

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Namtab posted:

For a guy who constantly complains when people make things personal, you were quick to make things personal there.

E: on this day, persona 5 was released in the uk

You need to edit a dog into your post.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:55

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

I prefer cats, like the one in hype new game persona 5

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:56

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Do we know yet how Brexit will affect our imports of filthy foreign animes?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:56

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Is it tonight we find out if Jeremy can save Ken from being dumped out of the Labour Party ?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 18:57

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Zephro posted:

Do we know yet how Brexit will affect our imports of filthy foreign animes?

WTO tarrifs

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:00

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

there are enough nonces in the UK to produce british Anime I would have thought

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:03

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

TinTower, please explain how you can be in the party responsible for this, thanks in advance

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/849264937289515008

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:08

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk3xVkOQL0Y

egg he said egg

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:10

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

That's really bad anyway but the use of "egg-rieved" puts it into crimes against humanity territory.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:16

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

forkboy84 posted:

TinTower, please explain how you can be in the party responsible for this, thanks in advance

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/849264937289515008

I'm going to join the liberals

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:16

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

Namtab posted:

WTO tarrifs

WTO banime

# ? Apr 4, 2017 19:54

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Pissflaps posted:

Is it tonight we find out if Jeremy can save Ken from being dumped out of the Labour Party ?

Sadly Ken "every second word I say is Hitler or Jew" Livingston is still a member of the Labour Party, just suspended for 12 months, on top of the 11 months he's already been suspended for

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:24

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

forkboy84 posted:

Sadly Ken "every second word I say is Hitler or Jew" Livingston is still a member of the Labour Party, just suspended for 12 months, on top of the 11 months he's already been suspended for

Good work Jeremy.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:28

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

forkboy84 posted:

TinTower, please explain how you can be in the party responsible for this, thanks in advance

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/849264937289515008

We had Conference during piggate; this is nothing compared to the porcine puns that got transmitted on BBC Parliament. :colbert:

e: In all seriousness, this is good press game; even getting people groaning at poo poo jokes gets people to notice you. Compare to Labour's statement:

https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/849246186502574080

Which only gets people to say "oh, for gently caress's sake". Again.

TinTower fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Apr 4, 2017

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:29

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Re: Ken Livingstone

Ken posted:

Earlier in the day, the veteran left-winger said he expected to be expelled by the national constitutional committee.

After learning his fate, he told Sky News: "As I am not seeking to return to parliament or standing in local councils it doesn't make a great deal of change."

So he's treating this as if he got off.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:39

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Will Labour's new pro-Hitler strategy be enough to stave off losses in May's council elections?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 20:57

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

TinTower posted:

Re: Ken Livingstone

So he's treating this as if he got off.

It doesn't seem very hard for Ken to just never say "Hitler", "Nazi", "National Socialists", or "the Third Reich" in public for the rest of his life. But no, that would involve self-awareness and clearly that's in short supply.

As it goes I suspect he won't learn, and because he adores the spotlight he'll continue to get plenty of opportunities to compare Israel to the Third Reich. What a stupid tosser. It's not even a good comparison, Apartheid South Africa works far better.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:02

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Palestine is a big ghetto like what the Nazis had in Warsaw and that

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:10

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Part of me despairs that suspending Livingstone means this whole debacle will come up again in a year's time.

On the other hand, expelling him would have resulting in him taking the party to court.

Ugh. Why does he have to have Hitler-tourettes?

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:15

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He just feels like the point he was making was distorted and misunderstood, so he's gonna keep bringing it up and arguing until he clears his name. It's hitlers all the way down unfortunately

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:20

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

https://twitter.com/hrtbps/status/849353769557127168

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:24

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

serious gaylord posted:

https://twitter.com/hrtbps/status/849353769557127168

One tweet about Corbyn blaming the media for Labour's poor performance, and two tweets from the media focusing on Ken Livingstone rather than the launch of Labour's local election campaign. Nice.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:30

Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

baka kaba posted:

He just feels like the point he was making was distorted and misunderstood, so he's gonna keep bringing it up and arguing until he clears his name. It's hitlers all the way down unfortunately

Also, due to proper poo poo timing, his lovely Hitler story gets front page BBC coverage while Corbyn's launch of the local election campaign is relegated to the fourth story on the Politics subsection. :argh:

(^^ Heh, beaten!)

Here is the speech from the launch if anyone is interested:

quote:

Labour depends on all its members to deliver our message of investment and social justice in every community across Britain.

Over a quarter of a million more people joined Labour over the past eighteen months they saw Labour has broken with the failed politics of the past and that they could be part of a new project for real change: bold, confident and, yes, angry too.

Because who wouldn�t be angry?

When they see people lying on trolleys in hospital corridors?

When they see more and more people homeless on the streets?

When they hear about a high street chain trying to pay young people in leftover food?

When huge numbers of Sure Start centres have closed under the Tories?

Or when class sizes are rising � as the Tories divert funds to grammar schools for a privileged few?

And when social care for the elderly and disabled is in crisis � while the super-rich and big business get tax giveaways worth �73 billion?

How can you not be angry and demand major change when life expectancy projections have fallen in Britain for pensioners? We are a rich country, the sixth richest in the world. We are not at war, there is no epidemic sweeping our land.

But, whether the Conservative Party chair can face the facts or not, life expectancy has actually fallen - by a year for 65-year-old women and 6 months for 65-year-old men - since 2013.

The truth is that the Tories are running our country down.

Home ownership, opportunities for our children, wages and conditions at work, the NHS, care for our elderly, and now, life expectancy: they�re all going backwards, run down by a Conservative government that looks after those at the top and manages decline for the rest of us.

Britain is a wealthy country but you wouldn�t know it from the way people are held back in their everyday lives � from making a home for themselves and their families, building a career, pursuing their interests and ambitions.

Local councils have made a huge difference to people�s lives � providing libraries and leisure centres, schools, building houses, making sure the elderly have the support they need.

But since 2010 councils have seen their funding cut by 40%.

Over ninety percent of councils are putting up council tax this year to try to compensate for the huge cuts in the grant they get from government.

Meanwhile police budgets are cut, social care budgets are cut, schools budgets are cut, Sure Start centres are closed, libraries are closed , houses aren�t built.

Whole communities are being held back and jobs, services and hope destroyed. But it doesn�t have to be like this.

Labour is standing up for you. In Westminster and in every community across the country.

Labour councils are making a difference across the country. Stepping up where the Government fails to act.

Faced with the growing housing crisis, Birmingham Council is delivering 30% of all new homes in the city. And Lancashire County Council has formed a joint venture to buy 800 affordable homes for sale and social rent.

Faced with the crisis in social care 15 Labour councils have signed up to the Ethical Care Charter for minimum standards of safety, quality and dignity of care and improve pay and training for care workers. I signed it myself last week in Blyth.

Faced with so many people struggling to make ends meet Liverpool council is setting up a not-for-profit energy company - �the Liverpool LECCy� - to sell gas and electricity at a lower cost, building on what�s been done down the road in Nottingham with Robin Hood Energy. And just west of here in Derbyshire the Labour Council�s Welfare Rights Service has helped local people claim �18 million in benefits they otherwise would have lost.

Faced with the Government�s failure to invest in our economy the �Nottinghamshire Economic Development Capital Fund� has lent �3.5 million to help more than 30 businesses secure good jobs in Nottinghamshire. And in Northumberland, the council-owned Arch property business generates jobs and homes, as well as a return of nearly �5m a year that supports council services like schools, roads and social care. I was really pleased to visit their Blyth Workspace site last week which offer huge opportunities.

Faced with an epidemic of low pay 89 Labour councils have delivered the real Living Wage for council employees and contractors to ensure better wages for local people. I�m particularly proud that my own borough led the way on that.

These are just a few examples of how Labour councils are standing up for you and why you need Labour to be in power in towns, counties and city regions as well as Westminster.

The Conservatives justify tax cuts for the richest and big business by saying they will lead to an increase in investment. But in fact investment has fallen, leaving us with antiquated infrastructure and uncompetitive industries.

The future of our country cannot be left to the free market and the whims of the wealthy.

That is why Labour will set up a national investment bank and regional development banks � including our �Bank of the North� - to help unlock �500 billion to fund major capital projects and finance growth.

Our plan will use public investment to build up new investment by the private sector. It means creating hundreds of thousands of good quality jobs in manufacturing and in green and other cutting-edge industries of the future.

As every successful business knows, there�s nothing reckless about borrowing to invest quite the opposite.

Investment in infrastructure, skills, broadband and high speed rail generates growth and tax revenues. It more than pays for itself. This is just what the Welsh Government is doing with the launch of the Welsh Development Bank, which draws on 20 years of Labour experience in power.

At this crucial time we need to look to the future and ask ourselves what sort of country we want Britain to be.

Theresa May�s Government is trying to use Brexit to turn Britain into a low-wage tax haven for big business.

We are offering a real alternative that reflects the priorities of the majority of our people to rebuild and transform Britain so that no one and no community is left behind.

Instead of a country run for the rich, we want to see one in which all of us can lead richer lives.

A Labour Government will end the rip-off on the railways and bring them into public ownership.

Labour will overturn the Government�s ban on council-owned bus companies as part of a plan to put the public back into buses.

We�ll stop the corporate tax cuts and make sure the tax dodgers pay their fair share.

We�ll invest in our children�s education and skills for our workers.

We�ll give six million people a pay rise by introducing a real living wage of at least �10 an hour.

We�ll reinstate nurses� bursaries and give more people the chance to train to be nurses, so that the sick get the care they need.

We�ll invest in housing, building the homes our country needs, creating thousands of good construction jobs and apprenticeships and allowing councils to borrow to build council housing.

Together we can create a Britain where each of us can lead richer lives investing in a better Britain, creating educational opportunity for all, guaranteeing the health and social care services you need, providing safer neighbourhoods and building homes people can afford.

In the coming weeks of this campaign Labour will be setting out more of our policies to show how Labour will stand up for you.

This election is your chance to send a message to the Tories: that you won�t accept our NHS in crisis, your children�s future betrayed, a deepening housing crisis, damaging cuts to the police and insecure jobs that don�t make ends meet.

It doesn�t have to be like this. Things can and they will change.

So use your vote for Labour on 4th May.

They (the BBC) also don't call the government out for their poo poo response to the decrease in life expectancy for the elderly:

quote:

However, Number 10 rejected Mr Corbyn's claims and pointed to figures published by the Office of National Statistics, which suggest that life expectancy at age 65 years increased between 1991/1993 and 2012/2014, with the increase greater in England than in Wales.

Conservative Party Chairman Patrick McLoughlin MP said: "Labour can't even get their basic facts right - there's no way they would run your council or our country properly. They are out of touch, divided and would leave ordinary working people worse off with their incompetence.

This is given equal weight to Corbyn's much more recent figures, and the reader's attention isn't drawn to the fact there's nothing contradictary between life expectancies falling from 2013 - 2016, while still rising from 1993 - 2014.

Prince John fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 4, 2017

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:30

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

It's not as if Labour could've returned a decision on any other day than the launch of Labour's local election campaign.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:35

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

jabby posted:

One tweet about Corbyn blaming the media for Labour's poor performance, and two tweets from the media focusing on Ken Livingstone rather than the launch of Labour's local election campaign. Nice.

It's labour's fault that the media are focussing on Hitler.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 21:58

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

serious gaylord posted:

https://twitter.com/hrtbps/status/849353769557127168

I've seen people quoting that Corbyn rant as some tremendous masterstroke by Corbyn. I've not watched myself and have no intentions to as it just sounds a bit embarrassing, but it seems like one of these things that appeals to the base while being completely off-putting to normal human beings. Which seems about all that Corbyn and his team are capable of.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:01

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Pissflaps posted:

It's labour's fault that the media are focussing on Hitler.

Maybe he shouldn't have done all those murders and invasions if he didn't want the media to focus on him.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:01

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Given that I think journalists are pretty lovely people and that their jobs are fundamentally hostile to the functioning of democracy, a politician that dislikes them is certainly a vote winner for me.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:06

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

forkboy84 posted:

I've seen people quoting that Corbyn rant as some tremendous masterstroke by Corbyn. I've not watched myself and have no intentions to as it just sounds a bit embarrassing, but it seems like one of these things that appeals to the base while being completely off-putting to normal human beings. Which seems about all that Corbyn and his team are capable of.

Quite.

Scheduling the launch of the campaign to be on the same day that Ken Livingstone was going to get suspended again seems equally inept.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:08

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Guavanaut posted:

Maybe he shouldn't have done all those murders and invasions if he didn't want the media to focus on him.

Maybe he shouldn't have scheduled his campaign launch to coincide with his own party's Nuremberg trial he's a loving idiot.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:09

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# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:10

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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MikeCrotch posted:

I'm not a huge Dan Carlin/Hardcore History fan but this episode about the Anabaptist takeover of Muenster in the 16th century is a good fit for his style due to the sheer level of involved

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x79MW1gWtJ8

Thanks, that was interesting (and long) and reminded me of some of the difficulties of establishing temporary autonomous zones/anarchist communes wrt charismatic nutjobs vs. some of the things that always happen in hierarchical structured societies.

e:

OwlFancier posted:

Given that I think journalists are pretty lovely people and that their jobs are fundamentally hostile to the functioning of democracy, a politician that dislikes them is certainly a vote winner for me.

Journalists are supposed to hold the powerful to account, investigate the facts in a public arena, and defend the unpopular against the dogmatic.

They're good when they do that. They're bad when they go for sensationalism, muckraking, or being Richard Littlejohn.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Apr 4, 2017

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:11

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

OwlFancier posted:

Given that I think journalists are pretty lovely people and that their jobs are fundamentally hostile to the functioning of democracy, a politician that dislikes them is certainly a vote winner for me.

Sure, I like it too, but the reality is that people only like politicians to get shouty at PMQs. Which is dumb, but is the world we live in.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:14

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JFairfax posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk3xVkOQL0Y

egg he said egg

What was this guy's problem?

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# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:15

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forkboy84 posted:

Sure, I like it too, but the reality is that people only like politicians to get shouty at PMQs. Which is dumb, but is the world we live in.

The world we live in is poo poo imo, and we should demand better.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:16

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

forkboy84 posted:

Sure, I like it too, but the reality is that people only like politicians to get shouty at PMQs. Which is dumb, but is the world we live in.

The world we live in suggests people would like concentration camps as long as we stuck a british flag on the sign. I don't set the greatest store by it.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:19

EmptyVessel: Oct 30, 2012

TomViolence posted:

The world we live in is poo poo imo, and we should demand better.

Proposal to start a Campaign for Real National Journalism
- the acronym CaRNaJ is a clue to how I suggest we deal with failed journos (and their friends).

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:28

Prince John: Jun 20, 2006; Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

forkboy84 posted:

I've seen people quoting that Corbyn rant as some tremendous masterstroke by Corbyn. I've not watched myself and have no intentions to as it just sounds a bit embarrassing, but it seems like one of these things that appeals to the base while being completely off-putting to normal human beings. Which seems about all that Corbyn and his team are capable of.

I watched it, so you didn't have to, it's only a minute long. They've only posted a heavily edited clip sadly, presumably to leave out all the bits where he's not angry, but I gather it's been a long series of questions about his leadership, and not the campaign he's trying to launch, so he was getting frustred.

quote:

Reporter Paul Brand asked him, as he�s so worried about what the Tories are doing to Britain, if it wouldn�t be a good idea to step aside and let someone take over who has a better chance of winning.

�You�re obsessed with this question if I may say so, absolutely obsessed with it.

�We have a very strong opposition in this country, if you bothered to report what we are doing. If you bothered to report what Jon Ashworth was doing with the Health Service. If you bothered to report what Angela Rayner is doing and saying on Schools. If you bothered to report what the Labour Party was actually saying.

�It�s your responsibility to make sure that the opposition voice is heard as well as the government�s voice. It�s your failings.�

<Another question from ITV person about whether Corbyn is fed up with it>

"The heart of your question is that you haven't got a question, other than that [one]. Let me tell you what this election is all about. Housing, education and social care. Serious and crucial issues. Labour in local government has done a great deal to deliver good services for many people in this country. "

I wouldn't say it was anything particularly designed to appeal to the base - just someone very frustrated that none of the media are allowing him to talk about their campaign launch and all insist on focusing on him. A lot of headlines about not very much I think.

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OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

He's right.

# ? Apr 4, 2017 22:42

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